Hizbullah's attacks stem from Israeli incursions into Lebanon

[DontBanMe]

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0801/p09s02-coop.html

OPEN YOUR EYES

Hizbullah's attacks stem from Israeli incursions into Lebanon

By Anders Strindberg

NEW YORK – As pundits and policymakers scramble to explain events in Lebanon, their conclusions are virtually unanimous: Hizbullah created this crisis. Israel is defending itself. The underlying problem is Arab extremism.
Sadly, this is pure analytical nonsense. Hizbullah's capture of two Israeli soldiers on July 12 was a direct result of Israel's silent but unrelenting aggression against Lebanon, which in turn is part of a six-decades long Arab-Israeli conflict.

Since its withdrawal of occupation forces from southern Lebanon in May 2000, Israel has violated the United Nations-monitored "blue line" on an almost daily basis, according to UN reports. Hizbullah's military doctrine, articulated in the early 1990s, states that it will fire Katyusha rockets into Israel only in response to Israeli attacks on Lebanese civilians or Hizbullah's leadership; this indeed has been the pattern.

In the process of its violations, Israel has terrorized the general population, destroyed private property, and killed numerous civilians. This past February, for instance, 15-year-old shepherd Yusuf Rahil was killed by unprovoked Israeli cross-border fire as he tended his flock in southern Lebanon. Israel has assassinated its enemies in the streets of Lebanese cities and continues to occupy Lebanon's Shebaa Farms area, while refusing to hand over the maps of mine fields that continue to kill and cripple civilians in southern Lebanon more than six years after the war supposedly ended. What peace did Hizbullah shatter?

Hizbullah's capture of the soldiers took place in the context of this ongoing conflict, which in turn is fundamentally shaped by realities in the Palestinian territories. To the vexation of Israel and its allies, Hizbullah - easily the most popular political movement in the Middle East - unflinchingly stands with the Palestinians.

Since June 25, when Palestinian fighters captured one Israeli soldier and demanded a prisoner exchange, Israel has killed more than 140 Palestinians. Like the Lebanese situation, that flare-up was detached from its wider context and was said to be "manufactured" by the enemies of Israel; more nonsense proffered in order to distract from the apparently unthinkable reality that it is the manner in which Israel was created, and the ideological premises that have sustained it for almost 60 years, that are the core of the entire Arab-Israeli conflict.

Once the Arabs had rejected the UN's right to give away their land and to force them to pay the price for European pogroms and the Holocaust, the creation of Israel in 1948 was made possible only by ethnic cleansing and annexation. This is historical fact and has been documented by Israeli historians, such as Benny Morris. Yet Israel continues to contend that it had nothing to do with the Palestinian exodus, and consequently has no moral duty to offer redress.

For six decades the Palestinian refugees have been refused their right to return home because they are of the wrong race. "Israel must remain a Jewish state," is an almost sacral mantra across the Western political spectrum. It means, in practice, that Israel is accorded the right to be an ethnocracy at the expense of the refugees and their descendants, now close to 5 million.

Is it not understandable that Israel's ethnic preoccupation profoundly offends not only Palestinians, but many of their Arab brethren? Yet rather than demanding that Israel acknowledge its foundational wrongs as a first step toward equality and coexistence, the Western world blithely insists that each and all must recognize Israel's right to exist at the Palestinians' expense.

Western discourse seems unable to accommodate a serious, as opposed to cosmetic concern for Palestinians' rights and liberties: The Palestinians are the Indians who refuse to live on the reservation; the Negroes who refuse to sit in the back of the bus.

By what moral right does anyone tell them to be realistic and get over themselves? That it is too much of a hassle to right the wrongs committed against them? That the front of the bus must remain ethnically pure? When they refuse to recognize their occupier and embrace their racial inferiority, when desperation and frustration causes them to turn to violence, and when neighbors and allies come to their aid - some for reasons of power politics, others out of idealism - we are astonished that they are all such fanatics and extremists.

The fundamental obstacle to understanding the Arab-Israeli conflict is that we have given up on asking what is right and wrong, instead asking what is "practical" and "realistic." Yet reality is that Israel is a profoundly racist state, the existence of which is buttressed by a seemingly endless succession of punitive measures, assassinations, and wars against its victims and their allies.

A realistic understanding of the conflict, therefore, is one that recognizes that the crux is not in this or that incident or policy, but in Israel's foundational and per- sistent refusal to recognize the humanity of its Palestinian victims. Neither Hizbullah nor Hamas are driven by a desire to "wipe out Jews," as is so often claimed, but by a fundamental sense of injustice that they will not allow to be forgotten.

These groups will continue to enjoy popular legitimacy because they fulfill the need for someone - anyone - to stand up for Arab rights. Israel cannot destroy this need by bombing power grids or rocket ramps. If Israel, like its former political ally South Africa, has the capacity to come to terms with principles of democracy and human rights and accept egalitarian multiracial coexistence within a single state for Jews and Arabs, then the foundation for resentment and resistance will have been removed. If Israel cannot bring itself to do so, then it will continue to be the vortex of regional violence.

[alphaman]

You have further damaged your credibility by attempting to misrepresent the Christian Science Monitor.



You forgot this part huh?

"Anders Strindberg, formerly a visiting professor at Damascus University, Syria, is a consultant on Middle East politics working with European government and law-enforcement agencies. He has also covered Syria, Lebanon, and the Palestinian territories as a journalist since the late 1990s, primarily for European publications. "

Oh, and how about the fact that this is in the "Opinion" section on the opposite side the "Monitor's View".

http://www.csmonitor.com/commentary

Here's a "Monitor's View" article:

http://www.csmonitor.com/2006/0725/p08s02-comv.html


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Please don't come on here and try to confuse people by telling them to "OPEN THEIR EYES".


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[RA]

They keep firing rockets into Israel, taking hostages, and sending homicide bombers. Israel has every right to do what they are doing. In my view, they are not doing enough..yet.

[DontBanMe]

Please don't come on here and try to confuse people by telling them to "OPEN THEIR EYES".

That is one view, what I posted is another.

In no way was I saying that view represents the CS monitors view, since its an Opinion as stated on their website.

[alphaman]

That is one view, what I posted is another.

In no way was I saying that view represents the CS monitors view, since its an Opinion as stated on their website.

Uh-huh.

[DontBanMe]

They keep firing rockets into Israel, taking hostages, and sending homicide bombers. Israel has every right to do what they are doing. In my view, they are not doing enough..yet.

Yeah spewing your Jewish media's propaganda. It doesnt talk about the Israeli aggresssion against Lebanon from 2000 to 2005.

More than 11,000 Israeli rockets have gone into Lebanon from Israel during that time. That isnt aggression.

Tons of other incidents in which Israel has been the aggressor, not to mention occupying forieign peoples. That is not "aggression".

Go listen to the likes of Pat Buchanan, a true American. Not Zionst filth media personalities.

[alphaman]

I thought this was mguy at first. Hi Caus. lol

[RA]

Are you honestly trying to convince me that if the Hizbullah wasn't in Lebanon that Israel would have a problem with them. Come on...your dealing with someone who knows the difference. Dont try to brain wash me with your muslim bullshit.

[DontBanMe]

I thought this was mguy at first. Hi Caus. lol

MGuy is busy defending his country, from blood thirsty invaders. GOD bless him.

[Kale]

I thought this was mguy at first. Hi Caus. lol

Too intelligent for Mbitch but just as brainwashed !!!

[Kale]

horse ban this retard will ya

[DontBanMe]

Are you honestly trying to convince me that if the Hizbullah wasn't in Lebanon that Israel would have a problem with them. Come on...your dealing with someone who knows the difference. Dont try to brain wash me with your muslim bullshit.

Wait, you know that Israel invaded Lebanon before Hezbollah was even created right?

You know Hezbollah was created BECAUSE of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon right?

These Zionists have tons of excuses, they will always have a new one.

[alphaman]

MGuy is busy defending his country, from blood thirsty invaders. GOD bless him.

I was wondering about that...


Looks like you're aboujt to be banned again.

[DontBanMe]

horse ban this retard will ya

Stop posting pictures of girls from the internet as your avatar, you dont look cool, trust me.

[HORSE~]

horse ban this retard will ya

Done..... well Maybe...Waiting....For...A Response....I might ....Be....Badgerman...HuMMMM???

[RA]

Wait, you know that Israel invaded Lebanon before Hezbollah was even created right?

You know Hezbollah was created BECAUSE of the Israeli invasion of Lebanon right?

These Zionists have tons of excuses, they will always have a new one.

I'll let you in on a little secret...Lebanon does not want the crazy Hezes there!! If they were gone, Lebanon and Israel would peacefully co-exist. Tell me the truth..you want the destruction of Israel at any cost..right?

[HORSE~]

Stop posting pictures of girls from the internet as your avatar, you dont look cool, trust me.

Dude you are more brain washed than I thought.....Kale I think you look COOL!!!!

[DontBanMe]

Done..... well Maybe...Waiting....For...A Response....I might ....Be....Badgerman...HuMMMM???

What's the point of a ban. It takes me 10 seconds to make a new name anyway.

[DontBanMe]

Dude you are more brain washed than I thought.....Kale I think you look COOL!!!!

Coming from a guy with a Snow mask cap, Mr T Gold chains and Bret the Hitman Hart sunglasses.

[RA]

Why should he be gone because of this thread?

[alphaman]

What's the point of a ban. It takes me 10 seconds to make a new name anyway.

It sucks that it had to come to this.


Did you delete the Jesus thread the other day?

[HORSE~]

What's the point of a ban. It takes me 10 seconds to make a new name anyway.

I cant bann anybody..I am just checking this thread out...

BTW I liked your hores avy alot better than this one...

[RA]

Stop flaming puss and maybe you will stay.

[alphaman]

Coming from a guy with a Snow mask cap, Mr T Gold chains and Bret the Hitman Hart sunglasses.

They had WWF in Chechnya? lol

If they deleted that thread, you're lucky because I was going to blow you out of the water on that one.

[DontBanMe]

I'll let you in on a little secret...Lebanon does not want the crazy Hezes there!! If they were gone, Lebanon and Israel would peacefully co-exist. Tell me the truth..you want the destruction of Israel at any cost..right?

Before the Hezes even existed, there was no peaceful co-existence.

Actually I never did want Israel destoryed. I always wanted a two state solution. With Palestine being located in West Bank, Gaza, and the capital as East Jerusalem. Check my old posts.

But after the Lebanon attack, do I hope Israel is destroyed? Absouletly.

[RA]

You still havent replied to my post..do it before your banned.

[DontBanMe]

Did you delete the Jesus thread the other day?

No. It was #Admin#

[HORSE~]

Coming from a guy with a Snow mask cap, Mr T Gold chains and Bret the Hitman Hart sunglasses.

I guess were your from you dont see alot of blond hair

I dont wear gold chains I do aas and I cant afford both....

But thanks for the other complements....

[DontBanMe]

They had WWF in Chechnya? lol

Yeah. Bret Hart and the Hart Foundation my favorite.

If they deleted that thread, you're lucky because I was going to blow you out of the water on that one.

I created that thread, because I had tons of ammo, against any comeback.

[RA]

Before the Hezes even existed, there was no peaceful co-existence.

Actually I never did want Israel destoryed. I always wanted a two state solution. With Palestine being located in West Bank, Gaza, and the capital as East Jerusalem. Check my old posts.

But after the Lebanon attack, do I hope Israel is destroyed? Absouletly.

OMFG, that is a bullshyt reply and you know it. They are going after the people who are attacking them and taking hostages of their citizens. If you are a reasonable person, no matter what side your on, you would conclude that they are just trying to defend themselves.

The enemy is hiding behind civilians.. that is why they are getting killed..not because Israel is evil.

[DontBanMe]

I guess were your from you dont see alot of blond hair

I dont wear gold chains I do aas and I cant afford both....

But thanks for the other complements....

My mom is blonde. But it does look like a ski mask to me. You would fit in with Hizbollah.

[RA]

Yeah. Bret Hart and the Hart Foundation my favorite.



I created that thread, because I had tons of ammo, against any comeback.

Good luck. Your propaganda doesnt work on intelligent humans..

[alphaman]

Yeah. Bret Hart and the Hart Foundation my favorite.

lollololol now THAT is funny!

I created that thread, because I had tons of ammo, against any comeback.

Did you see my reply? There was no coming back. You were proof texting the verse. When you read John 14 in it's entirety, it's undeniable that Jesus was talking about the Holy Spirit.

[DontBanMe]

The enemy is hiding behind civilians.. that is why they are getting killed..not because Israel is evil.

That is not true.

http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/f.../salon025.html

Hizbollah has killed more soldiers than civilians, can you say the same about Israel.

Nasrallah warned Israel for 2 weeks, before he lauched a huge missile into Afula (Central Israel).

Hizbollah actually usually tells its citizens to leave the area before Israel does.

Hizbollah is a popular people's party, its not like Al Queda, it depends on popular support.

By hiding behind civilians it will never achieve its goals.

[RA]

My mom is blonde. But it does look like a ski mask to me. You would fit in with Hizbollah.

Stop flaming moron, Im willing to debate you...not much good when your banned.

[DontBanMe]

Did you see my reply? There was no coming back. You were proof texting the verse. When you read John 14 in it's entirety, it's undeniable that Jesus was talking about the Holy Spirit.

When I come back with a name that will not be bannable, I will make a thread again on it. And I will as usual, put you to shame.

[DontBanMe]

Stop flaming moron, Im willing to debate you...not much good when your banned.

Its a compliment, I gave him.

[RA]

That is not true.

http://fairuse.100webcustomers.com/f.../salon025.html

Hizbollah has killed more soldiers than civilians, can you say the same about Israel.

Nasrallah warned Israel for 2 weeks, before he lauched a huge missile into Afula (Central Israel).

Hizbollah actually usually tells its citizens to leave the area before Israel does.

Hizbollah is a popular people's party, its not like Al Queda, it depends on popular support.

By hiding behind civilians it will never achieve its goals.

Again you lie! How can you live with yourself? They set up road blocks so the civilians could not leave!!! Get passed your brain washing..learn whats really going on.

[HORSE~]

My mom is blonde. But it does look like a ski mask to me. You would fit in with Hizbollah.

That mask is to protect my secret identity....

Anyway dude I would take Webbs advice and pm BC to see if you can work out your problems....

Just keep it cival till then and maybe he will let you stay.......Good luck and welcome to AR......LOL

[RA]

Its a compliment, I gave him.

asshole