I'll never watch CNN again!

[alphaman]

Who'se the terrorist in this case?

Israel and its occupation forces or the palestinian resistance?

Do you know where the name "Palestine" comes from, and what it means?

[Pazienza]

Wow, an eye opener. Israel should follow Resolution 242 before asking Lebanon to follow Resolution 1559.

[kis55]

Wow, an eye opener. Israel should follow Resolution 242 before asking Lebanon to follow Resolution 1559.

Do you even know what resolution 242 says? Israel is required to return territories "occupied" during the 1967 war. 242 specifically does NOT say that Israel is to return ALL the territories "occupied" during the 1967 war. When they were drafting 242, they went through several versions of it, and at one point it did include the phrase ALL the territories. It was intentionally changed for the final version by the security council. By the way, FYI, under international law, Israel is NOT required to return land from which it was attacked before there is a peace agreement with the entity that attacked it.

[RA]

LOL. Is that a euphemism for complete BS?

[Pazienza]

Do you even know what resolution 242 says? Israel is required to return territories "occupied" during the 1967 war. 242 specifically does NOT say that Israel is to return ALL the territories "occupied" during the 1967 war. When they were drafting 242, they went through several versions of it, and at one point it did include the phrase ALL the territories. It was intentionally changed for the final version by the security council. By the way, FYI, under international law, Israel is NOT required to return land from which it was attacked before there is a peace agreement with the entity that attacked it.

It does not matter. Israel has no right to occupy those territories. As the documentary said (which I watch all 80 minutes of it) Israel's main goal is to annex those territories that is the only reason they occupy those areas. That is the only reason they are building settlements in those areas. No smart person really believes they have been holding those areas for 40 years for security.

[alphaman]

It does not matter. Israel has no right to occupy those territories. As the documentary said (which I watch all 80 minutes of it) Israel's main goal is to annex those territories that is the only reason they occupy those areas. That is the only reason they are building settlements in those areas. No smart person really believes they have been holding those areas for 40 years for security.

Since Toenailjuice ran away, I'll ask you.....


Do you know where the name "Palestine" comes from, and what it means?

[Pazienza]

Since Toenailjuice ran away, I'll ask you.....


Do you know where the name "Palestine" comes from, and what it means?

It is utter nonsense to even talk about subjects like that, that is a diversion method. I deal with facts. The current situation, the current reality. The fact is that Arabs are being ruled by a military Jewish state against their will. It is illegal and unjust. The people of the West Bank and Gaza deserve their freedom. And God willing they will have it one day.

PS - The Jewish people deserve their peace and freedom living in their rightful state. But what the are doing to Arabs are inhumane and morally incorrect. They need to live in 2 states. And stop building Jewish settlements in more of the West Bank. Because at the end of the day the Jewish state will have to live with its Arab neighbors, it has no other choice.

[alphaman]

It is utter nonsense to even talk about subjects like that, that is a diversion method. I deal with facts. The current situation, the current reality. The fact is that Arabs are being ruled by a military Jewish state against their will. It is illegal and unjust. The people of the West Bank and Gaza deserve their freedom. And God willing they will have it one day.

PS - The Jewish people deserve their peace and freedom living in their rightful state. But what the are doing to Arabs are inhumane and morally incorrect. They need to live in 2 states. And stop building Jewish settlements in more of the West Bank. Because at the end of the day the Jewish state will have to live with its Arab neighbors, it has no other choice.

Interesting how you didn't answer my question. Is it not a fact that the Roman Emperor Hadrian named it "Palestine" (which means "land of the Philistines") as a slap in the face to the people of Israel?


And I also like how you didn't refer to the Arabs living in Gaza and the West Bank as "Palestinians".

[Pazienza]

Interesting how you didn't answer my question. Is it not a fact that the Roman Emperor Hadrian named it "Palestine" (which means "land of the Philistines") as a slap in the face to the people of Israel?

Ok...

Who cares?

And I also like how you didn't refer to the Arabs living in Gaza and the West Bank as "Palestinians".

They are Palestinians. Some extremists choose to say they arent Palestinians, because they like to engage in a game of sematics. So by me saying Arab they can no longer engage in that type of discussion. Just like extremists on the other side that call Israelies "Europeans" or "Zionists". Some story different song.

[alphaman]

Here are two very good articles......


This one is helpful to learn about where the name Palestine comes from:

http://www.levitt.com/essays/palestine.html



This one is a MUST READ that tells about the history of the so-called "Palestinian people".

http://www.middleeastfacts.com/Artic...ian-people.php

[alphaman]

Yeah, sure.... Israelis are the ones who want to have all the land. Arabs already have 21 sovereign countries of their own (more than any other single people on earth) and control a land mass over 800 times the size of the land of Israel.

It's funny when people try to make Israel sound like the bad guys -- like they're taking something that doesn't belong to them -- and here is something Yasser Arafat said in 1996:

"We Palestinians will take over everything, including all of Jerusalem....All the rich Jews who will get compensation will travel to America....We of the PLO will now concentrate all our efforts on splitting Israel psychologically into two camps. Within five years we will have six to seven million Arabs living in the West Bank and in Jerusalem....You understand that we plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian State....I have no use for Jews; they are and remain Jews."

[Pazienza]

Hogwash.

Fine....

Then what is Israel to do with the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza? Or why are they not annexing these regions into Israel Proper?

[alphaman]

Hogwash.

Fine....

Then what is Israel to do with the Arabs in the West Bank and Gaza? Or why are they not annexing these regions into Israel Proper?

Well, I come from a different angle. I don't think that there will be any solution. I think that it's set in motion and it will end up where it's meant to end up. But it won't get better.

I just think the fictional "Palestinian" people and their "struggle for peace" is a part of the liberal postmodern crap that plagues peoples minds in today's world -- so when I encounter it being spewed, I try to let people in on the real story.

[Pazienza]

Well, I come from a different angle. I don't think that there will be any solution. I think that it's set in motion and it will end up where it's meant to end up. But it won't get better.

I just think the fictional "Palestinian" people and their "struggle for peace" is a part of the liberal postmodern crap that plagues peoples minds in today's world -- so when I encounter it being spewed, I try to let people in on the real story.

Oh no dont get me wrong there will never be peace there. The geo-politics of the situation has changed now that Iran is in the picture. Iran is a powerhouse in the region right now. Eventually Israel will notice that the game has changed and it has to make peace and live in peace with the Palestinian peoples and the Arab peoples. I support the Palestinian people 100%, this does not mean I do not support the Jewish state. I support a Palestinian state living with an Israeli state, side by side. And your version of a "real story" is fictional to many including myself.

[alphaman]

And your version of a "real story" is fictional to many including myself.

That's exactly what I'm talking about when I say that the world is plagued with postmoderism. It's taken the truth out of the picture. To say something is fictional TO YOU doesn't make sense. Either it's true, or it's not -- sorry, but it doesn't matter if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy or not.

[Logan13]

That's true, but If I were you, I would take it a step further and try to realize why hezbollah and all these fanatic extreemist organizations exist!, and what events happened to bring them into existence. If I look back I could find a lot of reasons. Israel ain't no virgin Mary u know.

They exist to rid the world of all zionists. (i.e. US and Israel) Read their charter and quit making excuses for them. When the world finally realizes that these people cannot be reasoned with, the gloves will come off. And the reason for such a campaign will be self evident, kill the crazy muslims before they kill you.

[Logan13]

That's exactly what I'm talking about when I say that the world is plagued with postmoderism. It's taken the truth out of the picture. To say something is fictional TO YOU doesn't make sense. Either it's true, or it's not -- sorry, but it doesn't matter if it makes you feel all warm and fuzzy or not.

Exactly, well put.

[mcpeepants]

Here are two very good articles......


This one is helpful to learn about where the name Palestine comes from:

http://www.levitt.com/essays/palestine.html



This one is a MUST READ that tells about the history of the so-called "Palestinian people".

http://www.middleeastfacts.com/Artic...ian-people.php

A Palestinian refers to muslims, jews, christians, and other who are natives of that terreritory (sp?). Irregardless of what the author wants to thinks of the name Palestinians, there were muslims, jews, christians and other living in the land for hundreds of years.

In fact, according to official Ottoman Turk census figures of 1882, in the entire Land of Israel, there were only 141,000 Muslims, both Arab and non-Arab. This number was to skyrocket to 650,000 Arabs by 1922, a 450% increase in only 40 years. By 1938 that number would become over 1 million or an 800% increase in only 56 years. Population growth was especially high in areas where Jews lived. Where did all these Arabs come from?
By Yehezkel Bin-Nun -

The author of the link states the following above. He gives no link of where he got the information. Also, he does not give the jewish population in 1882 or in 1922. He acts as though there were jewish immigrantion into Palestine.

If the Palestinians are indeed a myth, then the real question becomes "Why?" Why invent a fictitious people? The answer is that the myth of the Palestinian People serves as the justification for Arab occupation of the Land of Israel. While the Arabs already possess 21 sovereign countries of their own (more than any other single people on earth) and control a land mass 800 times the size of the Land of Israel, this is apparently not enough for them.

The author is implying that all arabs are basically the same. The arab natives should go to another arab country. Let Jewish immigrants have it instead. He also says that edward said and arafat are not natives. Their parents are Palestinian natives so they have stronger ties to the land than the author who was born in Canada.

The author is clearly pro-zionist and Israeli and so is the site where this article was posted. There is a total lack of objectivity and it's definitely not the "must read" about the Palestinian people.

[sofus99]

Yeah, sure.... Israelis are the ones who want to have all the land. Arabs already have 21 sovereign countries of their own (more than any other single people on earth) and control a land mass over 800 times the size of the land of Israel.

It's funny when people try to make Israel sound like the bad guys -- like they're taking something that doesn't belong to them -- and here is something Yasser Arafat said in 1996:

"We Palestinians will take over everything, including all of Jerusalem....All the rich Jews who will get compensation will travel to America....We of the PLO will now concentrate all our efforts on splitting Israel psychologically into two camps. Within five years we will have six to seven million Arabs living in the West Bank and in Jerusalem....You understand that we plan to eliminate the State of Israel and establish a purely Palestinian State....I have no use for Jews; they are and remain Jews."

That's right, judge the entire nation on the words of a few fanatics...
You know, not EVERY person want's to blow themselves up, and not every palestinian wants to see all jews dead. Perhaps they just want them to get the f**k out of their country...

[Logan13]

That's right, judge the entire nation on the words of a few fanatics...
You know, not EVERY person want's to blow themselves up, and not every palestinian wants to see all jews dead. Perhaps they just want them to get the f**k out of their country...

If they are not part of the solution than they are part of the problem........

[Logan13]

into Palestine.

If the Palestinians are indeed a myth, then the real question becomes "Why?" Why invent a fictitious people? The answer is that the myth of the Palestinian People serves as the justification for Arab occupation of the Land of Israel. While the Arabs already possess 21 sovereign countries of their own (more than any other single people on earth) and control a land mass 800 times the size of the Land of Israel, this is apparently not enough for them..

The "why" lies in the idea that the Palestinians want to tie there existence to some point in the distant past to give themselves validity, just like the religion of Islam itself.

[zOaib]

no comment !

[mcpeepants]

The "why" lies in the idea that the Palestinians want to tie there existence to some point in the distant past to give themselves validity, just like the religion of Islam itself.

No the author is saying that they don't have ties to the land which I don't get because Palestinians are just muslims, jews, christians, etc that are native to the land.