First Cycle: Before, After, Progression Pics.

[lovbyts]

I think the OP should heed the advice of some of the more experienced people here, so don't get me wrong regarding that part - but please, cut the kid some slack! He does not look that bad, and to say he looks like he only started training 2 days ago, or that he has never trained is insulting, and a bit exaggerated IMO.

I think his body looks similar to mine, and while I am very aware i'm light years away from looking like a bodybuilder and/or having a nice physique, i'd like to think that I look like i've at least seen the inside of a gym as compared to a 'regular' guy. I can personally say that I do train my ass off and put ALOT into this; our bodies don't all respond in the same way, and I think I should look better by now too but it is what it is. I did not diet properly for my 1st year of training but found very useful info on this board and have made progress since changing things up.

OP, sorry for the hijack, didn't mean to make this about me. IMO you do not look like somebody who has never trained. Do you have ALOT more to go? Absolutely. Can/should it be done naturally? Yes, IMO (and obviously the popular opinion here).

Whatever you decide, good luck and keep us posted as to your progress.

If that is you in the AV you already have more size/base than the OP. Sounds like you have the right mindset. To bad the OP doesnt and just ignores the objective post. Keep up the good work.

[Injected21]

i want to switch up my routine bi-weekly or so to keep my muscles guessing, though.

Day 1

Bicep Workout: Your biceps workout should consist of exercises such as,

* Bicep Curls with a barbell, dumbbells and machine.
* Bicep Concentration
* Preacher Curls with barbell and dumbbells.
* Incline Dumbbell Curls
* Hammer Curls

Day 2

Triceps Workout: Triceps can be developed with the help of exercises like,

* Triceps Dumbbell Extensions
* Lying Barbell Extensions
* Triceps Presses
* Double Bar Triceps Dips

Day 3

Chest Workout: For the growth and development of chest muscles, here are some exercises which will prove useful.

* Bench Press
* Peck Deck Flies
* Dumbbell Bench Press
* Decline Bench Press (Barbell bench press on a decline bench)
* Incline Bench Press (Barbell bench press on an incline bench)

Day 4

Shoulder Workout: For shoulders you can perform exercises such as,

* Shoulder Press (Barbell and Dumbbell)
* Front Lateral Raises
* Side Lateral Raises
* Reverse Peck Deck

Day 5

Back Workout: Back should also be given equal importance in the workout routine. Here are some useful back exercises

* Deadlifts
* Pulls Ups
* Seated Pulley Rows
* Lat Pull downs

Day 6

Leg Workout: Legs are often overlooked by many fitness lovers. Some leg workouts that can develop your leg and calf muscles are given below.

* Hack Squats (Machine)
* Barbell Hack Squats (Free Weight)
* Sit Ups
* Stretches
* Calf Raises

Towards the end of all the workouts, do some exercises to develop the abs and wrist muscles.

Day 7

Exercising on day 7 is optional. You can either not exercise and give some rest to your muscles or you can indulge yourself into aerobic exercises, yoga or long cycling.


also found this. seems to be pretty basic and easily changeable.

Hmmmm well this schedule looks to be wasteful of time. Your only going to be in the gym for 30 minutes at a time max. Why not knock out 2 at once then give your body a rest day. Your body grows better when you give a day of rest after training. This workout looks like it was designed for a tennis player not for mass. Looks like your not listening to anything i tell you so i give up, i forgot you were the expert. Good luck

[RoadToRecovery]

Hmmmm well this schedule looks to be wasteful of time. Your only going to be in the gym for 30 minutes at a time max. Why not knock out 2 at once then give your body a rest day. Your body grows better when you give a day of rest after training. This workout looks like it was designed for a tennis player not for mass. Looks like your not listening to anything i tell you so i give up, i forgot you were the expert. Good luck

I completely disagree with this statement in its entirety. It would do him good to not listen to you.

[Implement]

Doing arms on day 1 is asinine. You can't adequately hit your larger, upper body areas, if your arms are taxed. Also, this supplies NO opportunity for bis and tris to recuperate. Seriously, no offense, but it is foolish and does show a lack of knowledge and experience. I have no desire to flame you, dude, but you have got to get these fundamentals down.
Further, if you want mass, crush those legs. The natural hormones that will be released, while your body is repairing and seeking homeostasis, will increase gains throughout your entire body.
Lastly, rest is crucial. In fact, it is just as crucial as protein intake. Allow, AT LEAST, 3 days before re-training any muscle group. If not on gear, this number of days could even be doubled. If there is any soreness in a muscle, whatsoever, it is too early to directly hit that muscle again. Even abs need sufficient rest. They will heal more quickly than the average muscle, though, as will calves. That is just physiological. Okey dokes, I'm out.

[gbrice75]

If that is you in the AV you already have more size/base than the OP. Sounds like you have the right mindset. To bad the OP doesnt and just ignores the objective post. Keep up the good work.

That is me in the AV, thanks for the kind words man. I think we all need to hear it sometimes!

OP - please consider listening to these guys, they're not trying to hurt your feelings - just trying to give sound advice and save you the trial and error that so many have gone through.

[Injected21]

I completely disagree with this statement in its entirety. It would do him good to not listen to you.

Oh ya bro? Do you workout triceps on day 2 then hit chest on day 3? If you do then i would be interested in having you enlightening me on how this is a good routine as to the one i posted before.

[RoadToRecovery]

Oh ya bro? Do you workout triceps on day 2 then hit chest on day 3? If you do then i would be interested in having you enlightening me on how this is a good routine as to the one i posted before.

Well, instead of being immature and making your shallow assumptions you yourself can do a little researching . According to you 30 minutes of weight training is a waste of time. Also you said they looked like they were designed for a tennis player. If you understood the mechanics and chemistry of a "mass" routine you would advise otherwise.

Allow me to break it down for you and how I would set up an intermediate client for hypertrophy.

1st I would establish my clients 1RM for each individual exercise. Once that was accomplished, I would create a routine with 3 or 4 sets per exercise @ 60-75% of his 1RM for about 10 reps per set. Then I would develop his split.

Mon Tues Wed Thurs Fri

Mon - Back

Deadlifts
Back Extensions
Lat Pulldowns
Rows

Tues - Chest

Flys

In. Press
Fl. Press
De. Press

Wed - Legs

Squats
Leg Extension
Leg Curl
Leg Adduction for the neglected sartoreous

Thurs - Arms

(Since almost all bis and tris movement is agonist/antagonist movements I would incorporate a super set.)

(I like incorporating the brachioradialis in my arm workouts for my clients, but thats the extent of the forearm work due to deadlifts putting a highdemand on the flexors.)

Hammer Curls
Barbell Curl SS Skull Crushers
Tricep ext with Bar.

Fri - Shoulders

Upright Rows
Reverse Flys
Dumbell Presses
Front Raises

With a spread like this, you have saturday and sunday off and 2 to 3 days in between each muscle group for rest.

To take every other day off is just a waste of time, and once your body adapts to this schedule, you can do a push-pull hypertrophy routine on a 4 day split. As long as your diet/supplementation supports it you could even do the dreaded Primary secondary split of chest on day one and tris on day 2.

If you would like... I could go way more in depth for you and start pulling out studies about delayed onset muscle soreness and muscle glycogen replenishment.

[RoadToRecovery]

ahhhh now we know why you are at that weight. Please read http://www.steroid.com/workout.php

First of all do you realize you use your triceps when you do most of your chest workouts?

Since you are doing arms on day 1 you cant train your chest on day 2.

Secondly have you heard of rest? You should only train every muscle group once every 8 days. Your muscles grow when your resting, not in the gym!

And why is it you do abs every single day? I'm beginning to wonder who taught you how to workout and set up your splits. I think your first day in the gym was when you shot up aas for the first time. I dont mean to flame but your a clown, dont expect anyone to support you when you walk into something serious with not having done any research at all! Your a kid that wants to be in the trend of getting big by doing AAS but without putting any time into learning how train and eat properly.

Would you believe that I didnt agree with any of this either (bold)? You are really good at parroting information. Do you know the science behind any of the advise you so anxiously give out?

[RoadToRecovery]

Doing arms on day 1 is asinine. You can't adequately hit your larger, upper body areas, if your arms are taxed. Also, this supplies NO opportunity for bis and tris to recuperate. Seriously, no offense, but it is foolish and does show a lack of knowledge and experience. I have no desire to flame you, dude, but you have got to get these fundamentals down.
Further, if you want mass, crush those legs. The natural hormones that will be released, while your body is repairing and seeking homeostasis, will increase gains throughout your entire body.
Lastly, rest is crucial. In fact, it is just as crucial as protein intake. Allow, AT LEAST, 3 days before re-training any muscle group. If not on gear, this number of days could even be doubled. If there is any soreness in a muscle, whatsoever, it is too early to directly hit that muscle again. Even abs need sufficient rest. They will heal more quickly than the average muscle, though, as will calves. That is just physiological. Okey dokes, I'm out.

Does everyone get their info from Muscle and Fitness?

[Injected21]

Would you believe that I didnt agree with any of this either (bold)? You are really good at parroting information. Do you know the science behind any of the advise you so anxiously give out?

Haha wow. Ok well mr. bigshot personal trainer then explain to me how it is efficient to workout your arms on day 1 then proceed to chest on day 2. I want to know the "science" Bill Nye

[RoadToRecovery]

Haha wow. Ok well mr. bigshot personal trainer then explain to me how it is efficient to workout your arms on day 1 then proceed to chest on day 2. I want to know the "science" Bill Nye

How is it not? Tell me, if you replenish your glycogen and do not experience DOMS why would it be inefficient? Especially being on an AAS compound?

Its one thing to establish a reasonable argument, its another to be a wise ass lacking a rebuttal.

[ghettoboyd]

How is it not? Tell me, if you replenish your glycogen and do not experience DOMS why would it be inefficient? Especially being on an AAS compound?

cus if you worked out your tri hard enough for growth then your stregth in your chest exersises should be compromised leaving your workout less than optimal imho.....

[RoadToRecovery]

cus if you worked out your tri hard enough for growth then your stregth in your chest exersises should be compromised leaving your workout less than optimal imho.....

Ok well to keep things in perspective, No matter what kind of workout you are doing, if your arms are involved you are working them out. In the descent of a chin up, you are working out your tricep isometrically. If you do a shoulder press, you are working your tricep. If you do a deadlift, you are working your triceps. Same goes for all secondary muscles.

I see a trend of people who give advice to people like they are training for the Olympics or an IFBB competition.

One of the many brilliant things injected said was

Make sure you complete every set to muscle failure

That is great advice. But what the hell does that mean? If the advice is partially right it is 100% wrong. That line right there could mean anything.

This along with most of the stuff he has said holds no water and he has no explanation for it. Common sense doesnt always prevail with the human body.

[Injected21]

How is it not? Tell me, if you replenish your glycogen and do not experience DOMS why would it be inefficient? Especially being on an AAS compound?

Its one thing to establish a reasonable argument, its another to be a wise ass lacking a rebuttal.

Your a funny little guy. If you work out triceps on day 1 and are 100% the next day you definitely arent training right I dont care what compound you are on. When i hit a muscle group in the gym its sore for 6+ days, you sound like someone who has read a bunch of anatomy books but has never hit the gym yourself. I am really curious as to what your stats are, and if you post something ridiculous like 220 Lbs 8% bf I would really like to see that backed up with some pictures.

Ok well to keep things in perspective, No matter what kind of workout you are doing, if your arms are involved you are working them out. In the descent of a chin up, you are working out your tricep isometrically. If you do a shoulder press, you are working your tricep. If you do a deadlift, you are working your triceps. Same goes for all secondary muscles.

I see a trend of people who give advice to people like they are training for the Olympics or an IFBB competition.

One of the many brilliant things injected said was


That is great advice. But what the hell does that mean? If the advice is partially right it is 100% wrong. That line right there could mean anything.

This along with most of the stuff he has said holds no water and he has no explanation for it. Common sense doesnt always prevail with the human body.

Looks like you need to read http://www.steroid.com/workout.php

But you will most likely say thats wrong because you think your a doctor

We are all wrong and you are right!

You work your arms with every lift???? No way!!!!!! Thanks for pointing that out cause i didnt know that!

It is because of that, that you split your workouts out so that your not working out with fatigued muscles.

I am done with this convo, it is apparent that you are tool and arguing with you is a complete waste of my time.

[RoadToRecovery]

Your a funny little guy. If you work out triceps on day 1 and are 100% the next day you definitely arent training right I dont care what compound you are on. When i hit a muscle group in the gym its sore for 6+ days, you sound like someone who has read a bunch of anatomy books but has never hit the gym yourself. I am really curious as to what your stats are, and if you post something ridiculous like 220 Lbs 8% bf I would really like to see that backed up with some pictures.



Looks like you need to read http://www.steroid.com/workout.php

I guess my physique has alot to do with my knowledge. Its funny, you read a 6 paragraph sticky and suddenly your an expert. Well credentials aside, I asked you a simple question you didnt have an answer to.

But you will most likely say thats wrong because you think your a doctor
Once again, you like many teenagers attribute physique with knowledge and experience. I guess ronnie colemans trainer doesnt know his craft.

We are all wrong and you are right! No, just you are wrong.

You work your arms with every lift???? No way!!!!!! Thanks for pointing that out cause i didnt know that! Each sentence sends my estimation of your age lower and lower

It is because of that, that you split your workouts out so that your not working out with fatigued muscles. What? It is because of what?

I am done with this convo, it is apparent that you are tool and arguing with you is a complete waste of my time. Usually when you argue with someone about something you dont know much about it generally is a waste of time. However, for you to sit there and call people clowns because you think they know less than you is unnecessary and immature. Hopefully this is a lesson for you. Next time you feel like being degrading and you want to prove someone wrong, at least know a little about the topic.

Cant be done with a conversation you didnt even participate in. I didnt claim that I was something that I wasnt. I asked you to clarify why you thought I was wrong and that you were right and you still are yet to do so. No hard feelings though. It should just be a lesson for you and the rest of the individuals that hop on the flame bandwagons that you should equip yourself with a scientific explanation before insulting someone.

[C_Bino]

Your a funny little guy. If you work out triceps on day 1 and are 100% the next day you definitely arent training right I dont care what compound you are on. When i hit a muscle group in the gym its sore for 6+ days, you sound like someone who has read a bunch of anatomy books but has never hit the gym yourself. I am really curious as to what your stats are, and if you post something ridiculous like 220 Lbs 8% bf I would really like to see that backed up with some pictures.



Looks like you need to read http://www.steroid.com/workout.php

But you will most likely say thats wrong because you think your a doctor

We are all wrong and you are right!

You work your arms with every lift???? No way!!!!!! Thanks for pointing that out cause i didnt know that!

It is because of that, that you split your workouts out so that your not working out with fatigued muscles.

I am done with this convo, it is apparent that you are tool and arguing with you is a complete waste of my time.

HHHMMMMM funny thing is you nailed my stats...although Im actually over 220 but who's counting. And, I agree COMPLETELY with RoadToRecovery. You coming in here and telling him that workout is for a tennis player is both ignorant, arrogant and just plain idiotic.

8 days between each bodypart? Explain that "Golden Rule" to me because I dont know anyone that follows that and yes Im friends with a few pro's as well.

Must train every set to muscular failure? No, again thats wrong.

Should have workouts longer than 30mins? Why? Ever heard of HIT?

And the workouts arent designed for MASS? LMAO what the hell are you talking about? He has plenty of compound movements in there and exercise is just a mere tool for muscular hypertrophy...the food is the facilitator.

Get off your high horse pal. Grow some muscles and then give some advice.

[RoadToRecovery]

One other thing I would like to point out injected. Looking at your multiple threads about your cycle(stop spamming btw, create 1 thread and stick to it) you post inconsistent information. One thread says you are doing 525mg of tren from weeks 3-8 Another thread says 700mg of tren from weeks 4-8 and another says 750mg from weeks 4-8. You want to start pointing fingers are people about needing to change up their diet and routine and that they need to do research yet, your on a cycle of god knows what (If you are even on one.) and your asking for advice about lifting and what not. And I would also like to establish you are not 9% body fat. 13% at best. And you want to talk about diet, you went from 203 to 219 in 3 weeks? Ok dude. Keep dreaming.

At least I post advice with real time experience, I dont just give "Just because" answers. How about you stop posting your pipe dream bs and come back to reality and grow up a bit. Have your ducks in a row before you try to bash people.

[Implement]

Does everyone get their info from Muscle and Fitness?

That is experience accrued from nearly 17 years of lifting. I am certified as a PT and have taken graduate level classes in exercise physiology. Thanks, though.
Why are you people so juvenile and prone to hurling insults? I have never insulted anyone on here, and only lend advice from an arsenal of acquired knowledge.

[RoadToRecovery]

That is experience accrued from nearly 17 years of lifting. I am certified as a PT and have taken graduate level classes in exercise physiology. Thanks, though. Join the club. We have jackets
Why are you people so juvenile and prone to hurling insults? I have never insulted anyone on here, and only lend advice from an arsenal of acquired knowledge.

I love how people come on here and attempt to strip someone else of their credibility and then when you highlight them they get defensive and victimize themselves.

Doing arms on day 1 is asinine. You can't adequately hit your larger, upper body areas, if your arms are taxed. Also, this supplies NO opportunity for bis and tris to recuperate.Seriously, no offense, but it is foolish and does show a lack of knowledge and experience. I have no desire to flame you, dude, but you have got to get these fundamentals down.
Further, if you want mass, crush those legs. The natural hormones that will be released, while your body is repairing and seeking homeostasis, will increase gains throughout your entire body.
Lastly, rest is crucial. In fact, it is just as crucial as protein intake. Allow, AT LEAST, 3 days before re-training any muscle group. If not on gear, this number of days could even be doubled. If there is any soreness in a muscle, whatsoever, it is too early to directly hit that muscle again. Even abs need sufficient rest. They will heal more quickly than the average muscle, though, as will calves. That is just physiological. Okey dokes, I'm out.

This is what you have to give after 17 years of experience?
So when do you suggest on working your arms then? Last day of the week?

[Injected21]

One other thing I would like to point out injected. Looking at your multiple threads about your cycle(stop spamming btw, create 1 thread and stick to it) you post inconsistent information. One thread says you are doing 525mg of tren from weeks 3-8 Another thread says 700mg of tren from weeks 4-8 and another says 750mg from weeks 4-8. You want to start pointing fingers are people about needing to change up their diet and routine and that they need to do research yet, your on a cycle of god knows what (If you are even on one.) and your asking for advice about lifting and what not. And I would also like to establish you are not 9% body fat. 13% at best. And you want to talk about diet, you went from 203 to 219 in 3 weeks? Ok dude. Keep dreaming.

At least I post advice with real time experience, I dont just give "Just because" answers. How about you stop posting your pipe dream bs and come back to reality and grow up a bit. Have your ducks in a row before you try to bash people.

lol ducks in a row? Quote from the website, "Every day you train in the GYM should be followed by a complete off day. Bodybuilders who are interested in an optimal strength and muscle gain should train every muscle once very intensely every 7-8 days." So i guess the website that hosts this forum, ghettoboyd, dmtyrie and myself are all incorrect. On the topic of my tren dosage - I figured out that my tren was dosed at 150mg/ml instead of 100 since i bought a homebrew from a buddy of mine. You have no life searching all my threads to find something to get back at me at. I ask you my friend to post a thread saying that working muscles to failure and training every muscle once a week is wrong and see how many flames you get. Your posting opinionated information. I really dont know of many successful bb's who lift arms at the first of the week with no rest days and hit bodyparts the next day that require arms. Your an idiot...
That is all...

[RoadToRecovery]

lol ducks in a row? Quote from the website, "Every day you train in the GYM should be followed by a complete off day. Bodybuilders who are interested in an optimal strength and muscle gain should train every muscle once very intensely every 7-8 days." So i guess the website that hosts this forum, ghettoboyd, dmtyrie and myself are all incorrect. On the topic of my tren dosage - I figured out that my tren was dosed at 150mg/ml instead of 100 since i bought a homebrew from a buddy of mine. You have no life searching all my threads to find something to get back at me at. I ask you my friend to post a thread saying that working muscles to failure and training every muscle once a week is wrong and see how many flames you get. Your posting opinionated information. I really dont know of many successful bb's who lift arms at the first of the week with no rest days and hit bodyparts the next day that require arms. Your an idiot...
That is all...

You simply avoid the actual point each time you post and then end it with some sort of smart ass remark. First of all, let me point out that this website and the information on the main page is about a decade old. Times change and so does the information. However, those are guidelines not to be followed religiously. I asked you pretty much the same question and represented it in a different form each time and you completely avoided it each post. Not one bit of fitness related advice was opinionated.

Back to you parroting information, you copied and pasted a line from the main page but do you have any idea why the site recommends this?

I love how you end each of your inept arguments with some sort of insult and yet you havent even attempted to answer the main question that I have been asking. It is what it is injected. The next time you feel like attacking a thread starter or even feel the need of calling someone a clown. Check out one of your many threads about the exact same thing and you tell me if you have the place to start insulting people. This is the case of the pot calling the kettle black. Your on a cycle (supposedly) and you still are looking for help with it.

Dont even get me started about your low carb "bulking" diet.

Bottom line, you need to do a complete revamp of your diet and then from there you need to check out your training routine and renovate that as well. This is done by doing research. Not reading a 6 paragraph suggestive article and calling it a day.

[oldschoolfitness]

this kid is going to get his little a--hole burned on this board. oh well live and learn

[Implement]

Pity. I didn't come here to argue with people, whom I don't even know. This arguing and mentality that everyone knows better and has to prove themselves, while insulting everybody else along the way, is disheartening. Frankly, it is a huge wast of my time. I did enjoy the board, until I decided to participate. At this point, I am over it. Call it a defeated retreat, if you like. I call it moving on. A cohesive group, who form a unique sub-culture is what I was seeking and thought I had found. I was wrong. **** it. I've got shit to do.

[RoadToRecovery]

Pity. I didn't come here to argue with people, whom I don't even know. This arguing and mentality that everyone knows better and has to prove themselves, while insulting everybody else along the way, is disheartening. Frankly, it is a huge wast of my time. I did enjoy the board, until I decided to participate. At this point, I am over it. Call it a defeated retreat, if you like. I call it moving on. A cohesive group, who form a unique sub-culture is what I was seeking and thought I had found. I was wrong. **** it. I've got shit to do.

Suck it up and man up. If you cant take the heat then dont cook.

I love how people come on here and attempt to strip someone else of their credibility and then when you highlight them they get defensive and victimize themselves.

This still stands with you. You like hundreds of other newer members claim to be in the know and tell someone they dont know what they are doing and then back it up with the most generic advice.

With any community you have those that use, those that abuse, and those who take sincere pride in being a part of it.

[stevey_6t9]

this thread is going no where, its like two grandpas arguing over a game of chess.

at the end of the day everyones different and not one split is correct for everyone.

[RoadToRecovery]

at the end of the day everyones different and not one split is correct for everyone.

This is absolutely correct. However, I will say that there is a method to my madness. The point that I am trying to put across is to not just pick a routine based on one excerpt and to understand why you are doing what you are doing. This way, you can make the changes that you need to immediately if it isnt working optimally. There is nothing wrong with asking why.

I never said my way was the only way but I questioned why others said there way is.

[stevey_6t9]

This is absolutely correct. However, I will say that there is a method to my madness. The point that I am trying to put across is to not just pick a routine based on one excerpt and to understand why you are doing what you are doing. This way, you can make the changes that you need to immediately if it isnt working optimally. There is nothing wrong with asking why.

I never said my way was the only way but I questioned why others said there way is.

i completely agree.

well i guess its settled

the fact of the matter is that no workout split is correct, not one is right or wrong, but rather suited in the sense of being specifically tailored to an individuals goals,time,genetics,strengths/weaknesses etc.

goodnight everyone!

[ghettoboyd]

just wanted to point out that you guys tottaly hyjacked this thread......the op is probably scared to come back after all this bickering....just throwing that out there...

[RoadToRecovery]

It really isnt a highjack, the argument pertained to the topic and the information posted is to the OPs benefit. Plus, I defended the OP from the get go.

[Injected21]

Dont even get me started about your low carb "bulking" diet.

Lol low carb bulking diet? What the hell are you talking about? I would love to see it. I have never typed a sentence with low carb and bulking together so good luck at that one

[RoadToRecovery]

Lol low carb bulking diet? What the hell are you talking about? I would love to see it. I have never typed a sentence with low carb and bulking together so good luck at that one

Sure, its easy to backtrack and delete and edit posts pal. Are you done yet?

[boss4romdabay]

hey OP come back now lol

[RoadToRecovery]

He hasnt been online in 3 days

[Injected21]

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[Injected21]

Sure, its easy to backtrack and delete and edit posts pal. Are you done yet?

Lol! The question is are you done my friend? Your just spitting out random sentences that are completely erroneous.
Man get a life, your like those people who flame on youtube.

[RoadToRecovery]

Lol! The question is are you done my friend? Your just spitting out random sentences that are completely erroneous.
Man get a life, your like those people who flame on youtube.

And you are like the people on a forum that twist information to suit your argument and hop on the bandwagon to go with the flow. What did I say that was random or erroneous? I questioned your approach and you came up short with an answer. The only thing you could do is become defensive and immature and hurl insults and avoid the question(sound familiar?).

You need check yourself and come correctly. Otherwise you are just digging yourself deeper in a hole that you wont be able to come out of.

Still waiting on that answer by the way.

[LiftedDuramax2007]

Am I the only one that is questioning his day 1 pics and his day 6 pics? Saying he gained 11lbs but looks like he lost a good 5lbs from his gut. Just doesnt make sense

[Injected21]

And you are like the people on a forum that twist information to suit your argument and hop on the bandwagon to go with the flow.

Hmmm... that one hurts, you just ruined my day

What did I say that was random or erroneous?

Nothing.. just you researching all my threads. You finding nothing relevant to help your arguement. Then you totally making up something... then your excuse is.... oh well you must have edited your threads... LOL!

The only thing you could do is become defensive and immature and hurl insults and avoid the question(sound familiar?).

Im sorry bro, did i hurt your feelings? So what is this unspoken question? I want to know?

You need check yourself and come correctly. Otherwise you are just digging yourself deeper in a hole that you wont be able to come out of.

oooo you got me there...Oh my god im SO scared! What am i to do?

[Valac]

+1 C-Bino

[stevey_6t9]

+1 stevey_6t9