Schwarzenegger welcomes debate over legalizing pot

[NewMuscle83]

http://news.yahoo.com/s/nm/20090506/...ia_marijuana_3

I found this kinda funny...coming from arnold..

[Kratos]

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[NewMuscle83]

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http://www.reuters.com/article/domes...54503R20090506

[jfalco]

I love Arnold. He is so much smarted than I ever would have given him credit for before he bacame the governator.

[warchild]

yea learn to spell smarty

[jfalco]

Intentional misspelling. read it out loud and you will get it.


But I can't spell for shit anyway.

[warchild]

haha i get it now...hey im slow

[SMCengineer]

I love Arnold. He is so much smarted than I ever would have given him credit for before he bacame the governator.

Ummm...California is bankrupt.

[Kratos]

Ummm...California is bankrupt.

that's the point of legalizing it...the tax, so they can tax and spend some more.
They've just about blead tobacco dry for revenue, now looking at soft drinks, and America's biggest cash crop (weed) for more money.

Funny if it backfires, for example GDP tanks because everyone is high lol

[xavier_888888]

I'm all for this and hopefully roids will follow as well . So you will see lots lots of buffed guys high on weed .lol

[SMCengineer]

that's the point of legalizing it...the tax, so they can tax and spend some more.
They've just about blead tobacco dry for revenue, now looking at soft drinks, and America's biggest cash crop (weed) for more money.

Funny if it backfires, for example GDP tanks because everyone is high lol

Oh I know that, but if Schwarzenegger was more intelligent than he seemed, as the poster suggested, than the state wouldn't be in the situation to begin with. I wholeheartedly agree that marijuana should be legalized, but not for the sole purpose of bailing out the state. It's akin to adding fuel to a fire. The only thing that the state will learn from increased revenues from a marijuana tax is how to be more fiscally irresponsible.

[Kratos]

http://seattletimes.nwsource.com/htm...rijuana18.html

Think of how cheap it would be to produce if legal and how much of that 1600 per once could be pure profit in the gvmt's pocket if they wanted to keep the price that high.

No excuse for all the state $$ shortfalls and gvmt deficits. Maybe instead of finding ways to tax more they should find ways to spend less.

Not that I'm against leagalizing pot, just the motives behind it. CT is almost always bankrupt and we have the highest per capita income of any state excluding DC and I think 2nd highest tax rate...it's never enough.

[crazy_rocks]

theres a patient at the hospital i go to who went gyno because of smoking weed everyday forever.

[Dave-D]

Ummm...California is bankrupt.

How much blame do you think can be taken off arnold and placed on the state legislature?

[Coop77]

It's already basically legal here. There are medical marijuana "dispensaries" all over the place in LA. You need a prescription but its a total sham and you can basically just buy one.

[SMCengineer]

How much blame do you think can be taken off arnold and placed on the state legislature?

Blame can be placed all around, including the State legislature and the people of California. To Arnolds credit he did set a veto record (I think 35%), which managed to slow down the sprint towards bankruptcy. However, he also vetoed a tax boost that would've helped cover the budget.

[lostcause]

i dont really see how legalizing pot would produce that much extra revenue for the govmt. one person could easily grow enought pot to keep himself and his family high all year, not real profit generating for the govmt. you could only sell it in bars i guess, but all that would be doing is just adding another legal drug to cause dependency and be abused by the masses and spill over into the health care and puts more people into poverty.

[vpchill]

I got $5 on it!!

[BgMc31]

i dont really see how legalizing pot would produce that much extra revenue for the govmt. one person could easily grow enought pot to keep himself and his family high all year, not real profit generating for the govmt. you could only sell it in bars i guess, but all that would be doing is just adding another legal drug to cause dependency and be abused by the masses and spill over into the health care and puts more people into poverty.

Using that logic, a person could easily grow enough tomatoes to keep his family satisfied as well, but most people prefer to buy them instead. Also check the dependency and health problems associated with habitual use of marijuana and you'll see that your argument doesn't hold much merit.

[Dave-D]

Blame can be placed all around, including the State legislature andthe people of California. To Arnolds credit he did set a veto record (I think 35%), which managed to slow down the sprint towards bankruptcy. However, he also vetoed a tax boost that would've helped cover the budget.

Too right.

I think many local gov. plan on raising the cost of the operating permits = tax on weed.

We need some hard and fast rules about how these clubs can be operated, taxed, supplied, etc. I i think it was Kratos that said that they would just spend more.

The last thing i want to do is let this state have more money to waste. the real drug addict is the state of california, drug of choice is tax revenue.

[Dave-D]

Oh I know that, but if Schwarzenegger was more intelligent than he seemed, as the poster suggested, than the state wouldn't be in the situation to begin with. I wholeheartedly agree that marijuana should be legalized, but not for the sole purpose of bailing out the state. It's akin to adding fuel to a fire. The only thing that the state will learn from increased revenues from a marijuana tax is how to be more fiscally irresponsible.

sorry bro... missed that last post...

Anyway... you nailed it.

[thegodfather]

i dont really see how legalizing pot would produce that much extra revenue for the govmt. one person could easily grow enought pot to keep himself and his family high all year, not real profit generating for the govmt. you could only sell it in bars i guess, but all that would be doing is just adding another legal drug to cause dependency and be abused by the masses and spill over into the health care and puts more people into poverty.

Your extremely weak argument and your username fit together so well. Lost cause = thinking that Americans are educated enough to think for themselves, do their own research, and realise the drug war is propagated on lies, misinformation, unscientific data, and did I say lies? The consequences of prohibition have always been far far greater than the thing which is behing prohibited.

[Matt]

Lets hope they dont do this over in the UK, how else will i earn a living. Terrible idea...

[lostcause]

Your extremely weak argument and your username fit together so well. Lost cause = thinking that Americans are educated enough to think for themselves, do their own research, and realise the drug war is propagated on lies, misinformation, unscientific data, and did I say lies? The consequences of prohibition have always been far far greater than the thing which is behing prohibited.

research usually reflects the intrest of the party who is funding it. so i imagine that the spin goes both ways. i dont see how adding another forign chemical into our bodies would benefit. you are right with the prohibition, unless you have the support of the majority, wich i dont believe you do on this issue.

bgmc, i do grow my on tomatoes. i imagine that if the price of marijuana would be slightly higher than the price of tomatoes. im sure that would motivate alot more in-home-agriculture.

[Dave-D]

Lets hope they dont do this over in the UK, how else will i earn a living. Terrible idea...

Hey Matt, i think you are perfectly positioned if the UK would adopt medical weed.

In my town our weed dealers are fully sanctioned by the Govt. and heres the best part, the prices have not gone down. Still black market prices with no legal risk. There is even a "university" here to teach people how to open thier own clubs. http://www.oaksterdamuniversity.com/

You will be like the richard branson of hash. Plus, think of all those poor suffering people you could help medicate and take their money.

did i mention the tax evasion?

[Matt]

Hey Matt, i think you are perfectly positioned if the UK would adopt medical weed.

In my town our weed dealers are fully sanctioned by the Govt. and heres the best part, the prices have not gone down. Still black market prices with no legal risk. There is even a "university" here to teach people how to open thier own clubs. http://www.oaksterdamuniversity.com/

You will be like the richard branson of hash. Plus, think of all those poor suffering people you could help medicate and take their money.

did i mention the tax evasion?

Wow lol, here it was a class c drug last year but they upped it to a class b in Feb of this year. The prices have gone threw the roof, our prisons are at bursting point, infact there worse. Every mouth they are releasing prisoners early for room...

The UK Gov ship large amounts of weed to Canada every year for medical research...

As soon as they give me my passport back i may look at moving, can i live with you lol

[Kratos]

bgmc, i do grow my on tomatoes. i imagine that if the price of marijuana would be slightly higher than the price of tomatoes. im sure that would motivate alot more in-home-agriculture.

It's pretty damn expensive now at $50 an 1/8 ounce. Drug dealers aren't being put out of business by people growing their own.
All you have to do is outlaw black market cultivation and purchase.
Keep the price a little lower then the current market rate to minimize incentive. The average user will buy from a trusted souce.

When was the last time you bought or made your own moonshine? I promise you it's cheaper.

[lostcause]

true kratos. but i still dont see the benefit to society to legalize it. the same as with alcohol and tobacco. "creates tax revenue," thats what the govmt needs, more money to be irresponable with. "cut down on crime," criminals will always be criminals, theyll just find another way to infringe on our lives. "personal freedom," not if your personal freedom takes away from mine.

moonshine has alot higher initial investment & its not the drink of choice for anyone i know.

[Dave-D]

come on over matt. we will turn my flats into New Jack City!

[Panzerfaust]

Honestly, Americans have been so brainwashed and are too ignorant to ever even begin to understand Pot.

I prefer the European way of thinking on the subject, I really do.

[Dave-D]

Do tell us what the "european way of thinking" is.

It sounds fancy!

[Panzerfaust]

Do tell us what the "european way of thinking" is.

It sounds fancy!

Visit Europe and your questions shall be answered.

For countures that are liberal about Pot and Sex...they don't seem to be killing each other or going nuts like the American commercials would have you believe. Interesting?

[Matt]

Visit Europe and your questions shall be answered.

For countures that are liberal about Pot and Sex...they don't seem to be killing each other or going nuts like the American commercials would have you believe. Interesting?

Sounds like Holland to me lol...

[lostcause]

Visit Europe and your questions shall be answered.

For countures that are liberal about Pot and Sex...they don't seem to be killing each other or going nuts like the American commercials would have you believe. Interesting?

neither are the amish where the none of this is present.

[Kratos]

neither are the amish where the none of this is present.

Do you really think it's the law that's stopping them from using? I don't know anyone who's having trouble finding weed in the current black market. The widespread use desensitises people from dealing with drug dealers. It could reduce people from transitioning to harder drugs if it were legal.

[Kratos]

true kratos. but i still dont see the benefit to society to legalize it. the same as with alcohol and tobacco. "creates tax revenue," thats what the govmt needs, more money to be irresponable with. "cut down on crime," criminals will always be criminals, theyll just find another way to infringe on our lives. "personal freedom," not if your personal freedom takes away from mine.

moonshine has alot higher initial investment & its not the drink of choice for anyone i know.

I've home brewed beer, it tasted great. But it's a lot of work to make a case of beer to get drunk on when I could go get some bud light for $18.
With my $120 ground glass distilation set, that I've used to distil all kinds of chemicals...I could make you any spirit you want.
Moonshine tastes like moonshine because it's made cheap. The initial fermentation mash is sugar based.

Growing is more work and investment then you think provided you aren't doing it outdoors and you want a decent product. No way could you aproach the efficency by growing at home that large scale growers can.
You can get seeds by ordering from Canada right now...people are still choosing to pay drug dealer prices, so what does that tell you? More people would grow, when they could just hit up the store for a pack of reefers, nah man less.

[Dave-D]

Visit Europe and your questions shall be answered.

For countures that are liberal about Pot and Sex...they don't seem to be killing each other or going nuts like the American commercials would have you believe. Interesting?

Bro, I used to live in europe. It's 27 countries, all with a different ideas about what europe is and how to handle vice.

Also I have travelled the globe, and not too many places can top San Francisco as far as liberalism about sex and drugs, inculding most places in europe. But like europe america is a diverse people, with contentious concepts about how to live. Debates like how pot should be regulated in california, does not make us conservative or show a lack of understanding. If there is anything americans really do understand , it is sex and drugs.

Quick question: where you live, does the govt. get a share of revenue from drugs to help pay for social programs or is it just decriminalized and ignored? Or better put, how is it dealt with where you live?