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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    Using your wolves example:
    http://www.alaska.net/~wolfsong/wolf_species.html
    There are 32 subspecies of wolf in the world. Twenty-four in North America and eight in Eurasia. In order to distinguish wolves in the world from one area to another, Goldman (1944) considers the following characteristics important: "Gross average size; general color, whether light or dark, plain grayish overlaid with black, or mixed varying shades of pinkish buff to tawny; general form and massiveness of skull, including weight of the braincase, frontal profile, posterior extension (width of the back of the skull), length of rostrum (nose), and size of auditory bullae (ears) size, and relative length and breadth of molar teeth"...."Interbreeding occurs frequently where subspecies meet."

    Race takes the place of sub species for humans. Since it is not PC to classify them accordingly, as the rest of the animal kingdom is.
    If there are no DNA differences between the races, these guys are screwed.....
    http://www.dnaancestryproject.com/
    Canis lupis subspecies have certain characteristics that are kept from one generation to the next. Humans do not maintain these characteristics by race. We are just too similar to each other. As I said before, an asian and a caucasian can be more similar that two asians. It is absolutely no argument. Study a little bit more and I think you'll understand what I mean.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Logan13
    if there is no such thing as a human sub species, what do you call "race"?
    Black persian cat vs. white persian cat. Think about it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by scriptfactory
    Black persian cat vs. white persian cat. Think about it.
    ...Is still a fuckin' persian cat.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Superhuman
    OMFG!!!!! For years I have been saying that, similar to animals, different human ethnicities are in reality different sub-species of human, much like Boxers to Pittbulls. Each race, or sub-species, has its strength and weaknesses. Why is that so f*cking hard to accept???? It's so obvious to me.
    That is the exact problem! A person of West African descent might have more in common genetically with an Eskimo than with another person of West African descent. There is no way to determine characteristics that will be specific to a person based solely on appearance. My sister has eyes like an asian yet we come from the exact same genetic stock. My aunt and uncle have red hair and freckles, my mother has mocha skin and dark hair yet they have the same father and mother... Humans cannot be viewed in the same way as wolves. It's impossible.

    Edit: Some smart guy once said, "Never assume the obvious is true."
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    http://www.modernhumanorigins.net/anth372.html
    The term “race” was first applied to humans in the eighteenth century by Buffon, a French naturalist (Molnar 1998: 19). Various and sundry definitions of human races have been proposed, but in general “race” is seen to represent a population that is biologically distinct according to some defined parameter. It is also used interchangeably with the term “subspecies” by most researchers when race is defined by biological parameters (versus sociocultural parameters, which would more accurately define “ethnic groups”). The question of whether or not various groupings of Homo sapiens are separate species entirely will not be addressed here since it is utterly ridiculous. The idea of “subspecies”, however, is perfectly reasonable in theory since “subspecies are geographic segments of a species, which differ morphologically to some degree from other such segments” (Groves 1989: 6). Thus, a subspecies demarcation is a division of a species into segments with arbitrary physical boundaries. Their boundaries are based more on degree of the variation of specific traits that do not usually prevent interbreeding.

    The degree of difference needed in the specified traits to allow a subspecies delineation is usually the 75 per cent rule. The 75 per cent rule states that, “75 per cent of the individuals classified in one subspecies are distinguishable from 100 per cent of the individuals belonging to the other subspecies of the same species, which is statistically equivalent to 90 per cent joint non-overlap” (Groves 1989: 7). Therefore, a particular subspecies may have no functional differences in their genetic makeup or their anatomical makeup, and the only difference may be something as simple as a different color. This means that if there are definable differences between definable populations, then a separation of humans into separate races is theoretically sound. The problem is that there are no populations that have 100 per cent definable boundaries. There are no functional RIMs (Reproductive Isolation Mechanisms) to prevent interbreeding between human groups, which does not allow definable populations to form that can be uncritically separated into races. The ambiguity is great enough that no real taxonomic basis for subspecies can be supported, which is why the trinomen (which demarcates through subspecies) for all humans is Homo sapiens sapiens, regardless of one’s perceived race (Keita & Kittles 1997: 535).
    While I am the first to agree that on average certain ethnic groups may excel in certain areas ON AVERAGE (mostly due to cultural and socioeconomic differences), the idea of race and a homo sapiens sapiens subspecies is ridiculous and unsubstantiated BS. It has nothing to do with political correctness. It has to do with science.
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    Quote Originally Posted by scriptfactory
    That is the exact problem! A person of West African descent might have more in common genetically with an Eskimo than with another person of West African descent. There is no way to determine characteristics that will be specific to a person based solely on appearance. My sister has eyes like an asian yet we come from the exact same genetic stock. My aunt and uncle have red hair and freckles, my mother has mocha skin and dark hair yet they have the same father and mother... Humans cannot be viewed in the same way as wolves. It's impossible.

    Edit: Some smart guy once said, "Never assume the obvious is true."
    That's bullshit, dogs can have a variety of eye colors just as humans. MOST huskies have blue eyes, just like most asians have brown eyes - whooptiefukkindo that doesn't falsify the whole theory.

    You find me a geographic Asian with an Asian bloodline who doesn't have thin and/or slanted eyes - and if you find one that's .00001% of the population there and it's an anomoly.

    You find me an African (not a South African European transplant) who doesn't have curly (nappy) hair and dark complexion.

    You find me a Briton without fukked-up teeth! j/k



    So a scientist says that blacks aren't as intelligent as whites. How can you disprove that?

    If someone says black people can dance is that disputed? NO

    If someone says black people excel at sports is that condemned? NO

    If someone says white people have no rythm do people get upset? NO

    If you say black people have nappy hair do you attacked? YES

    WHAT THE ****??? I'M SO SICK OF THIS PC CRAP. I can say that on average, Asian people are smarter than Caucasians. I'm Caucasian... does that offend me? NO

    TO ALL THE UPSET BLACK PEOPLE: I'm so sick of you whining about this shit. Cry me a river, Boohoo God didn't make you as smart as us ON AVERAGE.... But guess what, you can do a sub-4 minute mile and I can't so it all evens out. If I wear clothes that are 4 times to big on me, sag my pants past my ass, drive a POS chevy on 24's, and wear polka dots people laugh at me, but you can sport that shit all you want and get props. You may not be as intelligent, but your genetic potential to jump higher is probably much greater than mine.
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    Border Collie - Compare to ASIAN - Smartest, but not as Large or as Strong as Whites and Blacks



    German Shepherd - Compare to WHITE PEOPLE - Not as Smart as Asians, but Smarter than Blacks. Larger and Faster than Asians, but Not as Strong as Blacks

    Last edited by Superhuman; 10-23-2007 at 06:55 PM.

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    http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

    This is a decent read on the subject. Clearly science is divided on the issue, but it does seem that most lab types (biologists) believe that there are differences.

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    English Mastiff - Compare to BLACK PEOPLE - Not as Smart as Asians or Caucasians, but MUCH MUCH Stronger


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    DOES ANYBODY UNDERSTAND ME??????? I think it's painfully obvious

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