Pro-Hezbollah Protest in San Francisco!

[eliteforce]

So what..American gives billions to a racist aphartied state that oppreses and keeps the indeginous Palestinians in ghettos..it's the most racist oppresion in history..whatdya expect that those people are going to love America..the only reason Hez & Ham hate America is because America supports Israel and related zionist oppresion like Iraq..lets not forget..this conflict is over tomarrow if the US just gets the hell out of that region and stops bankrolling the zionist racist project..Arabs are not over here throwing you off your property and settiong up check points and bombing your house because the resistance might be there...what do you expect? Arabs are going to like being oppressed..I really never understans the zionis american perspective..lets just be out of the ME..never had problems in SE Asia again once the US got the hell out, there was no more killing and being killed..

[MMA]

So what..American gives billions to a racist aphartied state that oppreses and keeps the indeginous Palestinians in ghettos..it's the most racist oppresion in history..whatdya expect that those people are going to love America..the only reason Hez & Ham hate America is because America supports Israel and related zionist oppresion like Iraq..lets not forget..this conflict is over tomarrow if the US just gets the hell out of that region and stops bankrolling the zionist racist project..Arabs are not over here throwing you off your property and settiong up check points and bombing your house because the resistance might be there...what do you expect? Arabs are going to like being oppressed..I really never understans the zionis american perspective..lets just be out of the ME..never had problems in SE Asia again once the US got the hell out, there was no more killing and being killed..

i have a lot of respect for the Israeli people, and how they take care of businesss. but you may be right. i wish them luck in their fight, but i don't really see why we have to spend so much money supporting them (and then even more money protecting ourselves from the retaliation for supporting them).

with the soviet union gone, exactly WHY do we need to spend so much of our money propping up israel? what is the geopolitical rationale behind it?

[tiger909]

i have a lot of respect for the Israeli people, and how they take care of businesss. but you may be right. i wish them luck in their fight, but i don't really see why we have to spend so much money supporting them (and then even more money protecting ourselves from the retaliation for supporting them).

with the soviet union gone, exactly WHY do we need to spend so much of our money propping up israel? what is the geopolitical rationale behind it?

ppl need to start asking this more often, maybe then well find some answers

[Teabagger]

So what..American gives billions to a racist aphartied state that oppreses and keeps the indeginous Palestinians in ghettos..it's the most racist oppresion in history..whatdya expect that those people are going to love America..the only reason Hez & Ham hate America is because America supports Israel and related zionist oppresion like Iraq..lets not forget..this conflict is over tomarrow if the US just gets the hell out of that region and stops bankrolling the zionist racist project..Arabs are not over here throwing you off your property and settiong up check points and bombing your house because the resistance might be there...what do you expect? Arabs are going to like being oppressed..I really never understans the zionis american perspective..lets just be out of the ME..never had problems in SE Asia again once the US got the hell out, there was no more killing and being killed..

Well let's see. Racist? Aphartied? They keep Pals in ghettos? Sure you weren't talking about South Africa, or Rhodesia? Tone down the bullshit rhetoric if you hope to be taken even remotely seriously.

The US supports Israel for a number of reasons, one of those reasons might be that its just the right thing to do. Israel is a soverign country...get used to it. They are the most attacked nation in the post industrial revolution world. They are surrounded by neighbors that want nothing more than to eliminate the nation of Israel, and why...because they are not muslim...lets call it what it is...racism. Israel is governed by a representative form of government that require real elections and an open and public debate about policey. The enemies of Israel cannot claim this. They are either run by dictators, or religious zealots and neither of those forms of government have ever proven to be stable, or peaceful.

The US left SE Asia after Vietnam and all is good...no more killing? Tell that to the people of Cambodia, Laos, and South Vietnam. Tell that to the Filipino people that are experiencing a growing threat from the same type of religious zealots in the Middle East.

What most of the world knows is that for peace to come to the Middle East there must be a true desire for peace, and a willingness to compromise. Again, compromise after compromise has been put on the table, only to be countered with a slap and the demand of all or nothing. All being the destruction of Israel, and nothing means no peace. The mullahs and clerics do not want peace because only by keeping the people filled with hate for Israel can they continue to hold their power.

The US supports Israel and will continue to do so. And the Pals will continue to find themselves on the outside looking in until they desire peace, and are ready to compromise.

[MMA]

Well let's see. Racist? Aphartied? They keep Pals in ghettos? Sure you weren't talking about South Africa, or Rhodesia? Tone down the bullshit rhetoric if you hope to be taken even remotely seriously.

The US supports Israel for a number of reasons, one of those reasons might be that its just the right thing to do. Israel is a soverign country...get used to it. They are the most attacked nation in the post industrial revolution world. They are surrounded by neighbors that want nothing more than to eliminate the nation of Israel, and why...because they are not muslim...lets call it what it is...racism. Israel is governed by a representative form of government that require real elections and an open and public debate about policey. The enemies of Israel cannot claim this. They are either run by dictators, or religious zealots and neither of those forms of government have ever proven to be stable, or peaceful.

The US left SE Asia after Vietnam and all is good...no more killing? Tell that to the people of Cambodia, Laos, and South Vietnam. Tell that to the Filipino people that are experiencing a growing threat from the same type of religious zealots in the Middle East.

What most of the world knows is that for peace to come to the Middle East there must be a true desire for peace, and a willingness to compromise. Again, compromise after compromise has been put on the table, only to be countered with a slap and the demand of all or nothing. All being the destruction of Israel, and nothing means no peace. The mullahs and clerics do not want peace because only by keeping the people filled with hate for Israel can they continue to hold their power.

The US supports Israel and will continue to do so. And the Pals will continue to find themselves on the outside looking in until they desire peace, and are ready to compromise.

i agree with most of what you say. but i still haven't heard a compelling "real world" geopolitical reason why americans have to bleed, die (and pay hard earned dollars) to support a country that ends up causing us nothing but grief in the end. yeah, you guys feed us a lot of valuable intelligence about the middle east...but we wouldn't need most of it if these guys weren't targeting us in the first place.

i respect you guys, i like you a lot more than anyone else in the region, and i wish you luck in your fight. but i just don't see why we have to pay for it.

[Teabagger]

No Americans have bled or died in the defense of Israel. Do you really think if the US abandoned Israel, pulled out of Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc...that the Islamic terrorists would stop? Serously...that is the more important question to ask yourself.

[MMA]

No Americans have bled or died in the defense of Israel. .

not directly, but if you think americans haven't been targeted and killed because of our support of israel, i think you're seriously mistaken.

without israel, would those hundreds of marines have been blown up in lebanon a few years back? would they have even have been in lebanon in the first place?

[MMA]

Do you really think if the US abandoned Israel, pulled out of Iraq, Kuwait, Qatar, Saudi Arabia, etc...that the Islamic terrorists would stop? Serously...that is the more important question to ask yourself.

a much stronger point. but the secular governments seem to do an excellent job of oppressing their religious radicals on their own. as long as we don't allow any real democracies to flourish, we're all set

[MMA]

The US supports Israel for a number of reasons, one of those reasons might be that its just the right thing to do.

i think you're probably right. but there are about a million seperate worthy causes and battles for the US to fight in the world, and we simply don't have the resources to fight all of them. what makes you so much more worthy of support than rwandans in africa? what makes you so special?

[BgMc31]

i think you're probably right. but there are about a million seperate worthy causes and battles for the US to fight in the world, and we simply don't have the resources to fight all of them. what makes you so much more worthy of support than rwandans in africa? what makes you so special?

I'm perplexed by this as well. Islamic extremist constantly decry their hatred of us because of our support of Isreal and the Jewish state. Because of this we are in the direct line of fire of the terrorist. There are bigger atrocities going on in Africa than any in the middle east. There are men much worse than Saddam Hussein responsible for many more deaths than him in Africa. But for some reason we continue to focus on protecting Isreal. Does it have to do with the fact that Christianity is directly linked to Judaism and if the 'holy land' falls under Islamic rule the world would end? That seems strange to me as well considering that the 'holy land' was under Islamic rule for almost 500 yrs without the world ending.

Teabagger,

Do you honestly believe that if the US cut off aide to Isreal and we pulled out of the ME terrorist attacks would not diminish? That's absurb.

[biglouie250]

they have every right to protest whatever they want, however i feel i and everyone else should have the right to express ourselves and punch them in the face on sight. oh wait we have freedom of expression.....i wonder how that would play out in court. "i plea not guilty your honor i was simply using my first amendment right just like they were"

[biglouie250]

I'm perplexed by this as well. Islamic extremist constantly decry their hatred of us because of our support of Isreal and the Jewish state. Because of this we are in the direct line of fire of the terrorist. There are bigger atrocities going on in Africa than any in the middle east. There are men much worse than Saddam Hussein responsible for many more deaths than him in Africa. But for some reason we continue to focus on protecting Isreal.

when there is oil and or money to be made in africa then im sure people will start to care. right now angelina jolie and brad pitt are handling africa alone.

[MMA]

the US is a nation of immigrants, and each group represents a voting bloc that tends to favor the country/religion/ethnicity they come from. the irish american voting block forced american politicians to put pressure on the British to treat the Irish better. greeks favor greece. cuban immigrants in florida (a key swing state) virtually write americas cuban policy year after year. it's a little more complicated with the Diasporah, but essentially we have a lot of americans who feel they have an intense connection to their "home land" - even if their family hasn't been there in 3000 years. they influence US policy at least as much cuban immigrants in florida.

this is NOT a "jewish conspiracy" thread. my people do it too, so does everbody else. its not a "jewish conspiracy", it's simply human nature.

[biglouie250]

the US is a nation of immigrants, and each group represents a voting bloc that tends to favor the country/religion/ethnicity they come from. the irish american voting block forced american politicians to put pressure on the British to treat the Irish better. greeks favor greece. cuban immigrants in florida (a key swing state) virtually write americas cuban policy year after year. it's a little more complicated with the Diasporah, but essentially we have a lot of americans who feel they have an intense connection to their "home land" - even if their family hasn't been there in 3000 years. they influence US policy at least as much cuban immigrants in florida.

this is NOT a "jewish conspiracy" thread. my people do it too, so does everbody else. its not a "jewish conspiracy", it's simply human nature.

very good post! anyone who doesnt agree with this probably doesnt believe there are "little italy's" and "china towns" in virtually every big city in america.

[eliteforce]

BS rhetoric is it..Israel has a 'representative govt' hmm then maybe you can explain these #s I just took off of CIA world factbook(accordingly 20% of israeli citizens are arab so i did the math and broke the numbers down):

ARAB

1,270,423 Palestinians with citizenship (Israeli arab)
2,460,492 West Bank
1,428,757 Gaza
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5,159,672

JEW
5,081,694

funny that arabs only have 2% of the seats in the israeli knesset AND they are barred from the cabnet AND the arabs that live in the WB and Gaza are confined there AND the WB is full of settlements and the arabs are confined to bantustans inside the bigger WB bantustan AND Israeli arabs complain of widespread racism and discrimination AND Israel holds people for years w/o trial AND Israel has a racist practice of denied 'housing permits' to ARabs and demolishes their homes when they are forced to build w/o one AND Palestinaisn need a litany of paperwork just to get out of bantustan so they can sweep the floor in Tel Aviv AND 'border police' constantly harrass Palestinians ..well on and one

what the hell kind of democracy rep. govt you talking about here??

BTW the killing in Cambodia (khemer rouge) was the direct result of Americas war in S.Vietnam and the carpet bombing of hochiminh trail but thats another story..lest stick to my supposedly absurd statement that israel is a racist aphartied state..

[QUOTE=Teabagger]Well let's see. Racist? Aphartied? They keep Pals in ghettos? Sure you weren't talking about South Africa, or Rhodesia? Tone down the bullshit rhetoric if you hope to be taken even remotely seriously.

The US supports Israel for a number of reasons, one of those reasons might be that its just the right thing to do. Israel is a soverign country...get used to it. ..........

Israel is governed by a representative form of government that require real elections and an open and public debate about policey. The enemies of Israel cannot claim this. They are either run by dictators, or religious zealots and neither of those forms of government have ever proven to be stable, or peaceful.

The US left SE Asia after Vietnam and all is good...no more killing? Tell that to the people of Cambodia, Laos, and South Vietnam. Tell that to the Filipino people that are experiencing a growing threat from the same type of religious zealots in the Middle East.
QUOTE]

[Teabagger]

not directly, but if you think americans haven't been targeted and killed because of our support of israel, i think you're seriously mistaken.

without israel, would those hundreds of marines have been blown up in lebanon a few years back? would they have even have been in lebanon in the first place?

You are partly correct. America has paid a price for its support of Israel...and Israel is eternally grateful for the friendship and support. However, we have in turn paid a price for being a friend of the US. During the Gulf War, when Iraq was raining down Scud missles on Israeli cities they stayed out of the conflict at the request of the US for the sake of the coalition.

The Marines were in Lebanon as part of multi national peacekeeping force. Lebanon had been in a civil war, the Marines were there for the Lebonese people.

The only secular Arab gov't is Syria. The Baa'th party maintains power by keeping its people focused outside its borders. Teaching its population that Jews are like dogs and want to kill them, rape their women, etc...So secular dictatorships are not the answer. If there were peace, and Israel was no longer the "boogeyman" to these people, they would turn their attention inward, to their own gov't, and demand more freedoms, better conditions, better economy, etc...The leaders will not have this.

The media does a pretty good job of showing Israel as the aggressor. If that were true Lebanon would no longer exist as you know it, neither would Syria and Iran...Israel wants peace....but not at any price.

[Ufa]

There is a clash of civilizitions. Don't think the 2 will ever
mix. JMO

[Phreak101]

Hatfields vs McCoys

[BgMc31]

I guess Isreal's so-called democracy is similar to the US democracy prior to 1964...

[BgMc31]

when there is oil and or money to be made in africa then im sure people will start to care. right now angelina jolie and brad pitt are handling africa alone.

Africa has the largerst amount of natural resources than any continent on the planet. Oil, gold, diamonds, uranium, etc. Try again!

[Phreak101]

Africa has the largerst amount of natural resources than any continent on the planet. Oil, gold, diamonds, uranium, etc. Try again!

What they do not have is the means to harvest or refine them to the point where they could be comptetitive against the likes of OPEC. The only thing Africa has that the world wants currently is diamonds, and that market is being dominated by DeBeers in West Africa.

[BgMc31]

What they do not have is the means to harvest or refine them to the point where they could be comptetitive against the likes of OPEC. The only thing Africa has that the world wants currently is diamonds, and that market is being dominated by DeBeers in West Africa.

Good point.

[singern]

I guess Isreal's so-called democracy is similar to the US democracy prior to 1964...

Why would you say that? I Israel has a government elected of the people and by the people, every citizen votes, Yes including Arabs, They have several parties in government, and receive all benefits due to any citizen just like every body else.

The single deference is that Arabs are not required to serve in the military.

[singern]

Do you honestly believe that if the US cut off aide to Isreal and we pulled out of the ME terrorist attacks would not diminish? That's absurb.

its not absurd its fact.

[HeartDocMD]

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[MMA]

There is a clash of civilizitions. Don't think the 2 will ever
mix. JMO

probably right. and as teabagger noted earlier, the middle eastern people will benefit from peace, but none of the leaders will benefit from peace. the lebanese people need peace - i hear that country was like disneyland with all the oil money before the wars.

but the hizbollah leaders will lose all of their power if they don't keep the conflict alive - it's the whole reason for their existence. they will attack israel from within lebanon until israel is forced to respond. the israelis respond, and hizbollah gains arab world "street cred", volunteers, money, international support. that was their plan the whole time and it worked.

and the biggest losers weren't the israeli people, it was the lebanese people.

There is a clash of civilizitions. Don't think the 2 will ever
mix. JMO

which makes me have to ask - WHY do we want to stick our dick into that meatgrinder? it will make vietnam look like a walk in the park, and we will not win unless we completely devestated the region (which we're not willing to do, and would not probably not even fit the criteria of a "win" for most of us).

good luck teabagger, but it's not really our fight.

[MMA]

i'm not an israel hater - i always admired how you guys handled yourselves in a really ugly situation, took care of business, and still managed to retain more humanity than many other nations faced with half the problems.

i was always proud to have israel as an ally. but this really isn't our fight, and i don't want to see our country sucked into it. it would be a nightmare for everyone involved.

they took out 2 of our buildings, we took out 2 of their countries, i think our point has been made. it's "kiss and make up" time for us and the muslim world. those who make peace with us will benefit, those that attack us will be ruthlessly destroyed. if we weren't hated for israel, this will be enough. but the hatred runs so deep, it will force ME leaders into a suicidal conflict with the US that will benefit nobody and could end up with a radioactive cloud over the "Holy Land". nobody wants this.

[MMA]

for those who haven't been following the news, the Middle East is going nuclear. and the leader of Iran is slightly nuts. someday, some as*hole is going to get The Bomb and do something really stupid with it. if they do it to us, we'll be forced to retaliate. if they do it to Israel, they'll do the same. then someone else will do the same to israel. and so forth, again and again.

i would prefer not to be part of that $hit sandwich.

[Teabagger]

I understand. But the US will not be involved. Hopefully the US will continue as an ally and supply arms and technology...Israel can do the heavy lifting.

[humungus88]

Great ally.....
http://www.ussliberty.org/

[eliteforce]

I think he said that after reading my post#55 which teabagger didn't respond to and singern is just ignoring..the propaganda that Israel is a democarcy, every citizen votes, by the people for the people is total crap and I just proved that, the system is jerry rigged so that ARabs never have more that 2% or 3% representation AND Arabs are barred from being in the Cabnet-which really makes their status in the govt irrelevant..and the majority of the Arabs are in the WB & Gaza and are not "citizens" they're status is nothing, no rights..it's much worse than America was in 1964, 64 was limited segregation and no civil rights, Israel is total Aphartied-no human rights-even worse than S.Afrika was during the Aphartied era there and even the S.Africans have said that..the Zionist see what they want to see and beleive what they want to beleive..they then give you this stale rhetoric comparing Israel to western democracys..it is not a western style democracy.

I guess Isreal's so-called democracy is similar to the US democracy prior to 1964...

Why would you say that? I Israel has a government elected of the people and by the people, every citizen votes, Yes including Arabs, They have several parties in government, and receive all benefits due to any citizen just like every body else.

The single deference is that Arabs are not required to serve in the military.

[humungus88]

I think he said that after reading my post#55 which teabagger didn't respond to and singern is just ignoring..the propaganda that Israel is a democarcy, every citizen votes, by the people for the people is total crap and I just proved that, the system is jerry rigged so that ARabs never have more that 2% or 3% representation AND Arabs are barred from being in the Cabnet-which really makes their status in the govt irrelevant..and the majority of the Arabs are in the WB & Gaza and are not "citizens" they're status is nothing, no rights..it's much worse than America was in 1964, 64 was limited segregation and no civil rights, Israel is total Aphartied-no human rights-even worse than S.Afrika was during the Aphartied era there and even the S.Africans have said that..the Zionist see what they want to see and beleive what they want to beleive..they then give you this stale rhetoric comparing Israel to western democracys..it is not a western style democracy.

And not to mention, in Israel, Jews are forbidden to marry non-Jews, just like Nazi-Germany!

[IronFreakX]

And not to mention, in Israel, Jews are forbidden to marry non-Jews, just like Nazi-Germany!

And not to mention, in Muslim countries, Muslim women are forbidden to marry non-muslim men, just like the Nazi-Geramny!

[IronFreakX]

Great ally.....
http://www.ussliberty.org/

For that, I have no idea what the reason for that was, but If that were my ship, and my crew that were killed, with nothing done to the responsible party(still nothing is), I would go out and kill every single person responsible for that shit, there is no excuse for what they did, and if there is, they should be at the very minimum discharged.

But not even that, fvck em.

[collar]

And not to mention, in Muslim countries, Muslim women are forbidden to marry non-muslim men, just like the Nazi-Geramny!

nope that is incorrect sorry to say.

[IronFreakX]

nope that is incorrect sorry to say.

Oh really ????


Says so in the koran and the country will simply NOT allow a woman to marry a non-muslim man.

[collar]

what country is this???

[IronFreakX]

what country is this???

Saudia Arabia, Egypt, Iran, etc......

[collar]

ummm their all full muslim countries.
lebanon has mix muslims and christians and i know heaps that are married to the other religion.

[IronFreakX]

Muslim guys and non-muslim women are ok according to Islam, the other way around is not