Church posts video of Gay Exorcism; Outrage ensues

[Tock]

Video at
http://www.latimes.com/news/nationwo...,5852673.story

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s29tDh21GGg
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http://www.miamiherald.com/news/nati...y/1111874.html

BRIDGEPORT, Conn. -- The video shows the 16-year-old boy lying on the floor, his body convulsing, as elders of a small Connecticut church cast a "homosexual demon" from his body.

"Rip it from his throat!" a woman yells. "Come on, you homosexual demon! You homosexual spirit, we call you out right now! Loose your grip, Lucifer!"

The 20-minute video posted on YouTube by Manifested Glory Ministries is being called abuse by gay and youth advocates, who are demanding an investigation. But a church official this week denied that the teenager was injured or that the church is prejudiced.

"We believe a man should be with a woman and a woman should be with a man," the Rev. Patricia McKinney told The Associated Press. "We have nothing against homosexuals. I just don't agree with their lifestyle."

The church posted the video on YouTube but has since removed it; it is still available on some Web sites that copied it. The church declined to make the video available for distribution by The Associated Press.
It shows church members standing the youth on his feet by holding him under his arms, and people shouting as organ music plays.

"Come out of his belly," someone commands. "It's in the belly - push."

Later, the teenager is back on the floor, breathing heavily. Then he's coughing and apparently vomiting into a bag.

"Get another bag," a participant says. "Make sure you have your gloves."

As the youth lay back on the ground, limp, church members put a white sheet over him.

It's nearly impossible to say how often similar exercises occur in churches nationwide. But Kamora Herrington, who runs a mentoring program at True Colors and has worked with the youth, said she believes it's fairly common.

"This happens all the time," she said. "This is not isolated."

Robin McHaelin, executive director of True Colors, an advocacy group for gay youths, said her organization is aware of five cases in recent years in which youths in her program were threatened with exorcism.

In one case, she said, a child called to report that his caregiver had called a priest who was throwing holy water on his bedroom door.

"I think it's horrifying," McHaelin said of the video by Manifested Glory. "What saddens me is the people that are doing this think they are doing something in the kid's best interests, when in fact they're murdering his spirit."

McHaelin said she planned to report the situation to the Connecticut Department of Children and Families. An agency spokesman said the agency does not comment on complaints or investigations.

"They have this kid in a full nelson," she said. "That just seems abusive to me."

McKinney said the youth was 18. The boy confirmed he is 16 but otherwise declined to comment, citing the advice of his pastor.

McHaelin said the boy told her staff that the church performed the ritual three times at his request. She said the boy has been engaging in risky behavior that she blames on the church's treatment.

McKinney said the youth went to the church last year and collapsed on the floor during a service.

"He was out of control in the church," she said. "This young man came to us. We didn't go to him."

McKinney denied the ritual was an exorcism, describing it instead as a casting out of spirits. She said the church took care of the youth, providing him clothes.

"He was dressing like a woman and everything. And he didn't want to be like that," McKinney said.

The teen had been in reform school for stealing but was eager to get out and go to the church to have what he thought were his demons driven out, Herrington said.
Exodus International, a Christian group that believes gays can become straight through prayer and counseling, does not advocate the church's approach, said Jeff Buchanan, director of church equipping.

The Rev. Roland Stringfellow, a minister in Oakland, Calif., said he was subject to demon casting in the 1990s when he was at a Baptist church and was struggling with his sexuality. He said he was put in front of the church as members shouted "demon of homosexuality come out of him."

"It caused nothing but shame and embarrassment," Stringfellow said.

McKinney also has a weekly radio program. She talked on Wednesday's program about being "persecuted" in recent days but did not mention the video specifically.
"It's been a hard time for me, but I'm looking good and I'm standing strong because when you have a mandate like mine you're not going to say what you want without the adversary coming after you," she said. "If you are a true prophet you're not going to be popular with the people."

[Panzerfaust]

I don't think medical science has figured out (or cares) what actually malfunctions to cause it, not sure its a "demon" or not though. ha

[TRT,MAN]

dms what do you think about that? do you wanna give it a shot or are you happy where your at. lol.

[spywizard]

Could be worse... he could be in pakistan

http://quranbible.wordpress.com/2007...nced-to-death/

They just go ahead and kill him..

[Tock]

I don't think medical science has figured out (or cares) what actually malfunctions to cause it

I'm sure medical science has figured out it's not a "malfunction."

[SMCengineer]

Haha, silly religion.

[Iron_Pig]

oh well

[DSM4Life]

Religion is a joke.

[Iron_Pig]

It not a joke as long as you believe and I mean you and not having someone spoon feed it to you. I wear a cross around my neck that my father wore In his army career 1935 till 1975 and he said as long as you believe you will never be alone.

[DSM4Life]

It not a joke as long as you believe and I mean you and not having someone spoon feed it to you. I wear a cross around my neck that my father wore In his army career 1935 till 1975 and he said as long as you believe you will never be alone.

I can see the cross having meaning since your father gave it to you but for you to believe by having a cross your never going to die alone i think is amusing.

[Iron_Pig]

I can see the cross having meaning since your father gave it to you but for you to believe by having a cross your never going to die alone i think is amusing.

Why is it amusing ? I have seen death in many forms some by my own hand.When you have been a soilder as long as me you have the feeling you will die one day in some shit hole country alone My cross is my own personal conection to God. So I am never alone.

[crazy_rocks]

I can see the cross having meaning since your father gave it to you but for you to believe by having a cross your never going to die alone i think is amusing.

he doesnt believe in eternal life because he wears a cross, he wears it because of what he believes.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

Haha, silly religion.

Religion is a joke.

Yep, basically...

[Fat Guy]

Religion is a joke.

Religion = Anthropomorphism

[Pocketbattleship2B]

Religion = Anthropomorphism

I don't see how you came to that conclusion.
How does Religion = Anthropomorphism?

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

I don't see how you came to that conclusion.
How does Religion = Anthropomorphism?

Google the word and maybe it will make more sense.

[Pocketbattleship2B]

Google the word and maybe it will make more sense.

I knew about the meaning refering to animals being given human characteristics but just got a wider meaning off wikipedia.

[O.fO.shO]

who in the fvck is anyone to tell someone else how to live. If people wanna be gay ffs mind your own business.

[thegodfather]

I'm sure medical science has figured out it's not a "malfunction."

Well Tock, you know my position on this as a libertarian, people can live however they want. However, by concluding that homosexuality is not a choice, and something you are born as, then you must take along with that the scientific rammifications. Anything deviating from the norm, is considered a diseased state, abnormality, malfunction, etc. I dont see anything wrong with this conclusion, other than it might not 'feel good,' or would be politically unpopular, but I am really a man of science, and could give two flying fu**s about political correctness and whether or not something hurts someones feelings. I have several gay friends, and dont view them any differently than my straight friends, nor do I find their lifestyle to be morally reprehensible. I have learned that nature provides many things which on the surface can appear to be a negative, and are actually a positive. For instance, the fact that many savonts and extremely intelligent people have a degree of Downs Syndrome. It is by definition a diseased state, although these people are capable of doing miraculous things. But please, do not try to misrepresent the scientific rammifcations of deciding that being gay is not a choice, just because it might not sound good, or hurt your feelings. It is what it is.

"a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment."

[DSM4Life]

Well Tock, you know my position on this as a libertarian, people can live however they want. However, by concluding that homosexuality is not a choice, and something you are born as, then you must take along with that the scientific rammifications. Anything deviating from the norm, is considered a diseased state, abnormality, malfunction, etc. I dont see anything wrong with this conclusion, other than it might not 'feel good,' or would be politically unpopular, but I am really a man of science, and could give two flying fu**s about political correctness and whether or not something hurts someones feelings. I have several gay friends, and dont view them any differently than my straight friends, nor do I find their lifestyle to be morally reprehensible. I have learned that nature provides many things which on the surface can appear to be a negative, and are actually a positive. For instance, the fact that many savonts and extremely intelligent people have a degree of Downs Syndrome. It is by definition a diseased state, although these people are capable of doing miraculous things. But please, do not try to misrepresent the scientific rammifcations of deciding that being gay is not a choice, just because it might not sound good, or hurt your feelings. It is what it is.

"a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment."

I stopped reading right there. Who decides what norm is ?

[thegodfather]

I stopped reading right there. Who decides what norm is ?

Biologically/Physically speaking? Modern medicine...

Remember that statement you made the next time you go into the ER in cardiac arrest ok. Or maybe if you are ever diagnosed with cancer, just tell the doc, who are you to determine that dysplasia and hyperplasia aren't normal?

[DSM4Life]

Biologically/Physically speaking? Modern medicine...

Remember that statement you made the next time you go into the ER in cardiac arrest ok. Or maybe if you are ever diagnosed with cancer, just tell the doc, who are you to determine that dysplasia and hyperplasia aren't normal?

Should i post all the recent scientific facts/studys on a gay gene or do they just not count ?

[Dave-D]

malfunction? really?

So is jerking off a malfunction since it is not intended for normal procreation?

gay-straight-bi-fatgirls-blondgirls-big boobs-litlle boobs-asian-etc it is all just sexual preference, no big deal.

People used to think inter-racial relations were wrong also, but it is all just sex. Relax, it's normal.

[Tock]

Well Tock, you know my position on this as a libertarian, people can live however they want. However, by concluding that homosexuality is not a choice, and something you are born as, then you must take along with that the scientific rammifications. Anything deviating from the norm, is considered a diseased state, abnormality, malfunction, etc. I dont see anything wrong with this conclusion, other than it might not 'feel good,' or would be politically unpopular, but I am really a man of science, and could give two flying fu**s about political correctness and whether or not something hurts someones feelings.

Well, I'm sorry to learn that I'm somehow not as good as you.

I have several gay friends, and dont view them any differently than my straight friends, nor do I find their lifestyle to be morally reprehensible. I have learned that nature provides many things which on the surface can appear to be a negative, and are actually a positive. For instance, the fact that many savonts and extremely intelligent people have a degree of Downs Syndrome. It is by definition a diseased state, although these people are capable of doing miraculous things. But please, do not try to misrepresent the scientific rammifcations of deciding that being gay is not a choice, just because it might not sound good, or hurt your feelings. It is what it is.

But I'm deeply grateful that you are a nice enough fellow not to turn away from other people like me. It shows what a kind person you truly must be.

"a disordered or incorrectly functioning organ, part, structure, or system of the body resulting from the effect of genetic or developmental errors, infection, poisons, nutritional deficiency or imbalance, toxicity, or unfavorable environmental factors; illness; sickness; ailment."

Thank you for teaching me this lesson in human characteristics. Though I am better for this lesson, I can see that you are much better of a person than I because you are disease-free, functioning properly, and perfectly normal, which is something that I, a mere data point in the grand statistics of humanity, can only aspire to . . .

It must be wonderful to be normal.

[thegodfather]

Should i post all the recent scientific facts/studys on a gay gene or do they just not count ?

So Cystic Fibrosis Transmembrane Receptor gene, thats not a diseased state? Just because it exists as a gene does not necessarily mean it is not a diseased state. There are a number of intact genes which cause harm. You're attempting to differentiate this one for emotional and political reasons. I am completely divorced from that train of thinking when it comes to science. If statistically X percent of something is this, and a narrow percent of Y is this, then Y is the abnormality.

[Pocketbattleship2B]

So Cystic Fibrosis Transmembrane Receptor gene, thats not a diseased state? Just because it exists as a gene does not necessarily mean it is not a diseased state. There are a number of intact genes which cause harm. You're attempting to differentiate this one for emotional and political reasons. I am completely divorced from that train of thinking when it comes to science. If statistically X percent of something is this, and a narrow percent of Y is this, then Y is the abnormality.

There are FAR more brown eyed people than blue eyed people.Are blue eyes abnormal?And if your answer is yes, is that automatically a bad thing?Blond hair is in the same position.As a matter of fact, there are more males born than females in any year,does that make being female an abnormality?

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

This got interesting...

Im on the fence. I can see where both parties are coming from.

So DSM, Tock, or anyone gay for that matter. There is actually a gay gene? But didn't you say you use to be straight (DSM)? So is this gay gene like cancer and takes over "normal" cells at a certain point in life?


And just if anyone didn't know already, Im all for peoples rights.

[Pocketbattleship2B]

This got interesting...

Im on the fence. I can see where both parties are coming from.

So DSM, Tock, or anyone gay for that matter. There is actually a gay gene? But didn't you say you use to be straight (DSM)? So is this gay gene like cancer and takes over "normal" cells at a certain point in life?


And just if anyone didn't know already, Im all for peoples rights.

Wait, what?

[thegodfather]

Well, I'm sorry to learn that I'm somehow not as good as you.


But I'm deeply grateful that you are a nice enough fellow not to turn away from other people like me. It shows what a kind person you truly must be.




Thank you for teaching me this lesson in human characteristics. Though I am better for this lesson, I can see that you are much better of a person than I because you are disease-free, functioning properly, and perfectly normal, which is something that I, a mere data point in the grand statistics of humanity, can only aspire to . . .

It must be wonderful to be normal.

Thats absurd Tock. You have put words into my argument which I never even said, not ONCE. When did I ever state I felt I was better than you, or anyone else for that matter?

Is someone without cystic fibrosis better than someone with it? Is someone without cancer better than someone with it? Of course not, people in my mind, ought to be judged on their character, and not on groups that we classify them into. Regardless, if there is an argument that sexual orientation is biological/physiological, then I believe it would be classified as a diseased state since it differs from the norm, and under the current definition that I posted, it falls within that category. If you could stick to disputing those facts, instead of playing off of emotional ques or political correctness, I would greatly appreciate it. I would also appreciate if you'd refrain from putting words into my mouth or drawing wild assumptions about my intentions from my post.

Do you believe having this viewpoint based on the facts makes me some sort of anti-gay nutjob? I certainly dont believe it should, as I treat every person as an individual and as my equal, with no regard to their preference for one sex over the other. I dont have to "hate gay people" to believe based on the facts and definitions at hand that it would be classified as a diseased state.

[countrybhoy]

malfunction? really?

So is jerking off a malfunction since it is not intended for normal procreation?

gay-straight-bi-fatgirls-blondgirls-big boobs-litlle boobs-asian-etc it is all just sexual preference, no big deal.

People used to think inter-racial relations were wrong also, but it is all just sex. Relax, it's normal.

ill get dogs abuse for this . but i still think inter racial relationships are wrong . the thought of it turns my stomach . as for gay i dont think people really get a choice . though i think some choose this life style . its became trendy recently with people like robbie williams . one min he is next he aint . ffs make up your mind

[thegodfather]

ill get dogs abuse for this . but i still think inter racial relationships are wrong . the thought of it turns my stomach . as for gay i dont think people really get a choice . though i think some choose this life style . its became trendy recently with people like robbie williams . one min he is next he aint . ffs make up your mind

Did you graduate high school? If so, how?

Race is a socially constructed institution. It is a figment of human imagination. There is absolutely no basis for race within science and human DNA. If you believe race is real, you ought to believe the boogey-man is real, which from you severely uneducated viewpoints, just might be possible.

[countrybhoy]

well i know im white and if my daughter came in with anything but a white man thier relationship would not last long . . if god had wanted all the same color we would be the same color . . but hey you want to call me thick knock yourself out m8 . call me racist if you want . dont care .

[Pocketbattleship2B]

ill get dogs abuse for this . but i still think inter racial relationships are wrong . the thought of it turns my stomach . as for gay i dont think people really get a choice . though i think some choose this life style . its became trendy recently with people like robbie williams . one min he is next he aint . ffs make up your mind

Do YOU believe that,or is that what the people who tell you how to live your life ( you religious leader,your parents,the leaders of your town/city) tell you to believe?

[Dave-D]

ill get dogs abuse for this . but i still think inter racial relationships are wrong . the thought of it turns my stomach . as for gay i dont think people really get a choice . though i think some choose this life style . its became trendy recently with people like robbie williams . one min he is next he aint . ffs make up your mind

What I am hearing is that it makes you physically ill to see people of two dif. races together.

I just feel bad for you that you are so sensitive that you are upset by how others their lives and find happiness.

I will keep it real with you though because I appreciate your honesty.
I am a white man, I live in the city, and I would be uncomfortable if my daughter was in love with someone that looked different from me.

But here is the thing, that is my problem not hers, and In the end I should be more concerned about things like, does that dude really care about her, does that guy have a job, is that guy a worthless POS? Better an honest, caring, upstanding, minority than a user, drug addicted, no job having, no education white trash f#$khead.

[DSM4Life]

This got interesting...

Im on the fence. I can see where both parties are coming from.

So DSM, Tock, or anyone gay for that matter. There is actually a gay gene? But didn't you say you use to be straight (DSM)? So is this gay gene like cancer and takes over "normal" cells at a certain point in life?


And just if anyone didn't know already, Im all for peoples rights.

I say that jokingly . Did i use to date women ? Yes. A lot of it had to do with my environment . When you are growing up what do all your buddies talk about ? Having sex with women. I did the same to fit in even though i would think about guys. It was always there i just ignored it because it was the easier choice.

[seriousmass]

So DSM, Tock, or anyone gay for that matter. There is actually a gay gene? But didn't you say you use to be straight (DSM)? So is this gay gene like cancer and takes over "normal" cells at a certain point in life?


And just if anyone didn't know already, Im all for peoples rights.

Oh my god. Seriously?

NO. being gay is not "a cancer." It's an imbalance of HORMONES in the body, which as a result create an altered sexual attraction. OF COURSE IT'S GENETIC. It's been proven many, many times. Most people who are gay WISH they weren't gay, and can't understand why they were "created" gay.

Being homosexual is NOT a life-style choice. It's a hereditary trait.

Similarly, people who are transsexual, did NOT choose to feel as if they were born the wrong sex. It's completely reliant on hormones. Basically, my feeling is though that homo-sexuality is not a "genetic defect" rather it's a form of evolution.

-- For anyone who doesn't understand why I consider homosexuality to be a form of evolution... consider this: a male-frog can ALMOST INSTANTANEOUSLY alter it's sex, and become a female, in order to reproduce... IMO homosexuality is just man-kinds version of this adaptation.

[xlxBigSexyxlx]

I say that jokingly . Did i use to date women ? Yes. A lot of it had to do with my environment . When you are growing up what do all your buddies talk about ? Having sex with women. I did the same to fit in even though i would think about guys. It was always there i just ignored it because it was the easier choice.

I see.... thanks for clearing that up.

[countrybhoy]

Oh my god. Seriously?

NO. being gay is not "a cancer." It's an imbalance of HORMONES in the body, which as a result create an altered sexual attraction. OF COURSE IT'S GENETIC. It's been proven many, many times. Most people who are gay WISH they weren't gay, and can't understand why they were "created" gay.

Being homosexual is NOT a life-style choice. It's a hereditary trait.

Similarly, people who are transsexual, did NOT choose to feel as if they were born the wrong sex. It's completely reliant on hormones. Basically, my feeling is though that homo-sexuality is not a "genetic defect" rather it's a form of evolution.

-- For anyone who doesn't understand why I consider homosexuality to be a form of evolution... consider this: a male-frog can ALMOST INSTANTANEOUSLY alter it's sex, and become a female, in order to reproduce... IMO homosexuality is just man-kinds version of this adaptation.

are you saying in future years men will be able to do what this frog does .

[JiGGaMaN]

are you saying in future years men will be able to do what this frog does .

i think thats what hes saying. you know its bad when even you thought that was a dumb comment.

[countrybhoy]

i think thats what hes saying. you know its bad when even you thought that was a dumb comment.

sorry prof. didnt know we had mr Steven Hawkins on the form. guess im only missin the red color on my neck .