okay need the truth ....

**demetri** · 02-10-2003, 07:44 PM

KunipshunFit is right. Drink water, it's great for you and the more you drink the less you'll hold. If you value your health you'll stay far away from lasics. They're only for short term use and I don't know of very many people that were happy with the end results from lasics.

**New GearGuy** · 02-11-2003, 05:45 PM

looks like you are starting to get a little horseshoe, legs look bigger ,bi's a little bigger maybe keep up the good work. Glutes look good too didnt see a before shot though .

**Rocket** · 02-11-2003, 05:53 PM

You have already got more opionions than one person needs, so I will just tell you keep training, eat lean, hit the cardio and life will be good!

Rocket

**New GearGuy** · 02-11-2003, 06:06 PM

Optimum 100% Whey is the protein powder I use but I am looking to add mass not cut so it might not be the right one for you ......check ou the link on the home page .

**zillamonster** · 02-11-2003, 07:17 PM

Bump Rocket, Diet Cardio and Training. You look great to me Boxergirl. Diet and some cardio will get you buff if that is what you want. Keep at it, I have been doing this longer than I like to admit.

Zilla

**girlboxer** · 02-11-2003, 09:29 PM

do you think for get doing another cycle have a week left of this one what do you think i really haven't noticed any thing but like i have said this is the first drug i have ever done and i really don't know what to exspect... or what to look for .. and i see my self every day so it's hard to see improvement im my worst cridict.....
but again thank you for every thing all you guys.....................xoxoxo boxer

**New GearGuy** · 02-12-2003, 03:49 PM

Really depends on you ,you could cut after your cycle and bring out what you have already or do another cycle to bulk more and cut then.

If you were my GF I would say go for another cycle and then cut. I kinda like a muscualr looking girl. Just dont go Nicole Bass on us ok.

**King Samson** · 02-12-2003, 04:21 PM

Hey girl, I have briefly read through the posts here but I think that if your goal is to bulk then I would cut out the cardio and the fat burning supps. It will hindering your muscle gains. Disrgard if you are looking to cut. I would stick to either bulking or cutting. Don't try to do both at the same time.

**girlboxer** · 02-12-2003, 10:04 PM

okay no nicole bass here lol ... but i would like to bulk then cut it up but not like square jaw and crap i still want to look like a girl i mean but look like i kick ass like i can in the ring ... you know but thanks for the advice ... xoxoxoxox boxer

**king-scan** · 02-13-2003, 01:11 PM

cut up and you will look great ,just drop the carbs some and try some ECA or clen ....if you want to keep looking like a girl winstrol is not the drug for it :P

Good luck ....

KinG-ScaN

**overactive-girl** · 02-13-2003, 01:47 PM

hey girl,
as far as losing water weight goes, I can make some suggestions...but I've never done AS, so I don't know if your water weight from winny is different.
But what works for me to lose a lot of water weight is to put natural dieretic herbs on my food (parsley, dill, cilantro, fennel, anise)
Also, I drink an UNSWEETENED cranberry juice/water mixture which is supposed to eliminate water retention. (4oz. juice with 28 oz. water)

**girlboxer** · 02-13-2003, 03:08 PM

thanks girl ... i will check that out i drink alot of carnberry juice along with my little girl so i will check that out .. thanks again all of you and thanks over..xoxoxox boxer

**girlboxer** · 02-14-2003, 06:47 PM

HAPPY VALENTINES TO YOU ALL !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!XOXOXOXOXO BOXER

**The Butcher** · 02-14-2003, 08:43 PM

Girlboxer, your lower body definitely looks like it is progressing. But, from the sounds of things, you are not happy with your overall musculature(sp?). Many of the guys and girls have outlined a good diet for you, so I would start there. Definitely get rid of the Muscle Milk if you are trying to get leaner. Any of the protein powders from the reputable companies will be good for you. Just find one you like. My personal favorite is a pack of regular chocolate Myoplex with a scoop of chocolate whey from Champion Nutrition. Anyway, on to what I was really responding to...

As far as your drug intake is concerned, I think you went a little too light on the dosage. Latasaurus may disagree, but his girlfriend may have some stellar genetics. Plus, if you add up the dosage his gf took over a 7 day period, you will notice that her intake was almost right on the money with the "rule of thumb" for female Winstrol intake. She took 7.5mg/day which adds up to 52.5mg/week. Please reread the response I had written to one of your original posts (I have included the thread below). Although I said that my gfs had "fitness" physiques, do not misread that as "not muscular". You just have to consider that they had more of the "bombshell" physique as opposed to the more "athletic" physique you have. I am sure that if you saw pictures of them you would not be unhappy with the musculature they posessed, so their drug intake would probably suit you just fine. Your genetics classify you more in the category you seem to want anyway, so you are well on your way (and lucky) because of that!

Before you get on to my original response, I will tell you that you should probably wait 6 weeks (or more) before you start another cycle. Females are more sensitive to aas, so just be careful. Patience (as much as it sucks to wait) is a virtue. And, this is a life-long quest. You'll get there. At least you are in the right place to learn about all of this stuff. I spent YEARS trying different things to get to where I am now. If only I knew then what I know now...

HERE IS THE RESPONSE I HAD WRITTEN TO ONE OF YOUR ORIGINAL THREADS:

(Please note that the following opinions are all anecdotal evidence I have gathered from personal experience, and the experiences of people I know. It doesn't mean that they are a hard and fast rule, but they are a pretty good survey consisting of about 10 different people, both men and women, and many of whom compete. These 10 or so people will collectively be called "we" or "us" in the rest of this post to make this easier for me to type, and you to read)

One of the problems with trying to figure out the oral dosage for Winni for women is the fact that when Winni is in pill form, it usually needs to be taken ed. Again, from the experiences of "us", oral consumption of Winni does NOT appear to be as effective as taking it IM (intermuscularly) in a dose for dose comparison. In other words, we have noticed that if you take winni orally, you have to do it every day in order to get the same effectiveness of taking it IM eod. Others may disagree, but this is the general consensus that "we" have come to. You will notice that most suggestions for women taking winni IM is to take 25mg every 3 or 4 days. Notice that this is typically only going to be 1/2ml (if it's 50mg/ml) or 1/4ml (if it's 100mg/ml). This adds up to 50mg of Winni every six or eight days. Your consumption rate is 30mg every six days, or 40 mg every eight days. You are still on the low side of the general "rule of thumb" for female winni dosage. Not to mention the fact that you are taking it orally, which as I have noted above, does not "appear" to be as effective as taking it IM.

So, here is my suggestion to you. Get rid of the Winni tabs. Probably not what you wanted to hear, but I will tell you why. Three of my past girlfriends have used AAS. All three of them have either a Fitness, or a Figure physique, not a body-builder physique, and that is the way they wanted to stay. I'm not sure what your goals are, but I thought I would give you some anecdotes about their experiences. All three have tried the following: Winni (injectible and oral), Primobolan (all have tried the injectible, one tried the tabs as well), and Anavar . The most desirable results seemed to be achieved by Primobolan @ 100mg/week. They got more muscular, stronger, and leaner. At 200mg/week some very undesirable sides were incurred by one of them. She broke out all over her arms, and eventually her natural DoubleD cup breasts reduced themselves to C cups at best. They did not come back, and that is why I love the man who invented the breast implant. And here I just have to say that a woman with DD breasts AND a rock hard six-pack is amazingly sexy (sorry, I'm still a man, and sometimes I can't help myself)(plus, I have to give her credit for busting her ass in the gym to get the body she has).
Winni, while effective at giving muscle size and reducing bodyfat, seemed to have too many undesirable sides to warrant its use. Again, this is only a sample of 3 women, so don't take it to mean that it is going to be that way for you. Their doses for IM were 25mg every 3 days (one took 50mg/4 days for the first couple of weeks b/c her ex, being the moron he is, told her to do it that way), and when they took it orally, they took 10mg/day. All three of them noticed a deepening of the voice (The one who took 50mg/4days was VERY noticeable), and the other two just kinda ended up with a sort of raspy, smoker's voice. It lessened once they got off, but it was still noticeably deeper than before. Also, two of the three had a noticeable enlargening of the clitoris. That DID stay for the two of them. It's not like they now had a penis, but you can imagine what several cycles of it might produce. I should also note hear that the one who did the Primobolan @ 200mg/week had some clitoral enlargment from that as well. 100mg/week did not seem to affect any of them. Also, the enlarged clitoris's (is that the plural of clitoris? Should it be clitori?), were not by any means gross, and they actually seemed to increase in sensitivity. Not necessarily a bad thing, but many women are self-conscious about being too "meaty" down there.

Anavar, while seemingly effective for some women, has never produced the bang for the buck results that the other two have. Yes, all three of them got a little leaner, and a little more muscular. But, not as much as with the other two. And, it was considerably more expensive. But, none of the three noticed any sides. Guess that's the upside.

So, what have we learned here (in other words, if I were a woman, this is what I would do)? Primobolan and Winni are both effective. Primobolan, at the right dose, seems to be the best when you weigh in the results, the cost, and the potential side effects. Winni, while effective, seems to cause more undesirable sides to get the same effects of Primobolan. Anavar, while good for getting lean and hard, doesn't produce the muscle gains of the other two, and it's more expensive.
If you can, get ahold of about 6 or 8 Primobolans @ 100mg each. Take one a week for 6 to 8 weeks and see what happens. If you don't get any results, up the dose the next time around for the first 2 to 3 weeks to 200mg/week, and then go back down to 100mg/week. I would suggest doing it this way b/c you are a woman, and your system can be affected more easily than a man. Best to ease into it (with the potential of being let down with your results on the first run), than to just jump into the higher doses and risk getting some unfeminine (is that a word?) results. Be prepared to lose your period, so don't freak out if you aren't on time. All three of them lost their periods while on, and one of them took almost 5 months to get her's back after her last shot.
If you have any other questions, or any more info you want to give us, feel free. Take care.

**girlboxer** · 02-17-2003, 09:34 AM

well one more day of winnie than i think im going to take 6 weeks off before i start another cycle ... just when i am starting to feel the muscels hardening.... i have no more ... well any way thanks for all the info you all have been great thanks

**anastasio** · 02-21-2003, 04:28 AM

PLEASE BE RESPECTFUL OF ALL OUR MEMBERS

**KunipshunFit** · 02-21-2003, 07:21 AM

Originally posted by anastasio
i like your ass

That shit is uncalled for! Have some respect! She wants critiques, not lame lines about your opinion on her ass.

Now, granted she has a very toned lower body, and it is appealing to most of the male species...but still man, show a bit of class!

K'Fit

**Slypknot** · 02-21-2003, 09:14 AM

Pro Rated on the www.allsportsnutrition.com is what he had posted...

How many meals a day do you eat? It may be a timing issue, to get your metabolism in high gear...you may not be eating enough times throughout the day...should be around 5-6/small little snacks...I got the best results from just changing my diet (not even upping cardio)...

**KunipshunFit** · 02-21-2003, 09:21 AM

Pro-Rated is goooood...

ordered 10lbs about 1and a half months ago...only got 5lbs left

K'Fit

That chocolate flavor is amazing!

**girlboxer** · 02-21-2003, 11:27 AM

hey every one fist i would like to say thank you for sticking up for me ..second i would like to say mt eating is every 2 hrs and i think i am going to buy that pro rated... again thank you all ....lots of love to you ...Boxer

**girlboxer** · 02-28-2003, 01:31 PM

BIKE WEEK LETS GO ...... IM HEADING DOWN THERE WITH MY BIKE AND A COUPLE BUDDIES .. ANY WAY IM GOING TO TRY THAT PRO RATED THANKS ALL OF YOU

**Inkman** · 03-03-2003, 04:29 AM

First of all I did see some nice changes in the legs, hams and glute area. YOu seem to be getting tighter there. You are NOT taking enough winnie to see great or even good results. Everyone reacts differently to the drugs. Some will grow at 5mgs a day and some need 20mgs a day. My gf was one that needed 20mgs a day or she would have not seen anything going on. Up the dose. If you start seeing bad sides then reduce simple as that. You will NOT look like a man so stop worrying about that.Do somemore research before you start worrying yourself to death... The women that do look like men are on very large amounts of heavy roids including growth hormone , test, fina and you name it !!!!

Want to you know that winnie is not my fav choice for women due to it is very unpredicatable when it comes to thier reaction, Some women do well others see nothing. Better choice for you would be anavar , primo depot. These have been proven to build lean muscle mass while on very low cal diets.... Hope I helped Inkman

**steppenwolf** · 03-09-2003, 02:01 PM

if i were a woman, i would only take anavar . i'd start at 5 mg a day. then i would up the dose to 10-15 mg a day. because it's lower in androgen's, you can take more without virilizing. some women virilize on that amount. hardbodygrl is muscular and defined and that's all she take's. spend as much time off cycle as on. i would not take enough to virilize in any way.
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