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    Remember Global Cooling?

    Remember Global Cooling?
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    In April, 1975, in an issue mostly taken up with stories about the collapse of the American-backed government of South Vietnam, NEWSWEEK published a small back-page article about a very different kind of disaster. Citing "ominous signs that the earth's weather patterns have begun to change dramatically," the magazine warned of an impending "drastic decline in food production." Political disruptions stemming from food shortages could affect "just about every nation on earth." Scientists urged governments to consider emergency action to head off the terrible threat of . . . well, if you had been following the climate-change debates at the time, you'd have known that the threat was: global cooling.
    More than 30 years later, that little story is still being quoted regularly—as recently as last month on the floor of the Senate by Republican Sen. James Inhofe, chair of the Environment and Public Works Committee and the self-proclaimed scourge of climate alarmists. The article's appeal to Inhofe, of course, is not its prescience, but the fact that it was so spectacularly wrong about the near-term future. Even by the time it appeared, a decades-long trend toward slightly cooler temperatures in the Northern hemisphere had already begun to reverse itself—although that wouldn't be apparent in the data for a few years yet—leading to today's widespread consensus among scientists that the real threat is actually human-caused global warming. In fact, as Inhofe pointed out, for more than 100 years journalists have quoted scientists predicting the destruction of civilization by, in alternation, either runaway heat or a new Ice Age. The implication he draws is that if you're not worried about being trampled by a stampede of woolly mammoths through downtown Chicago, you don't have to believe what the media is saying about global warming, either.

    But is that the right lesson to draw? How did NEWSWEEK—or for that matter, Time magazine, which also ran a story on the subject in the mid-1970s—get things so wrong? In fact, the story wasn't "wrong" in the journalistic sense of "inaccurate." Some scientists indeed thought the Earth might be cooling in the 1970s, and some laymen—even one as sophisticated and well-educated as Isaac Asimov—saw potentially dire implications for climate and food production. After all, Ice Ages were common in Earth's history; if anything, the warm "interglacial" period in which human civilization evolved, and still exists, is the exception. The cause of these periodic climatic shifts is still being studied and debated, but many scientists believe they are influenced by small changes in the Earth's orbit around the Sun (including its "eccentricity," or the extent to which it deviates from a perfect circle) and the tilt of its rotation. As calculated by the mathematician Milutin Milankovitch in the 1920s, these factors vary on interlocking cycles of around 20,000, 40,000 and 100,000 years, and if nothing else changed they would be certain to bring on a new Ice Age at some time. In the 1970s, there were scientists who thought this shift might be imminent; more recent data, according to William Connolley, a climate scientist at the British Antarctic Survey who has made a hobby of studying Ice Age predictions, suggest that it might be much farther off.
    But in any case, climatologists now are mostly agreed that human impacts will swamp the effects of the Milankovitch cycles. The question has been, which specific impacts? In the mid-1970s, scientists were focusing on an increase of dust and "aerosols" (suspended droplets of liquid, mostly sulfuric acid) in the atmosphere. These, the result of increased agriculture and burning of coal in power plants, lower the Earth's temperature by reflecting sunlight back into space. Ironically, clean-air laws in North America and Europe had the effect of reducing aerosols (which cause acid rain), so the predominant influence on climate now is the buildup of carbon dioxide—which traps the Earth's heat in the lower atmosphere and contributes to global warming.
    As late as 1992, in a story that for some reason has gotten far less attention, NEWSWEEK revisited the Ice Age threat, this time posing it as a perverse consequence of the greenhouse effect. Citing the theories of an "amateur scientist and professional prophet of doom named John Hamaker," the article raised the specter that a small increase in air temperature could cause more snow to fall in places like northern Greenland, where the ground is often bare. (Extremely cold air doesn't hold enough moisture for a good snowfall.) Increased snow cover, by reflecting more sunlight back into space, could trigger a return of the glaciers to North America. Although the intricate web of positive and negative feedbacks that control climate are still not fully understood, that particular scenario hasn't gotten much attention in the last decade.
    The point to remember, says Connolley, is that predictions of global cooling never approached the kind of widespread scientific consensus that supports the greenhouse effect today. And for good reason: the tools scientists have at their disposal now—vastly more data, incomparably faster computers and infinitely more sophisticated mathematical models—render any forecasts from 1975 as inoperative as the predictions being made around the same time about the inevitable triumph of communism. Astronomers have been warning for decades that life on Earth could be wiped out by a collision with a giant meteorite; it hasn't happened yet, but that doesn't mean that journalists have been dupes or alarmists for reporting this news. Citizens can judge for themselves what constitutes a prudent response-which, indeed, is what occurred 30 years ago. All in all, it's probably just as well that society elected not to follow one of the possible solutions mentioned in the NEWSWEEK article: to pour soot over the Arctic ice cap, to help it melt.

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    good article... what in the world....

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    It's simple Logan, the liberals need to install fear so that they can justify a bigger more controlling government. To create fear they need an epidemic(or pandemic for that matter) and we MUST act now or we will all die. These epidemics are fads that come and go, when global cooling or warming die down there will be another one to take it's place. Hollywood will decide what it gets to be and only a liberal can save us because the evil Republicans will do nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    The point to remember, says Connolley, is that predictions of global cooling never approached the kind of widespread scientific consensus that supports the greenhouse effect today. And for good reason: the tools scientists have at their disposal now—vastly more data, incomparably faster computers and infinitely more sophisticated mathematical models—render any forecasts from 1975 as inoperative as the predictions being made around the same time about the inevitable triumph of communism. Astronomers have been warning for decades that life on Earth could be wiped out by a collision with a giant meteorite; it hasn't happened yet, but that doesn't mean that journalists have been dupes or alarmists for reporting this news. Citizens can judge for themselves what constitutes a prudent response-which, indeed, is what occurred 30 years ago. All in all, it's probably just as well that society elected not to follow one of the possible solutions mentioned in the NEWSWEEK article: to pour soot over the Arctic ice cap, to help it melt.
    I have to say that I am getting a bit fed up with the consensus argument even though I have myself used it in the past. If there is a consensus there is probably something going on. But science doesnt work by consensus. Either something is right or its wrong. It doesnt matter what scientists belive. It it cant be proven right more work needs to be done. If someone can make a climate modell that accounts for cloud formation and that can reproduce the climate of the last 100 years without 19 fudge factors then Im sure no one would have any objections anymore.

    The whole global warming thing is becoming to politicized. Science works best when nobody is interfering, especialy not politicians. The attempts to smear Svensmark and Lomborg for instance is disgusting.

    Tax the shit out of Pollutants that we know are harmfull and co2 will automaticly go down. Problem solved. Pollutants kill hundrads of thousands now, GW might kill in 50 years. Coal is shit, oil is shit, it doesnt take GW to realise that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kärnfysikern
    I have to say that I am getting a bit fed up with the consensus argument even though I have myself used it in the past. If there is a consensus there is probably something going on. But science doesnt work by consensus. Either something is right or its wrong. It doesnt matter what scientists belive. It it cant be proven right more work needs to be done. If someone can make a climate modell that accounts for cloud formation and that can reproduce the climate of the last 100 years without 19 fudge factors then Im sure no one would have any objections anymore.

    The whole global warming thing is becoming to politicized. Science works best when nobody is interfering, especialy not politicians. The attempts to smear Svensmark and Lomborg for instance is disgusting.

    Tax the shit out of Pollutants that we know are harmfull and co2 will automaticly go down. Problem solved. Pollutants kill hundrads of thousands now, GW might kill in 50 years. Coal is shit, oil is shit, it doesnt take GW to realise that.
    Point is that it is only a theory. Those who so quickly embrace this theory are the same ones' who embraced the Global Cooling theory as well. I find it strange that some are so willing to believe in such theories, even when there is legitimate arguments against it. These are the same people who will never affirm world terrorist intelligence, since it was wrong once......just as wrong as the Global Cooling theory was. It is political.

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    regardless of what the crusade de jur is at some point in a world where the population doubles every 50 years (compounding) at some point there are going to be enviromental consequeses.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kratos
    regardless of what the crusade de jur is at some point in a world where the population doubles every 50 years (compounding) at some point there are going to be enviromental consequeses.
    As long as man takes mother nature out of the equation, the population will continue to skyrocket. Survival of the Fittest no longer applies. This may be harsh, but it is true nonetheless.

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    I heard the other day that the only poll of "experts" ever done showed that just over 50% buy into the whole global warming thing. Not much of a consensus...



    Quote Originally Posted by Kärnfysikern
    I have to say that I am getting a bit fed up with the consensus argument even though I have myself used it in the past. If there is a consensus there is probably something going on. But science doesnt work by consensus. Either something is right or its wrong. It doesnt matter what scientists belive. It it cant be proven right more work needs to be done. If someone can make a climate modell that accounts for cloud formation and that can reproduce the climate of the last 100 years without 19 fudge factors then Im sure no one would have any objections anymore.

    The whole global warming thing is becoming to politicized. Science works best when nobody is interfering, especialy not politicians. The attempts to smear Svensmark and Lomborg for instance is disgusting.

    Tax the shit out of Pollutants that we know are harmfull and co2 will automaticly go down. Problem solved. Pollutants kill hundrads of thousands now, GW might kill in 50 years. Coal is shit, oil is shit, it doesnt take GW to realise that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kärnfysikern
    I have to say that I am getting a bit fed up with the consensus argument even though I have myself used it in the past. If there is a consensus there is probably something going on. But science doesnt work by consensus. Either something is right or its wrong. It doesnt matter what scientists belive. It it cant be proven right more work needs to be done. If someone can make a climate modell that accounts for cloud formation and that can reproduce the climate of the last 100 years without 19 fudge factors then Im sure no one would have any objections anymore.

    The whole global warming thing is becoming to politicized. Science works best when nobody is interfering, especialy not politicians. The attempts to smear Svensmark and Lomborg for instance is disgusting.

    Tax the shit out of Pollutants that we know are harmfull and co2 will automaticly go down. Problem solved. Pollutants kill hundrads of thousands now, GW might kill in 50 years. Coal is shit, oil is shit, it doesnt take GW to realise that.


    i think should make them clean up after themselves ie; they know co2 levels are increasing because of their "products" so why not get them to pay for massive co2 scrubbers.after all companies such as shell oil make billions and billions in a year!

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    Quote Originally Posted by helium3
    i think should make them clean up after themselves ie; they know co2 levels are increasing because of their "products" so why not get them to pay for massive co2 scrubbers.after all companies such as shell oil make billions and billions in a year!
    I have read 6 or 7 100 acre deep sea (picture the middle of the ocean nobody is using anyway) kelp bed farms would reverse the rise in CO2.

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