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    Quote Originally Posted by johan
    But in the case with Iran they are openly agressive and thats why they need to prove themself to the western world. If the ayatholla and president where both peaceloving people I would support Irans right to enrichen uranium. But they have shown other intentions.

    But my post was mostly in regards to muslims in the western world. Not the ones living in the middle east. A european muslim or a american muslim has no need to prove that they are not terrorists.
    I would except even less from a muslim living in the middle east since they could put themself in danger by openly opposing things.

    Theory is the basis of everything. Without it we are blind and deaf.
    Think about it all you want. You can think for ten years about painting that wall in your living room, but until you get off your ass and do something about it, all that thinking will mean nothing. Yes, Iran is openly aggressive, but so are many other muslims as well.....they all need to be dealt with. Talking about how to deal with them will solve nothing. Action Johan, not just words.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    Think about it all you want. You can think for ten years about painting that wall in your living room, but until you get off your ass and do something about it, all that thinking will mean nothing. Yes, Iran is openly aggressive, but so are many other muslims as well.....they all need to be dealt with. Talking about how to deal with them will solve nothing. Action Johan, not just words.
    If you dont talk about how to deal with something you dont know how to deal with it. Rushing into things is never a good idea.

    About actions. Its not like me or you or anyone else here can go into iran and kick som ayatholla and president ass so we are all talking equaly much

    Anyway off to vaccation now play nice everyone

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    Teabagger says he's not a Jew or an Israeli but he flies their flag to show 'solidarity' .. some of the polititians in Washington actually say to have more loyalty to Israel than they do the US .. ultimitly the entire war is Israels..America doesn't have any real interests in the Persian Gulf, the oil they import from there is less that 6% and there was never any talk of an oil embargo anyways..and the only reason there ever would be an oil embargo is for supporting Israel, like after the 1973 war .. so pretty much every politian that is pro-Iraq war at this point is doing so because they think it's best for Israel..it's certainly not best for the US military considering it's cutting hightech programs like next generation fighterjets to pay for the war, and it's assets are being degraded..

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    Quote Originally Posted by eliteforce
    Teabagger says he's not a Jew or an Israeli but he flies their flag to show 'solidarity' ......... ..
    Why are you so enflamed about his free will, and constitutionally granted freedoms. All your ranting does is verify President Bush's speeches about terrorists who hate us because we are free. Free to support who ever we see fit, and free to oppose those who challenge those freedoms.
    The same freedom is guaranteed to our politicians, and yes even a Jihadist like yourself.

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    well i see both points but it sucks to see so many support all sides but ours the good old US OF A. they have the right i just hope they remember how it was earned.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cj1capp
    well i see both points but it sucks to see so many support all sides but ours the good old US OF A. they have the right i just hope they remember how it was earned.
    Not sure who this is aimed at...maybe me...don't know, but if it is I'll expound only alittle. I am a US vet, let me add, combat vet. I served my country, the USA and double paid for the freedoms I and other citizens enjoy here. Paid for with the shedding of blood, the enemies, and mine. So I for one never forget how our freedoms were won, earned, and protected. I have the scars to remind me every day.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teabagger
    Not sure who this is aimed at...maybe me...don't know, but if it is I'll expound only alittle. I am a US vet, let me add, combat vet. I served my country, the USA and double paid for the freedoms I and other citizens enjoy here. Paid for with the shedding of blood, the enemies, and mine. So I for one never forget how our freedoms were won, earned, and protected. I have the scars to remind me every day.
    Not to go off topic, but when, where did you serve.
    I am a vet myself, server 1980 to 1983, I was a tanker with the 1st mechanized infantry out of Fort-Polk Louisiana.

    And to whom it may concern, yes I reserve the freedom and the right to support anyone I chose. As long as it does not conflict with the security of the US. Regardless of who that offends.

    Now to those who are supporting enemies of the USA, that is a whore of another gender.

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    yea freedom for you, Palestinians and Iraqis get oppresion & imperialism, America already has freedom, nobody is threatning to occupy their contry or subjugate them beneth a forign controled puppet government, you don't need to fight for freedom when you already have it.

    Americans are not fighting for their freedom, they're fighting to oppress others .. doesn't matter that Saddam or the Taliban were also oppresive, foreign oppression is much worse thats why it leads to a big war in which cities are entirely destroyed and 100,000s killed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by eliteforce
    yea freedom for you, Palestinians and Iraqis get oppresion & imperialism, America already has freedom, nobody is threatning to occupy their contry or subjugate them beneth a forign controled puppet government, you don't need to fight for freedom when you already have it.

    Americans are not fighting for their freedom, they're fighting to oppress others .. doesn't matter that Saddam or the Taliban were also oppresive, foreign oppression is much worse thats why it leads to a big war in which cities are entirely destroyed and 100,000s killed.
    first off opression of any kind is not a good thing,but i think id prefer to be opressed by the bush administration than say hitler's both had agendas but they are quite different,in the fact that millions arent tortured,gassed or simply anialated at will.either is bad but id prefer some sort of stability than fear and terror to keep people in check.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Teabagger
    Not sure who this is aimed at...maybe me...don't know, but if it is I'll expound only alittle. I am a US vet, let me add, combat vet. I served my country, the USA and double paid for the freedoms I and other citizens enjoy here. Paid for with the shedding of blood, the enemies, and mine. So I for one never forget how our freedoms were won, earned, and protected. I have the scars to remind me every day.
    THIS WASENT AMIED AT YOU. I ALSO AM A US ARMY COMBAT VET SERVED IN THE FIRST DESERET STORM. WHILE I HAVE NO SCARS FROM MY TIME I WAS JUST LUCKY, MY SISTER WAS IN THE 101 st AND TOOK A FRAGMENT OF A SCUD IN HER RIBS.
    ALL I WAS SAYING IS IM ALWAYS HEARING HOW BAD THE US IS- EVERY THING WE DO IS WRONG WHILE THERE IS TRUTH IN THIS, SHOW ME A COUNTRY THAT HAS NO FAULTS AND DOSES AS MUCH GOOD AS THE GOOD OLD US OF A.

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