Start first cycle or not? Tips? pics

**pirus** · 10-01-2010, 01:38 PM

Hello!

I want opinions on wether to start a Test/Dbol cycle or not?

Background:
I first began lifting in hischool, then it was on and off, just benching and doing whatever, did progress there quite a bit already. Then I didnt lift for some time and began lifting again 5 years ago, lifted 5months i an row, gained good size and strength, bench went from 70kg(155) to 115kg(255), didnt squat or deadlift at all, just did what i did before, whatever i felt like.
Now, I know these are good results because my 3 gym friends didnt come close to what I was lifting.
Then I began a program with squats and deadlifts but had to join the army(mandatory here) and got a kneeinjury and had two surgerys. 3½ years later its good but I didnt do cardio/weightlifting at that time.
I'm 180cm thats 5 9 or 5 10 I think

Now I began lifting again and have been lifting for 5 months again and my current records are:
Bench 117½kg (260lbs)
Squat 135kg (300lbs)
Deadlift 175kg (385lbs) got 180kg today ~395lbs
These records came quickly but now it seems to be hard getting new records.
I'm 26 soon 27, weight 87kg(191), bodyfat estimate ~15-17%?
And now I got a gymfriend whos friend is juicing and selling stuff and this got me wondering if it would be too early to try a cycle in a month or two maby?

I've done research and think this cycle would be suitable now:
Sustanon 250, 500mg - 6 weeks
Dbol 30mg ED - 4 weeks
Arimidex 0.5 mg EOD - 7 weeks
PCT weeks 8-12:
Clomid 100/100/50/50
Nolva 40/40/20/20

Arimidex would be for my relativly high bodyfat levels(Holydays with beer gave me 10lbs shitmass)..

What do you guys think?

**MaNiCC** · 10-01-2010, 01:40 PM

Drop the Bf a little

**pirus** · 10-01-2010, 01:54 PM

Yeah, I agree on the bf, have gained too much mass lately. Cutting a month or two would do good and then fill it up with muscle

How does my cycle/pct look?

**tbody66** · 10-01-2010, 02:46 PM

How tall are you? I think you could still see major gains with proper diet and exercise for two more years of solid lifting before AAS, your lifts sound weak for your weight and pics.

**slimshady01** · 10-01-2010, 03:20 PM

I agree , get lean , see some abs before you juice. You don't want a big pot belly to go along with your new muscle. Get body fat test done I think u 19-21% although not sure with those pics.

**bjpennnn** · 10-01-2010, 03:43 PM

Originally Posted by MaNiCC

Drop the Bf a little

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**Vitruvian-Man** · 10-01-2010, 04:12 PM

Sust needs to be run for 8-10 weeks minimum IMO.

Just use Test-Prop if you want to run a 6 week cycle.

PCT looks fine.

-VM

**gbrice75** · 10-01-2010, 05:12 PM

Agreed about lowering bodyfat. Hard to tell from your pics, but it does look like you're higher then 15%, closer to 20 IMO.

**CMB** · 10-01-2010, 10:36 PM

Do you have a diet down? Try that first and see how it goes.

If you still don't get results like you wanted, then go with a var cycle. trust me those work!

**pirus** · 10-02-2010, 12:04 AM

tbody66
How tall are you? I think you could still see major gains with proper diet and exercise for two more years of solid lifting before AAS, your lifts sound weak for your weight and pics.

I'm 5,9 ? (180cm) Diet is no problem when it comes to gaining or loosing weight. I've been eating clean and good, just too much; those extra protein shakes and 5 eggs a day really gets my weight going up. But I should be doing more cardio. I aleady was down at 79kg(175lbs) before summer, looked alot better.

slimshady01
I agree , get lean , see some abs before you juice. You don't want a big pot belly to go along with your new muscle. Get body fat test done I think u 19-21% although not sure with those pics.

You are probably right about the bf % . Its good to hear feedback!

Vitruvian-Man
Sust needs to be run for 8-10 weeks minimum IMO.

Just use Test-Prop if you want to run a 6 week cycle.

PCT looks fine.

-VM

Yeah, I could go longer or try prop, the source I know has atleast Sus250, so Ill go with what I get. Point taken, thanks!

Overall I'm very happy for all the replys I got! Thanks guys! I'll come back later and post pics when my bf% is lower. I'll probably wait for the cycle, buy all the stuff first so I'm good to go when I feel ready.

**funkymonk** · 10-02-2010, 05:16 PM

IMO if you have to ask if you are ready for a cycle, you aren't. It seems like you could drop a few lbs pretty easily.

**tbody66** · 10-02-2010, 06:24 PM

I believe you have a great base, truly, just think you would be so much more pleased with what a cycle would do for you after you have come closer to maxing out your natural potential. I say two years of hard lifting and clean eating. Be here for you either way though.

**pirus** · 10-22-2010, 12:03 PM

Update!
Found new source and new stuff, Ill go for Test E and Tbol when the times come, and hcg e3d.

I've been cutting for a week now and Im 4 pounds down(also water due to creatine). Before I started cutting I got some new records:
Bench 270lbs
And deadlifted 355lbs for 6reps