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    Quote Originally Posted by Act of God
    I'm a little confused by your last post. You highlighted "lately" as if I was missing the boat about something. I feel that this is a recent trend, and is easily distinguishable from past history with immigrants. When the poor Irish and Italians (my family included) came to America they embraced it and assimilated. Hell, my grandmother wouldn't let her kids or grandchildren even learn Italian because "we're Americans now, we speak English". While that is a pretty harsh stance, it really showed the commitment that the immigrants of that day had to this country. They came here and they wanted to not only become part of the fabric of this society, they wanted to be a contributing member. My grandfather came over from Italy and when WWII went down he enlisted in the United States Army. He died shortly upon his return due to malaria. He literally gave his own life for a country he had just came to live in.

    And you also chose to highlight "true American" and asked why we can't all get along in this melting pot. The reason is that there is no longer a melting pot. Fellow Americans have nothing in common with their neighbor, sometimes not even a common language to communicate in. Immigrants of this day and age come to live with other people from their country, speak the native language of that country, and take whatever handouts this country is doling out.

    A chain is only as strong as its weakest link, to bring up a cliche`. This country used to be made of stronger links. Back in the day it was considered a privilege, not a right, to come to this country to live and make a life for yourself. To expect the people here to change THEIR ways for you was unheard of and, quite frankly, disrespectful.

    It has been said eleventy billion times, but you wouldn't move to another country, not learn the language, and not only expect but DEMAND that they cater to your every whim.
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    Immigrants have been prosecuted, humiliated and discriminated against from the minute the step onto our soil from the dawn of the mass immigrations. Being able to freely practice your religion and traditions of your culture in our country has not been made easy by frustrated folks such as yourself. That's nothing new.
    Being able to come to US is a privilege and believe me they all know that, but the promise of freedom of speech, religion is the very reason why people want to come here, unfortunately it does not come easy.

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    Do you agree that there is, at the very least, a moral obligation to assimilate?

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    I would get banned for saying how I really feel about this, for that reason, i will not comment.

    All I will say is that I havnt been this angry in a long time about somthing political. Working around these people is a great disgrace.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Act of God
    Do you agree that there is, at the very least, a moral obligation to assimilate?

    every group pre-WW2 assimilated to the american way of life(irish, german, russians, and italians)

    post ww2 whether your talking about muslims, latin americans, orthodox jews(the ones in brooklyn who operate under their own law and have their own courts) refuse to assimilate. it is an arrogance, i have no idea why it is tolerated.

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    Absolutely, I would definitely not just include Muslims into that post WWII anti-assimilators. It is a growing issue that needs to be addressed

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouie250
    i worked at a supermarket in my youth. muslim guy got sandwhiches from the deli all the time. we slipped ham in there all the time.
    Thats really cold bro. I hope he isnt reading this thread....

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaman
    I was just telling you what the Bible says. Read Leviticus 11. According to Old Testament Law -- given by God -- not religious leaders, the animal is unclean if it doesn't have a split hoof and chew it's cud. This doesn't include seafood and poultry.
    I'm not denying that the bible says that. I just suggesting a possible reasons some animals are unclean and other are not.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouie250
    every group pre-WW2 assimilated to the american way of life(irish, german, russians, and italians)

    post ww2 whether your talking about muslims, latin americans, orthodox jews(the ones in brooklyn who operate under their own law and have their own courts) refuse to assimilate. it is an arrogance, i have no idea why it is tolerated.

    Orthodox Jews are as big a pain in my ass as anyone else, Russian Mafia, Latin drug and gang influence.......on and on....but the difference here is none of these groups are calling for death to America, or some ridiculous idea requiring martyrdom. They do what they do, but they are not funding terrorism, they are not blowing shit up. and they are not asking host counties to conform to some other religion or way of life.
    Last edited by singern; 03-20-2007 at 12:35 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by singern
    Orthodox Jews are as big a pain in my ass as anyone else, Russian Mafia, Latin drug and gang influence.......on and on....but the difference here is none of these groups are calling for death to America, or some ridiculous idea requiring martyrdom. They do what they do, but they are not funding terrorism, they are not blowing shit up. and they are not asking host counties to conform to some other religion or way of life.

    go to the hasidic part of brooklyn. they paint over stop signs. firemen/cops cant give them tickets for parking in front of hydrants. money they make gets funneled to israel to avoid taxes. they operate using their own rules. a far cry from bombing but it is still ridiculous

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    Operating the Russian mafia in the United States might qualify as some sort of terrorism.

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    Quote Originally Posted by biglouie250
    go to the hasidic part of brooklyn. they paint over the stop signs

    Huh. Why do they do that?

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    That is soooo wrong...but, I'm still lau***ng!

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    Quote Originally Posted by alphaman
    Huh. Why do they do that?

    because they dont obey the laws of the United States. NYPD is powerless in that part of brooklyn to them.

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    What if they commit a serious crime within their "boundaries"?

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    Quote Originally Posted by RamyGras
    What if they commit a serious crime within their "boundaries"?

    well that is different i would guess but the thing is they dont committ those types of crimes. all i know is that in their "boundaries" as you say, they make the rules. for example: there is a hasidic ambulance core that wont touch female patients. thats right if your a female and in a car accident they wont take you. EMT's and medics would be stripped of their license in normal circumstances but somehow they operate like this.

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