Good for the pope

[RA]

Tell it like it is...

http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/europe/5346480.stm

[spywizard]

good one..

[ect0m0rph]

What a world, evereyone is so mad and so sensitive.

[Teabagger]

He has a very good point. Mohammad's teachings are just a collection of Jewish and Christian teachings with some pagaism thrown in for the beduoin. The concepts not found or preached previously by Hebrew or Christian leaders are for the most part inconsistent with the teachings.

Regardless, the Pope was not saying that, he was quoting an historical figure. I say to the Muslim scholars...you wanna get pissed about Islam being misrepresented...rant on the terrorists who supposedly do not represent Islam. Rant on Saudi Arabia for the beheadings, and limb excisions. Rant on, but clean your own backyard up first.

[3Vandoo]

He has a very good point. Mohammad's teachings are just a collection of Jewish and Christian teachings with some pagaism thrown in for the beduoin. The concepts not found or preached previously by Hebrew or Christian leaders are for the most part inconsistent with the teachings.

Regardless, the Pope was not saying that, he was quoting an historical figure. I say to the Muslim scholars...you wanna get pissed about Islam being misrepresented...rant on the terrorists who supposedly do not represent Islam. Rant on Saudi Arabia for the beheadings, and limb excisions. Rant on, but clean your own backyard up first.

they cant

it is easier to blame someone else for your misactions than yourself

they are pure hypocrits of the word

[Kärnfysikern]

He has a very good point. Mohammad's teachings are just a collection of Jewish and Christian teachings with some pagaism thrown in for the beduoin. The concepts not found or preached previously by Hebrew or Christian leaders are for the most part inconsistent with the teachings. .

Well christianity is just a new take on judaism and judaism can be traced to yet older religions so its all equal shit on my book

Regardless, the Pope was not saying that, he was quoting an historical figure. I say to the Muslim scholars...you wanna get pissed about Islam being misrepresented...rant on the terrorists who supposedly do not represent Islam. Rant on Saudi Arabia for the beheadings, and limb excisions. Rant on, but clean your own backyard up first.

Yeah I for once agree with you
funny that people are getting upset over this. People get pissed far to easily today. Seems like some people are constantly searching for stuff to be anoyed at, like there arent bigger problems than the pope quoting some old fart from history

[scriptfactory]

Benedict said "I quote" twice to stress the words were not his and added that violence was "incompatible with the nature of God and the nature of the soul".

That pope is an idiot. Violence and war (in the correct context) are very much part of the nature of God. Has he ever read the Old Testament?

[Alex2]

Most of religions promote violence in some way or the other. I'm sure the pope is aware of what is in the Old Testament and other religions' books (e.g. ancient Hinduism books) but the world has moved from anti-Semitism to anti-Islam as Clinton stated.

[Ufa]

If the Muslims get violent it just proves that the Pope was correct.

[Alex2]

If the Muslims get violent it just proves that the Pope was correct.

I agree. But if he said the same about Hinduism, for example, he would get much worse reaction! Eastern nations are generally very sensitive when it comes to religion.

[Ufa]

I agree. But if he said the same about Hinduism, for example, he would get much worse reaction! Eastern nations are generally very sensitive when it comes to religion.

Don't think that Hindu's are part of the problem.

[Alex2]

I know they aren't. I'm just giving example.

[zodiac666]

I agree. But if he said the same about Hinduism, for example, he would get much worse reaction! Eastern nations are generally very sensitive when it comes to religion.

i always thought muslims were the most sensitive religion, why do you think hindus are?

if someone calls muslims violent they get pissed and riot, to me its halarious but are most of them really too stupid to see the irony? if i were muslim i would be alot more pissed at the people who react violently because they make the rest of the world look at their religion as a joke.

http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20060916/...nians_churches

[Alex2]

i always thought muslims were the most sensitive religion, why do you think hindus are?

if someone calls muslims violent they get pissed and riot, to me its halarious but are most of them really too stupid to see the irony? if i were muslim i would be alot more pissed at the people who react violently because they make the rest of the world look at their religion as a joke.

Muslims are very sensitive but I noticed that (which may not be correct) Hindus are pretty much the same.

I have co-workers who follow almost every religion and I noticed that both Muslims and Hindus get pissed off easily when someone critiques their religion. I guess it is because Muslims and Hindus are the most religious people comparing to others.

[singern]

This is all truly Fcked up.
It is unfortunate that an entire religion is subject to this stereotype. The whole planet perceives Islam as a violent culture, granted this is the result of a perverted minority, yet the moderate majority of Muslims, political leaders and religious leaders outright refuse to do anything about it.

The Pope was only quoting from a historical text, and not pushing his own agenda or opinion.
Look at the reaction when Muslims are equated with violence.


Al-Qaida operatives in Iraq threatened on Monday to "destroy the cross and to slash the throats of those who believe in the cross."
and they would continue fighting their holy war against the rest of the world's non-believers.


The execution-style killing of an elderly nun gunned down Sunday at the Somali hospital

Muslims hurled firebombs at seven churches in the West Bank and Gaza

radical Islamic Defenders' Front said Monday in Jakarta. " such things which can only fuel a holy war."

We will break up the cross, spill the liquor and impose head tax, then the only thing acceptable is a conversion (to Islam) or (killed by) the sword."



No college degree necessary to gather any conclusion here......

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[JohnboyF]

This is all truly Fcked up.
It is unfortunate that an entire religion is subject to this stereotype. The whole planet perceives Islam as a violent culture, granted this is the result of a perverted minority, yet the moderate majority of Muslims, political leaders and religious leaders outright refuse to do anything about it.

The Pope was only quoting from a historical text, and not pushing his own agenda or opinion.
Look at the reaction when Muslims are equated with violence.


Al-Qaida operatives in Iraq threatened on Monday to "destroy the cross and to slash the throats of those who believe in the cross."
and they would continue fighting their holy war against the rest of the world's non-believers.



The execution-style killing of an elderly nun gunned down Sunday at the Somali hospital

Muslims hurled firebombs at seven churches in the West Bank and Gaza

radical Islamic Defenders' Front said Monday in Jakarta. " such things which can only fuel a holy war."

We will break up the cross, spill the liquor and impose head tax, then the only thing acceptable is a conversion (to Islam) or (killed by) the sword."



No college degree necessary to gather any conclusion here......

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Key word in the last quote Radical... I'm not promoting violence but there were peacful protest in other countries. Most of the violence went on in... thrid to 5th world countires (somailia and palestine ) war-ridden countries actually. Now thats Irony.

[singern]

Key word in the last quote Radical... I'm not promoting violence but there were peacful protest in other countries. Most of the violence went on in... thrid to 5th world countires (somailia and palestine ) war-ridden countries actually. Now thats Irony.

Yes there were indeed non-violent protests, sadly they were few and far between. But the point of this thread is infact the irony is the violence, and call to bloodshed over the accusation a violent culture.

Lets not forget the violent protests on every part of the planet when the Danish cartoons were printed,
When the false accusation of desecration to a Koran at Gitmo (which turned out to be organized by anti-Western jihadists),
When France was nearly burned to the ground for daring to separate religion from state.
When India was torn, and burned approximately 20 time in the last 60 years due to Islamic riots.
and on and on and on....

[JohnboyF]

Too add to the list.. To a lesser extent NAFTA

[singern]

Too add to the list.. To a lesser extent NAFTA

Forgive me if I'm missing something. but I don't remember NAFTA protesters burning down the town, screaming death to everybody, nor do I remember any NAFTA protesters killing innocent people in the name of there cause.

[JohnboyF]

notice how i said to lesser extent... they did break down the fence in Quebec, tear gas was used, riot police etc.

[Phreak101]

Let it happen. I love it every time these people do something like this. The world is going to get fed up with Islamic radicals as a whole in the near future. I find it absolutely ridiculous that these people have this psuedo-amnesty across the world for hate and violence. I mean who blows up a church right after you get mad at calling Islam evil? Can they be mor eidiotic or prove the point of what the pope was syaing any more?

When they behead someone, its our fault for driving them to it. They blow up a Church, but it's the pope's fault for making them angry. Fvck that bullshit. I cannot WAIT for this "American Hiroshima" that bin Laden is promising the world. Bring it on bitches, we won't be so nice a second time.

[Logan13]

Let it happen. I love it every time these people do something like this. The world is going to get fed up with Islamic radicals as a whole in the near future. I find it absolutely ridiculous that these people have this psuedo-amnesty across the world for hate and violence. I mean who blows up a church right after you get mad at calling Islam evil? Can they be mor eidiotic or prove the point of what the pope was syaing any more?

When they behead someone, its our fault for driving them to it. They blow up a Church, but it's the pope's fault for making them angry. Fvck that bullshit. I cannot WAIT for this "American Hiroshima" that bin Laden is promising the world. Bring it on bitches, we won't be so nice a second time.

Exactly. Someone in here that actually "gets it"! And good for the Pope for actually having the guts to say it.

[tiger909]

fvck these wacko muslims....damn humiliating

[JohnboyF]

Exactly. Someone in here that actually "gets it"! And good for the Pope for actually having the guts to say it.

Having the guts to say what he said? about Prophet Mohammed PBUH?

[zodiac666]

faiz, why do you think there are more people violent in the name of allah and mohammed (PB&J) than any other religion on earth? and please dont dispute that at this time in history there are alot more muslims commiting violence than any other religion in the world.

[Logan13]

Having the guts to say what he said? about Prophet Mohammed PBUH?

double post

[Logan13]

Having the guts to say what he said? about Prophet Mohammed PBUH?

To say what much of the world was already thinking.........

[JohnboyF]

have to disagree Mohammed did not spread violece. Honestly this not a religous thread. I'm not going to start a religous debate. If it was true he should not have apolized.

[singern]

have to disagree Mohammed did not spread violece. Honestly this not a religous thread. I'm not going to start a religous debate. If it was true he should not have apolized.

The point here is pure hypocrisy. Islamic leaders and even so called scholars are routinely insulting, and offending other religions. Islamic political, social, and religious leaders have no problem calling for the "deaths of all infidels and non believers" . Arab and Islamic papers, and media regularly post cartoons depicting characters of Judaism in situations much more inhuman and insulting then anything posted in the Danish paper. Then there is the usual "Jews and Christians are descendant from Pigs" and lets not forget the "Jews and Christians are Atheists"
Its Hypocrisy at an unthinkable level, a double standard which boggles the mind.

[Kärnfysikern]

The point here is pure hypocrisy. Islamic leaders and even so called scholars are routinely insulting, and offending other religions. Islamic political, social, and religious leaders have no problem calling for the "deaths of all infidels and non believers" . Arab and Islamic papers, and media regularly post cartoons depicting characters of Judaism in situations much more inhuman and insulting then anything posted in the Danish paper. Then there is the usual "Jews and Christians are descendant from Pigs" and lets not forget the "Jews and Christians are Atheists"
Its Hypocrisy at an unthinkable level, a double standard which boggles the mind.

Well how can you try to make any reason out of the actions of people that burn down churches because they are pissed off that you call them violent

The denazification in germany was very succesfull. Maby something like that should be forcefully implemented in certain areas of the world to get rid of fanatics

[3Vandoo]

have to disagree Mohammed did not spread violece. Honestly this not a religous thread. I'm not going to start a religous debate. If it was true he should not have apolized.

LOL, god bless ignorance

[Teabagger]

have to disagree Mohammed did not spread violece. Honestly this not a religous thread. I'm not going to start a religous debate. If it was true he should not have apolized.

You're right, he should not have apologized. The West has become so PC that truth has no chance of being spoken, or printed. The author would be fired, vilified, and deported. This is true on so many topics. PC has nearly shut down honest debate regarding serious issues of the day, or historical musings. You all have something to do with it, its the same on this site. Topics that are taboo, words that are censored, certain debates or schools of thought not tolerated....wtf...the PC crowd are actually more intolerant of conflicting beliefs and ideas than your old world "neo-cons"...anyway off my soap box.

[singern]

The denazification in germany was very succesfull. Maby something like that should be forcefully implemented in certain areas of the world to get rid of fanatics

I cant pretend to have the answers, but I do belive that a cultural mutation is happening in the Muslim world. The question is will it unite them against the extremism which is turning the world against them, or will it unify them on the south side of civilised man......

[zOaib]

He has a very good point. Mohammad's teachings are just a collection of Jewish and Christian teachings with some pagaism thrown in for the beduoin. The concepts not found or preached previously by Hebrew or Christian leaders are for the most part inconsistent with the teachings.

if u or the pope can supply me proof of your above statement with historically recorded facts of these acquizations , ill agree with u .....................

[JohnboyF]

Good post brother... and Ramadan Mubarak!

[Phreak101]

if u or the pope can supply me proof of your above statement with historically recorded facts of these acquizations , ill agree with u .....................

Christianity, Islam, and Judaism are all historically derived from the teachings of Abraham. I suggest you pick up a copy of the bestselling book "The History of God". When you're done with that, you can read "The Battle for God".

Both books are very insightful to both the origins and conflicts amongst each.

[3Vandoo]

if u or the pope can supply me proof of your above statement with historically recorded facts of these acquizations , ill agree with u .....................

there thousand of proofs, but everytime someone talks, he get

either

kill
beheaded
shut up because of threats
stoned to death
banned
did I mention kill by cutting him in lil tiny pieces with a sword and the guy who did this is a hero!



Mohamed is a scam, he took teaching from both judaism and christianity and mixed them together in an arabized version of his religion, then he became

your prophet
your general
your leader
your mayor
your judge

and convinced his fellowers that he is so, and continued spreading his words by conquering by the sword, convert or be killed as an infidels.

Im so sorry but this is the truth

now I must die because I have a cyber fatwa on my head for talking and mentionning my way of thinking about INTAGIBLE THINGS

things we dont know exist but we fight and die for! for nothing!

Now I want apologizies by the muslim world for all the million time they call me an infidel even if im a people from the book

I want apologies for terrorism spread on the planet
I want apologies for alienating my faith and my believe that yours the only real and truthfull so therefore im a dog
I want apologies to be named a pig
I want apologies for you making me faces because I eat ribs
I want apologies for all the time your newspapers called I should be killed because Im white, christian and westerner.
I want apologies for 2 million armenian killed
I want apologies for you attacking us first in Jerusalem
I want apologies for all the time you tried to squeeze your religion in my area, in my life, in my neighborhood with your sectarian and sexist ideas.
I want apologies for all the violence you created since.
I want apologies for that sister killed
for the burnt churches and houses
I want apologies for the 200 people I saw burnt alive because they were christian in Timor!


before Islam there was no Islamic violence

think! Sorry you people cannot think, brainwashed by ideas of a few.

my two cents

I support the Pope and no apologies should be ask, ask yourself the apologies you should give to the world before asking for one.

[Phreak101]

there thousand of proofs, but everytime someone talks, he get

either

kill
beheaded
shut up because of threats
stoned to death
banned
did I mention kill by cutting him in lil tiny pieces with a sword and the guy who did this is a hero!



Mohamed is a scam, he took teaching from both judaism and christianity and mixed them together in an arabized version of his religion, then he became

your prophet
your general
your leader
your mayor
your judge

and convinced his fellowers that he is so, and continued spreading his words by conquering by the sword, convert or be killed as an infidels.

Im so sorry but this is the truth

now I must die because I have a cyber fatwa on my head for talking and mentionning my way of thinking about INTAGIBLE THINGS

things we dont know exist but we fight and die for! for nothing!

Now I want apologizies by the muslim world for all the million time they call me an infidel even if im a people from the book

I want apologies for terrorism spread on the planet
I want apologies for alienating my faith and my believe that yours the only real and truthfull so therefore im a dog
I want apologies to be named a pig
I want apologies for you making me faces because I eat ribs
I want apologies for all the time your newspapers called I should be killed because Im white, christian and westerner.
I want apologies for 2 million armenian killed
I want apologies for you attacking us first in Jerusalem
I want apologies for all the time you tried to squeeze your religion in my area, in my life, in my neighborhood with your sectarian and sexist ideas.
I want apologies for all the violence you created since.
I want apologies for that sister killed
for the burnt churches and houses
I want apologies for the 200 people I saw burnt alive because they were christian in Timor!


before Islam there was no Islamic violence

think! Sorry you people cannot think, brainwashed by ideas of a few.

my two cents

I support the Pope and no apologies should be ask, ask yourself the apologies you should give to the world before asking for one.

[Carlos_E]

*This thread was reported to me as having offensive comments towards the Islamic religion. Closing*