Solution to the middle east conflict

[Phreak101]

Not news, but still a good read, albeit propoganda. It was forwarded to me.


A difficult lesson



I once witnessed a bar fight in downtown Olongapo (Philippines) that still haunts my dreams. The fight was between a big oafish Marine and a rather soft-spoken, medium sized Latino sailor from my ship.



All evening the Marine had been trying to pick a fight with one of us and had finally set his sights on this diminutive shipmate of mine... figuring him for a safe target. When my friend refused to be goaded into a fight the Marine sucker punched him from behind on the side of the head so hard that blood instantly started to pour from this poor man's mutilated ear.



Everyone present was horrified and was prepared to absolutely murder this Marine, but my shipmate quickly turned on him and began to single-handedly back him towards a corner with a series of stinging jabs and upper cuts that gave more than a hint to a youth spent boxing in a small gym in the Bronx.



Each punch opened a cut on the Marine's startled face and by the time he had been backed completely into the corner he was blubbering for someone to stop the fight. He invoked his split lips and chipped teeth as reasons to stop the fight. He begged us to stop the fight because he could barely see through the river of blood that was pouring out of his split and swollen brows.



Nobody moved. Not one person.



The only sound in the bar was the sickening staccato sound of this sailor's lightning fast fists making contact with new areas of the Marine's head. The only sound I have heard since that was remotely similar was from the first Rocky film when Sylvester Stallone was punching sides of beef in the meat locker.



Finally the Marine's pleading turned to screams.... a high, almost womanly shriek. And still the punches continued relentlessly. Several people in the bar took a few tentative steps as though they wanted to try to break it up at that point, but hands reached out from the crowd and held them tight. I'm not ashamed to say that mine were two of the hands that held someone back.



You see, in between each blow the sailor had begun chanting a soft cadence: "Say [punch] you [punch] give [punch] up [punch]... say [punch] you [punch]were [punch] wrong [punch]".



He had been repeating it to the Marine almost from the start but we only became aware of it when the typical barroom cheers had died down and we began to be sickened by the sight and sound of the carnage. This Marine stood there shrieking in the corner of the bar trying futilely to block the carefully timed punches that were cutting his head to tatters... right down to the skull in places. But he refused to say that he gave up... or that he was wrong.



Even in the delirium of his beating he believed in his heart that someone would stop the fight before he had to admit defeat. I'm sure this strategy had served him well in the past and had allowed him to continue on his career as a barroom bully.



Finally, in a wail of agony the Marine shrieked "I give up", and we gently backed the sailor away from him.



I'm sure you can guess why I have shared this story today. I'm not particularly proud to have been witness to such a bloody spectacle, and the sound of that Marine's woman-like shrieks will haunt me to my grave. But I learned something that evening that Israel had better learn for itself if it is to finally be rid of at least one of its tormentors:



This is one time an Arab aggressor must be allowed to be beaten so badly that every civilized nation will stand in horror, wanting desperately to step in and stop the carnage... but knowing that the fight will only truly be over when one side gives up and finally admits defeat. Just as every person who had ever rescued that bully from admitting defeat helped create the cowardly brute I saw that evening in the bar, every well-intentioned power that has ever stepped in and negotiated a ceasefire for an Arab aggressor has helped create the monsters we see around us today.



President Lahoud of Lebanon, a big Hezbollah supporter and a close ally of Syria, has been shrieking non-stop to the UN Security Council for the past two days to get them to force Israel into a cease fire.



Clearly he has been reading his autographed copy of 'Military Success for Dummies Arab Despots' by the late Gamal Abdel Nasser of Egypt. Ever since Nasser accidentally discovered the trick in '56, every subsequent Arab leader has stuck to his tried and true formula for military success:


1. Instigate a war.



2. Once the war is well underway and you are in the process of having your ass handed to you... get a few world powers to force your western opponent into a cease fire.


3. Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy. That would ruin everything! All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population... and will force a truce.


4. Once a truce has been called you can resume your intransigence (which probably caused the conflict in the first place), and even declare victory as your opponent leaves the field of battle. This tactic has never failed. Not once. In fact it worked so will for the Egyptians in 1973, that to this day they celebrate the Yom Kippur War - a crushing defeat at the hands of Israel - as a military victory! No kidding... it's a national holiday over there!



President Lahoud has already begun to shriek like a school girl to the UN Security Council to "Stop the violence and arrange a cease-fire, and then after that we'll be ready to discuss all matters."



Uh huh. Forgive me if I find that a tad hard to swallow. He allowed Hezbollah to take over his country. He allowed the regular Lebanese army to provide radar targeting data for the Hezbollah missile that struck the Israeli destroyer. He has turned a blind eye while Iranian and Syrian weapons, advisers and money have poured into his country. And now that his country is in ruins he wants to call it a draw. As much as it may sicken the world to stand by and watch it happen, strong hands need to hold back the weak-hearted and let the fight continue until one side finally admits unambiguous defeat.

[Teabagger]

Thats a fact Jack!!!

[tiger909]

well the marine was the sole person responsible for fukin with the latino....israel is carpet bombing an entire country....dont attach silly, fake analogies to situations where thousands of ppl are dying on both sides

[Teabagger]

well the marine was the sole person responsible for fukin with the latino....israel is carpet bombing an entire country....dont attach silly, fake analogies to situations where thousands of ppl are dying on both sides

"carpet bombing"? Do you even know what that is, or are you just trying to mislead members by your lies? I don't think Israel has the capability to execute carpet bombing....that is done by very large bombers like the B-52, the bombs are dumb and dropped by the hundreds at once....so no there was no carpet bombing, and I found the anaolgy pretty much on target.

[tiger909]

sorry wrong term...but my cousin who was in lebanon told me of entire 2 to three block urban areas completely destroyed by air campaigns..sorry that sounded like carpet bombing to me....my bad, its just widescale bombing

[Venomous Nemisis]

Carpet bombing??!!
Arab Countries are true to this form of "War"
Hezbollah is a State supported terrorist group and please save me the "one persons terrorist is another persons freedom fighter" Hezbollah is a ragtag bunch of cowards that use their own people as shields by enguaging an enemy then hiding Hezbollah

[Venomous Nemisis]

Tiger did you participate in the LA protest that was sympathetis with Lebanon
my hero

[tiger909]

Tiger did you participate in the LA protest that was sympathetis with Lebanon
my hero

no i dont believe protests ever achieve anything


oh, and who the fvck are you?

[Venomous Nemisis]

Listen kid
insted of listening to whatever shyt your being spoon-fed and basing your retarded 20year old insight off what your cousin told you, why don't YOU go out and get some real world experience, and I don't mean mopping floors

[tiger909]

this is why ur not credible...u dont even know me, i think everything out myself, and suport nothin but peace and freedom...ask teabagger, even though we have differences, he knows that i am not in the least bit hateful towards him or any1 else here, nor do myactions follow a certain idealogy which u are referring to...dont let the avatar fool you
t909

[humungus88]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249JaIaubVw

[tiger909]

doesnt work

[humungus88]

Works now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249JaIaubVw

[Teabagger]

this is why ur not credible...u dont even know me, i think everything out myself, and suport nothin but peace and freedom...ask teabagger, even though we have differences, he knows that i am not in the least bit hateful towards him or any1 else here, nor do myactions follow a certain idealogy which u are referring to...dont let the avatar fool you
t909

I do have to say tiger does not just spout the propaganda. We disagree on alot but I like posting with him.

[k0nsl]

Listen kid
insted of listening to whatever shyt your being spoon-fed and basing your retarded 20year old insight off what your cousin told you, why don't YOU go out and get some real world experience, and I don't mean mopping floors

Good advice. I suggest you put it to good use - heal thyself.

[Logan13]

Good advice. I suggest you put it to good use - heal thyself.

You should have read his profile before posting, if you would you may feel silly now.

[tiger909]

Works now
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=249JaIaubVw

halloway is a great debator

[k0nsl]

You should have read his profile before posting, if you would you may feel silly now.

I read it and I don't feel silly at all. Being used to fight useless and meaningless wars on the other hand would make me feel silly.

[Teabagger]

I read it and I don't feel silly at all. Being used to fight useless and meaningless wars on the other hand would make me feel silly.

Your village misses its idiot..................hurry home.

[BgMc31]

There is no denying that Hezbollah is wrong. The whole freedom fighter crap is beyond me. But Isreal is equally wrong as well. I agree that Isreal has a right to defend itself but killing hundreds of women and children isn't the answer. To me Isreal is acting like the brother of the neighborhood bully (in most middle easterns that means the US). What I mean is everyone knows the neighborhood bullies little brother will talk sh*t and provoke fights with anyone because he knows his big brother, whom everyone is afraid of will come to his aide and back him without any justification or reason. Isreal is doing the exact same thing. No matter how much devastation Isreal reaps on Lebanon or Gaza or anywhere else, the international community won't do anything for fear that the US will retaliate in support of Isreal.

The best suggestion to the middle eastern conflicts is leave all of them alone. Step back and watch them all destroy themselves eventually. But since that will never happen, has anyone here ever wondered why these groups even exist. And I really don't think it's just because these countries want to spread Islam. This bullsh*t of my God is better than your God is what the real powerbrokers use to tell the ignorant masses in order for them to fight and die for them. Just my .02

[humungus88]

There is no denying that Hezbollah is wrong. The whole freedom fighter crap is beyond me. But Isreal is equally wrong as well. I agree that Isreal has a right to defend itself but killing hundreds of women and children isn't the answer. To me Isreal is acting like the brother of the neighborhood bully (in most middle easterns that means the US). What I mean is everyone knows the neighborhood bullies little brother will talk sh*t and provoke fights with anyone because he knows his big brother, whom everyone is afraid of will come to his aide and back him without any justification or reason. Isreal is doing the exact same thing. No matter how much devastation Isreal reaps on Lebanon or Gaza or anywhere else, the international community won't do anything for fear that the US will retaliate in support of Isreal.

The best suggestion to the middle eastern conflicts is leave all of them alone. Step back and watch them all destroy themselves eventually. But since that will never happen, has anyone here ever wondered why these groups even exist. And I really don't think it's just because these countries want to spread Islam. This bullsh*t of my God is better than your God is what the real powerbrokers use to tell the ignorant masses in order for them to fight and die for them. Just my .02

That will never happen as long as the Zionists control our government and media.

[BgMc31]

That will never happen as long as the Zionists control our government and media.

I've heard this a number of times, but I have yet to hear evidence of this. Please expound. As far as I know there has been very few Jews in high government positions. There has never been a Jewish president and if memory serves me correctly, very few Jewish Congressmen/women, and only one Jewish supreme court justice. The media does have many Jews at controls of much programming, but most of the media is now controlled by conservative christians and supporters of Bush.

[humungus88]

I've heard this a number of times, but I have yet to hear evidence of this. Please expound. As far as I know there has been very few Jews in high government positions. There has never been a Jewish president and if memory serves me correctly, very few Jewish Congressmen/women, and only one Jewish supreme court justice. The media does have many Jews at controls of much programming, but most of the media is now controlled by conservative christians and supporters of Bush.

http://www.wrmea.org/us_aid_to_israel/index.htm
http://www.jpost.com/servlet/Satelli...icle%2FPrinter
http://www.theoccidentalquarterly.co...rstandIII.html

The picture (below) is newly-appointed White House chief of staff, Joshua Bolten, with Rabbi Shemtov and other Rabbis who share the racist beliefs against non-Jews

[humungus88]

Also:
http://www.israeleconomy.org/strat1.htm
http://www.vho.org/tr/2002/1/tr09israel.html

[k0nsl]

Your village misses its idiot..................hurry home.

So I'm a village idiot because I think its useless and meaningless to fight wars we were never supposed to win?

[k0nsl]

I've heard this a number of times, but I have yet to hear evidence of this. Please expound. As far as I know there has been very few Jews in high government positions. There has never been a Jewish president and if memory serves me correctly, very few Jewish Congressmen/women, and only one Jewish supreme court justice. The media does have many Jews at controls of much programming, but most of the media is now controlled by conservative christians and supporters of Bush.

Here is a incomplete list of Jews running the media:
http://www.simpletoremember.com/vita...-Hollywood.htm

[Phreak101]

well the marine was the sole person responsible for fukin with the latino....israel is carpet bombing an entire country....dont attach silly, fake analogies to situations where thousands of ppl are dying on both sides

And you don't throw out military terminology trying to sound intelligent

I ADMITTED it was propoganda in my post and you still insult my post and me. Here's an idea, look up the meaning of the word "carpet bombing". If Israel was carpet bombing Lebanon, there wouldn't be any Lebanon left...

[Phreak101]

sorry wrong term...but my cousin who was in lebanon told me of entire 2 to three block urban areas completely destroyed by air campaigns..sorry that sounded like carpet bombing to me....my bad, its just widescale bombing

It is NOT widescale bombing! Jesus, I hope the people of the Arab world aren't all as uniformed as this...

These are tactical strikes against military targets, and the REASON civiliians are dying en masse is because Hez puts tanks, rockets, etc NEAR civiliian buildings.

Go to yahoo.com and watch Kevin Sites in the Hot Zone. In one of his videos, he is in a Lebanese hospital asking a doctor why there are tanks parked outside the hospital. The doc says they have asked the Lebanese army to move the tanks and they refused....gee I wonder why they would park tanks outside of a hospital, I guess it WOULD be pretty convenient for Hez if Israel bombed the hospital while trying to bomb the tanks, then they could...oh wait, Ill just use my "silly post"...

"3. Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy. That would ruin everything! All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population... and will force a truce."


Cmon man, it's beyond obvious these people are monsters...

[humungus88]

It is NOT widescale bombing! Jesus, I hope the people of the Arab world aren't all as uniformed as this...

These are tactical strikes against military targets, and the REASON civiliians are dying en masse is because Hez puts tanks, rockets, etc NEAR civiliian buildings.

Go to yahoo.com and watch Kevin Sites in the Hot Zone. In one of his videos, he is in a Lebanese hospital asking a doctor why there are tanks parked outside the hospital. The doc says they have asked the Lebanese army to move the tanks and they refused....gee I wonder why they would park tanks outside of a hospital, I guess it WOULD be pretty convenient for Hez if Israel bombed the hospital while trying to bomb the tanks, then they could...oh wait, Ill just use my "silly post"...

"3. Whatever you do, don't surrender or submit to any terms dictated by your enemy. That would ruin everything! All you have to do is wait it out and eventually the world will become sickened at what is being done to your soldiers and civilian population... and will force a truce."


Cmon man, it's beyond obvious these people are monsters...

Well, I think Rupert Murdoch has brainwashed you.
Show me where the tanks are in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1yvEpsxMQI
And I guess there were tanks following the ambulances?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7wroSYRXJo
And show me the tanks in this video. Israel commits war crime after war crime and gets away with it . They are no less monsters than the people they are fighting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joZpAvxDYZw

[tiger909]

And you don't throw out military terminology trying to sound intelligent

I ADMITTED it was propoganda in my post and you still insult my post and me. Here's an idea, look up the meaning of the word "carpet bombing". If Israel was carpet bombing Lebanon, there wouldn't be any Lebanon left...

where did i insult you?

[tiger909]

It is NOT widescale bombing! Jesus, I hope the people of the Arab world aren't all as uniformed as this...

you tellin me this isnt widescale....and it was ALL necassary

this is indiscriminate bombing of wide areas of beirut, not precision guided missiles aimed at the enemy

http://dominionpaper.ca/weblog/img/b...reandafter.jpg

[Phreak101]

Well, I think Rupert Murdoch has brainwashed you.
Show me where the tanks are in this video.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=a1yvEpsxMQI
And I guess there were tanks following the ambulances?
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7wroSYRXJo
And show me the tanks in this video. Israel commits war crime after war crime and gets away with it . They are no less monsters than the people they are fighting.
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=joZpAvxDYZw

Ok well Kevin Sites works for Reuters, but nice try.....

This is laughable, you honestly think Hez is going to let the media record anything but what they want people to see?

Shit, Anderson Cooper, A CNN LIBERAL REPORTER, blogged about how Hez staged abulances to start driving away in packs right when reporters started doing their pieces with the cameras on....lame. Doctor some more photos for me!!


You're ice skating uphill here dude, all the proof is right there...

[Phreak101]

you tellin me this isnt widescale....and it was ALL necassary

this is indiscriminate bombing of wide areas of beirut, not precision guided missiles aimed at the enemy

http://dominionpaper.ca/weblog/img/b...reandafter.jpg

Hence the analogy of my post

[Flagg]

I understand what Phreak is saying comparing the story to the crisis happening now but Israels enemies are not the Marine that is going to learn a hard and valuable lesson from this.

Years and years of bred hatred is not going to change anything. Unless the "sailer" is prepared to "kill" the Marine then nothing will change at all.

[tiger909]

Hence the analogy of my post

'explain....

[tiger909]

Hence the analogy of my post

'explain....

[Phreak101]

'explain....

You said

"you tellin me this isnt widescale....and it was ALL necassary

this is indiscriminate bombing of wide areas of beirut, not precision guided missiles aimed at the enemy"

My original post for this thread explained the analogy of beating down someone so bad that they are forced to give up. Widescale bombing of Beirut were the equivalent of the Latino beating the marine to a pulp so he would not try to his nonsense again.

[humungus88]

Ok well Kevin Sites works for Reuters, but nice try.....

This is laughable, you honestly think Hez is going to let the media record anything but what they want people to see?

Shit, Anderson Cooper, A CNN LIBERAL REPORTER, blogged about how Hez staged abulances to start driving away in packs right when reporters started doing their pieces with the cameras on....lame. Doctor some more photos for me!!


You're ice skating uphill here dude, all the proof is right there...

I really don't care about (C)ommunist (N)ews (N)etwork. Nor do I feel the need to convince you of anything. I know who controls are government and media, and I know we will keep having to fight wars for that bandit, apartheid, racist occupation in Palestine, known as Israel. So, I'll end it here.

[Phreak101]

I really don't care about (C)ommunist (N)ews (N)etwork. Nor do I feel the need to convince you of anything. I know who controls are government and media, and I know we will keep having to fight wars for that bandit, apartheid, racist occupation in Palestine, known as Israel. So, I'll end it here.

You know huh? I'm glad to see you think you've figured it all out

[humungus88]

Shit, Anderson Cooper, A CNN LIBERAL REPORTER

Anderson Cooper is a Jew You really think he would say anything against Israel.


http://www.jewishblogging.com/blog.php?bid=73125