Man angry at IRS crashes plane into Texas building

[Ernst]

By JIM VERTUNO, AP

AUSTIN, Texas — A software engineer furious with the Internal Revenue Service launched a suicide attack on the agency Thursday by crashing his small plane into an office building containing nearly 200 IRS employees, setting off a raging fire that sent workers fleeing for their lives. At least one person in the building was missing.

The FBI tentatively identified the pilot as Joseph Stack. A federal law official said investigators were looking at a long anti-government screed and farewell note that he apparently posted on the Web earlier in the day as an explanation for what he was about to do.

In it, the author cited run-ins he had with the IRS and ranted about the tax agency, government bailouts and corporate America's "thugs and plunderers."

"I have had all I can stand," he wrote in the note, dated Thursday, adding: "I choose not to keep looking over my shoulder at `big brother' while he strips my carcass."

Stack, 53, also apparently set fire to his house about six miles from the crash site before embarking on the suicide flight, said two law enforcement officials, who like other authorities spoke on condition of anonymity because the investigation was still going on.

The pilot took off in a single-engine Piper Cherokee from an airport in Georgetown, about 30 miles from Austin, without filing a flight plan. He flew low over the Austin skyline before plowing into the side of the hulking, seven-story, black-glass building just before 10 a.m. with a thunderous explosion that instantly stirred memories of Sept. 11.

Flames shot from the building, windows exploded, a huge pillar of black smoke rose over the city, and terrified workers rushed to get out.

The Pentagon scrambled two F-16 fighter jets from Houston to patrol the skies over the burning building before it became clear that it was the act of a lone pilot, and President Barack Obama was briefed on the crash.

"It felt like a bomb blew off," said Peggy Walker, an IRS revenue officer who was sitting at her desk. "The ceiling caved in and windows blew in. We got up and ran."

Stack was presumed dead, and police said they had not recovered his body. Thirteen people were treated after the crash and two remained in critical condition Thursday evening, authorities said. About 190 IRS employees work in the building.

Gerry Cullen was eating breakfast at a restaurant across the street when the plane struck the building and "vanished in a fireball."

Matt Farney, who was in the parking lot of a nearby Home Depot, said he saw a low-flying plane near some apartments and the office building just before it crashed.

"I figured he was going to buzz the apartments or he was showing off," Farney said. "It was insane. It didn't look like he was out of control or anything."

Sitting at her desk in another building a half-mile from the crash, Michelle Santibanez said she felt vibrations from the crash. She and her co-workers ran to the windows, where they witnessed a scene that reminded them of 9/11, she said.

"It was the same kind of scenario, with window panels falling out and desks falling out and paperwork flying," said Santibanez, an accountant.

The building, situated in a heavily congested section of Austin, was still smoldering six hours after the crash, with much of the damage on the second and third floors.

The entire outside of the second floor was gone on the side of the building where the plane hit. Support beams were bent inward. Venetian blinds dangled from blown-out windows, and large sections of the exterior were blackened with soot.

Andrew Jacobson, an IRS revenue officer who was on the second floor when the plane hit with a "big whoomp" and then a second explosion, said about six people couldn't use the stairwell because of smoke and debris. He found a metal bar to break a window so the group could crawl out onto a concrete ledge, where they were rescued by firefighters. His bloody hands were bandaged.

The FBI was investigating. The National Transportation Safety Board sent an investigator as well.

In the long, rambling, self-described "rant" that Stack apparently posted on the Internet, he began: "If you're reading this, you're no doubt asking yourself, `Why did this have to happen?'"

He recounted his financial reverses, his difficulty finding work in Austin, and at least two clashes with the IRS, one of them after he filed no return because, he said, he had no income, the other after he failed to report his wife Sheryl's income.

He railed against politicians, the Catholic Church, the "unthinkable atrocities" committed by big business, and the government bailouts that followed. He said he slowly came to the conclusion that "violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer."

"I saw it written once that the definition of insanity is repeating the same process over and over and expecting the outcome to suddenly be different. I am finally ready to stop this insanity. Well, Mr. Big Brother IRS man, let's try something different; take my pound of flesh and sleep well," he wrote.

According to California state records, Stack had a troubled business history, twice starting software companies in California that ultimately were suspended by the state's tax board, one in 2000, the other in 2004. Also, his first wife filed for bankruptcy in 1999, listing a debt to the IRS of nearly $126,000.

The blaze at Stack's home, a red-brick house on a tree-lined street in a middle-class neighborhood, caved in the roof and blew out the windows. Elbert Hutchins, who lives one house away, said the house caught fire about 9:15 a.m. He said a woman and her teenage daughter drove up to the house before firefighters arrived.

"They both were very, very distraught," said Hutchins, a retiree who said he didn't know the family well. "'That's our house!' they cried. `That's our house!'"

Red Cross spokeswoman Marty McKellips said the agency was treating two people who live in the house.

[FranciscoG]

Fvckin terrorist.

[Juice_E]

so that's what i was looking at when i got off work...

[peachfuzz]

Im not really sure how i feel about this. sad that innocent lives were lost but the man made a powerful statement that i have to agree with. whats even more sad is that it will go unheard...

[ghettoboyd]

ive had trouble with the irs for years...thay keept aditing me and demanding money....ive finnaly paid them back but i tottaly understand the pilots frustrations....exspecialy the bailout part...where was my bailout....the irs dose not forgive any debt....they placed a levy on all me and my wifes accounts 3 days before cristmass last year so i couldent even by my family food....trust me if it happens to you you start thinking crazy thoughts...

[Older lifter]

Yeah, while i do not agree with the loss of life of an innocent, i can fully understand that feeling of reaching a breaking point and having no one that you can pin it on, governments are the biggest thieve's out there and they do it under the name of laws that they create. I don't mind paying tax, i want to pay tax, i want the services that paying tax offers. but i want all my money being used as if they had to earn it, not just a donation.

[eliteforce]

BinLaden also lambasted US "taxes" as justification for his attack, only he was more frustrated at how US tax dollars are spent (they are spent promoting unpopular policies in the Middle East for example) where as this guy has an issue with the collection methods and the amount of tax he is asked to pay..on the other hand if the US wasn't spending so much money in the ME, then they probably wouldn't be asking him fo so much.. seems like another double-standard.. like muslims are so dangerous and they are 'terrorists' but people like this and Timothy McVeigh is just some angry white folk.

[stevey_6t9]

reminds me of side show bob trying to crash the wright brothers plane in krusty the clowns radio station.

[SlimJoe]

he must of been so down on life but i can see why! arrogant pricks

[Mooseman33]

BinLaden also lambasted US "taxes" as justification for his attack, only he was more frustrated at how US tax dollars are spent (they are spent promoting unpopular policies in the Middle East for example) where as this guy has an issue with the collection methods and the amount of tax he is asked to pay..on the other hand if the US wasn't spending so much money in the ME, then they probably wouldn't be asking him fo so much.. seems like another double-standard.. like muslims are so dangerous and they are 'terrorists' but people like this and Timothy McVeigh is just some angry white folk.

Bin laden and US taxes....just stupid as he doesnt spend a dime on our taxes.
this guy got screwed for years by the scumbag IRS. sad someone lost a family member meaning the innocent death.
Tim Mcveigh was a evil scumbag, isolated event, 1 time..not part of any holy war just some sick fvk..the muslims are on what number attack now?

[Kratos]

BinLaden also lambasted US "taxes" as justification for his attack, only he was more frustrated at how US tax dollars are spent (they are spent promoting unpopular policies in the Middle East for example) where as this guy has an issue with the collection methods and the amount of tax he is asked to pay..on the other hand if the US wasn't spending so much money in the ME, then they probably wouldn't be asking him fo so much.. seems like another double-standard.. like muslims are so dangerous and they are 'terrorists' but people like this and Timothy McVeigh is just some angry white folk.

Hello again muslim propagandist.

First of all this has nothing to do with the middle east. There is little connection between what the gvmt charges this guy and the money spent in the middle east. In fact there isn't even a connection anymore between total tax dollars spent or collected.

Also, Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist, we called him one, we still call him one even after we killed him...white or not, he was executed for being a terrorist...so what's your point? Bin Ladden is a terroisit, and we either have killed him, he died on his own, or we plan to kill him. However, unlike McVeigh, who was a lone wolf, Bin Ladden runs a network of terrorists. If Timothy McVeigh had been using religion to recruit members of a certain church or something...you might be able to create some kind of parallel. However, your one track mind has once again exposed itself as inferior and racially motivated.

[thegodfather]

Hello again muslim propagandist.

First of all this has nothing to do with the middle east. There is little connection between what the gvmt charges this guy and the money spent in the middle east. In fact there isn't even a connection anymore between total tax dollars spent or collected.

Also, Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist, we called him one, we still call him one even after we killed him...white or not, he was executed for being a terrorist...so what's your point? Bin Ladden is a terroisit, and we either have killed him, he died on his own, or we plan to kill him. However, unlike McVeigh, who was a lone wolf, Bin Ladden runs a network of terrorists. If Timothy McVeigh had been using religion to recruit members of a certain church or something...you might be able to create some kind of parallel. However, your one track mind has once again exposed itself as inferior and racially motivated.

An article you should read...

Terrorism: The Most Meaningless and Manipulated Word
By Glenn Greenwald
Also by Glenn Greenwald:
Krugman on Secrecy and Scandal 01/19/10

Published 02/20/10

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Yesterday, Joseph Stack deliberately flew an airplane into a building housingIRSoffices in Austin, Texas, in order to advance the political grievances he outlined in a perfectly cogent suicide-manifesto. Stack's worldview contained elements of the tea party's anti-government anger along with substantial populist complaints generally associated with "the Left"(rage over bailouts, the suffering of America's poor, and the pilfering of the middle class by a corrupt economic elite and their government-servants). All of that was accompanied by an argument as to why violence was justified (indeed necessary)to protest those injustices:

I remember reading about the stock market crash before the "great" depression and how there were wealthy bankers and businessmen jumping out of windows when they realized they screwed up and lost everything. Isn't it ironic how far we've come in 60 years in this country that they now know how to fix that little economic problem; they just steal from the middle class (who doesn't have any say in it, elections are a joke) to cover their asses and it's "business-as-usual" . . . . Sadly, though I spent my entire life trying to believe it wasn’t so, but violence not only is the answer, it is the only answer.

Despite all that, The New York Times' Brian Stelter documents the deep reluctance of cable news chatterers and government officials to label the incident an act of "terrorism," even though -- as Dave Neiwert ably documents -- it perfectly fits, indeed is a classic illustration of, every official definition of that term. The issue isn't whether Stack's grievances are real or his responses just; it is that the act unquestionably comports with the official definition. But as NBC's Pete Williams said of the official insistence that this was not an act of Terrorism: there are "a couple of reasons to say that . . . One is he’s an American citizen." Fox News' Megan Kelley asked Catherine Herridge about these denials:"I take it that they mean terrorism in the larger sense that most of us are used to?," to which Herridge replied: "they mean terrorism in that capital T way."

All of this underscores, yet again, that Terrorism is simultaneously the single most meaningless and most manipulated word in the American political lexicon. The term now has virtually nothing to do with the act itself and everything to do with the identity of the actor, especially his or her religious identity. It has really come to mean:"a Muslim who fights against or even expresses hostility towards theUnited States, Israel and their allies." That's why all of this confusion and doubt arose yesterday over whether a person who perpetrated a classic act of Terrorism should, in fact, be called a Terrorist:he's not a Muslim and isn't acting on behalf of standard Muslim grievances against the U.S. or Israel, and thus does not fit the "definition." One might concede that perhaps there's some technical sense in which term might apply to Stack, but as Fox News emphasized: it's not "terrorism in the larger sense that most of us are used to . . . terrorism in that capital T way."We all know who commits terrorism in "that capital T way,"and it's not people named Joseph Stack.

Contrast the collective hesitance to call Stack a Terrorist with the extremely dubious circumstances under which that term is reflexively applied to Muslims. If a Muslim attacks a military base preparing to deploy soldiers to a war zone, that person is a Terrorist. If an American Muslim argues that violence against theU.S. (particularly when aimed at military targets)is justified due to American violence aimed at the Muslim world, that person is a Terrorist who deserves assassination. And if the U.S. military invades a Muslim country, Muslims who live in the invaded and occupied country and who fight back against the invadingAmerican army -- by attacking nothing but military targets -- are also Terrorists. Indeed, large numbers of detainees at Guantanamo were accused of being Terrorists for nothing more than attacking members of an invading foreign army in their country, including 14-year-old Mohamed Jawad, who spent many years in Guantanamo, accused (almost certainly falsely)of throwing a grenade at two American troops in Afghanistan who were part of an invading force in that country. Obviously, plots targeting civilians for death -- the 9/11 attacks and attempts to blow up civilian aircraft -- are pure terrorism, but a huge portion of the acts committed by Muslims that receive that label are not.

[Kratos]

Despite all that, The New York Times' Brian Stelter documents the deep reluctance of cable news chatterers and government officials to label the incident an act of "terrorism," even though -- as Dave Neiwert ably documents -- it perfectly fits, indeed is a classic illustration of, every official definition of that term..

I think now that it's over, we can all agree it is terrorism and he is a terrorist. Some people might agree with him, but he's still a terrorist either way.

I don't agree with the media making that distinction. I understand why they do, but there is a better way. They could say, "this doesn't appear to be islamic terrorism, or foreign terrorism ect."

If they come out and call him a domestic terrorist (which is what he is) right after it happens, people are going to freak out. They'll hear the word terrorist and not the word you put in front of it. They can affirm what he is not correctly however.

It is the fault of islamic terrorism that it becomes hard to throw around the term terrorist at all without people making racial or religious assumptions. I don't feel all that guilty for the evoloution of the language.

[FranciscoG]

Why is he not called a ¨domestic christian white terrorist¨

I mean lets be frank here. Islamic terrorist makes a referance to religion, hence the word islamic. I can´t count the number of times I heard middle eastern or arab terrorism.

Why is it there is a double standard here? He is a ¨domestic christian white terrorist¨ and all the cries of well that is racist... Hell no it´s not; it´s the truth.

And this isn´t the only recent even that raises eye brows.

A few weeks back a tea party militia leader was arrested after child molestation charges were filled. He had a 203 gernade launcher in his pad and been writting terrorist literature about attacks on the government....

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=82647


Ex-Marine Charles Allan Dyer, 29, was arrested earlier this month at his home in Marlow, Oklahoma, for possessing an unregistered grenade launcher and for raping a 7-year-old girl. Dyer talked openly about trying "to become a domestic terrorist."

There is dif a double standard here. If an arab talk about becoming a terrorist the cops are in his ass. This white male had to rape a 7 year-old before anyone thought hey lets go check it out or something.

The worst part is the cops that picked the **** face up are now in fear for thier lives cause militia members have been making death threats against them...

[eliteforce]

There's little connection! Wars that cost a billion dollars a week! defence spending is the second largest part of the budget behind entitlements, and the out of control deficit is putting alot of presure on IRS agents to bring in some green--that means people like this are likly to feel to presured since he's barely making it and still the dogs are after him. I would say there's a direct connection.

Immediately after the TV bombing a local newspaper ran the headline [to the effect] 'domestic suspects rule out terrorism' (can't remember the exact headline), and other news organizations neglected to use the word 'terrorism' and instead used a variety of other words to describe the bombing, by about the second day enough people like me were making such a stink about them not using the word 'terrorists' that the media quickly 360ed and started using the words domestic terrorists, followed by a debate about the initial reluctance to use the word terrorist, the obvious was the notion that terrorism was an islamic middle eastern thing.

And Timothy McVeigh was no lone wolf, he prepared the bombing truck with this other guy that owned a farm-thats how they got all that fertilizer, they also had help from a third guy and his sister who were never prosecuted because there wasn't enough evidence to prove they knew what the plan was ahead of time. And all these people were part of a broader militia movement and the attack was to avenge the deaths of the branch dividian militants.

And BinLadens group in reality isn't big, he hides out with a few supporters but direct communication with his 'followers' is all but impossible, instead he's just a symbol like the branch dividians, and he has support from a broader patchwork of islamic groups..

Hello again muslim propagandist.

First of all this has nothing to do with the middle east. There is little connection between what the gvmt charges this guy and the money spent in the middle east. In fact there isn't even a connection anymore between total tax dollars spent or collected.

Also, Timothy McVeigh was a terrorist, we called him one, we still call him one even after we killed him...white or not, he was executed for being a terrorist...so what's your point? Bin Ladden is a terroisit, and we either have killed him, he died on his own, or we plan to kill him. However, unlike McVeigh, who was a lone wolf, Bin Ladden runs a network of terrorists. If Timothy McVeigh had been using religion to recruit members of a certain church or something...you might be able to create some kind of parallel. However, your one track mind has once again exposed itself as inferior and racially motivated.

[Ernst]

"Terrorist" is a label really for anyone who fights the establishment. Once upon a time the American colonists were "terrorists". The IRA and their predecessors were "terrorists" in their own country for fighting an occupying force. One might say the same of other groups. Some of these people are coming from a place most of us can at least understand, even if we don't necessarily agree with their methods. Others are just plain lunatics. Where do we draw the line? I guess there's no perfect way, but it's a fair bet that if religion and/or race is a primary motivator they're the crazies.

We can probably all agree that some taxation is a necessary evil, but our government is wasteful and our money is poorly managed and spent. I doubt anyone in the country would beg to differ. I can't help but think that people who work for the IRS kind of sold their soul. There is a little piece in all of us who saw that headline that thought "YEAH!" These people aren't fighting for our freedom, they're fighting to take our money and give it to corrupt asses to waste it on developing backwards moonscape shithole countries, pointless wars, fattening fatcats, healthcare and welfare for illegals and crackheads, and all sorts of other disgusting crap.

[Kratos]

Why is he not called a ¨domestic christian white terrorist¨

...

The fact he is white or christian are irrelivent details, that's why. The fact that he was white or christian had nothing to do with the act itself.

I'm fine with it if people don't like the term islamic terrorist, it was just a potential example. I feel it's ok to use since it classify's part of the criminal motive. This guy is more of a tax resisting terrorist then a white christian terrorist. His crime had nothing to do with race or religion.

I don't feel middle eastern or arab terrorist are as good of terms as islamic terrorist. Because being middle eastern are arab are likely, they are not essential for islamic terrorism. A white guy could in theory practice islam and create an act against the US. I however have not seen that term used in the main stream media.

I think your desire to have white in the headlines goes back to your feelings about white people. If you can find some way it ties into the crime, I might back you up on that. The KKK would be an example you could say white should be included in the qualification of the terrorist act.

[Kratos]

A few weeks back a tea party militia leader was arrested after child molestation charges were filled. He had a 203 gernade launcher in his pad and been writting terrorist literature about attacks on the government....

http://www.shortnews.com/start.cfm?id=82647


Ex-Marine Charles Allan Dyer, 29, was arrested earlier this month at his home in Marlow, Oklahoma, for possessing an unregistered grenade launcher and for raping a 7-year-old girl. Dyer talked openly about trying "to become a domestic terrorist."

There is dif a double standard here. If an arab talk about becoming a terrorist the cops are in his ass. This white male had to rape a 7 year-old before anyone thought hey lets go check it out or something.

The worst part is the cops that picked the **** face up are now in fear for thier lives cause militia members have been making death threats against them...

You don't find it a coincidence that someone who dared to speak out against the gvmt is now facing charges that even if found innocent completely destroy your reputation.
Or that they brought bomb sniffing dogs and found his weapons when they only had a warrent to obtain DNA evidence?
Sounds like they were up his ass plenty.

Speaking out against the gvmt is a crime itself (sedition), but it's rarely enforced. Doing so can be very political.
These militia groups are watched and profiled weather you think so or not.
I'm not saying he's not guilty of rape, he might be, just innocent until proven guilty.

[Kratos]

white terroist groups getting free pass is opinion
they never have
http://news.google.com/newspapers?id...22,22318&hl=en
many people feel the level these groups are monitored borders on tyranny.

It isn't about race.
Joseph Andrew Stack was a terrorist. Once all the details were released he could be labeled as such. Crying racism is pointless, you will find none here.
Search the news for something else you can argue racism for.
End of story.

[peachfuzz]

Hi Kratos. Your smart.

[FranciscoG]

You don't find it a coincidence that someone who dared to speak out against the gvmt is now facing charges that even if found innocent completely destroy your reputation.
Or that they brought bomb sniffing dogs and found his weapons when they only had a warrent to obtain DNA evidence?
Sounds like they were up his ass plenty.

Speaking out against the gvmt is a crime itself (sedition), but it's rarely enforced. Doing so can be very political.
These militia groups are watched and profiled weather you think so or not.
I'm not saying he's not guilty of rape, he might be, just innocent until proven guilty.

I do not think its a coincidence.

He raped a 7 year-old.

He publically endorsed terrorist bombings so bringing in dogs is not out of the ordinary.

He had a gernade launcher which he got years ago.

I find it sad he was not stopped before. If these terrorists are being watched then why is it that this child molester had to rape a child to have the gernade launcher discovered?

Another problem I have is that the FBI came out and stated these terrorists would become a problem, but the report was retracted because the FBI mentioned some had served in the military.

There is so much wrong here I can´t even count.

It has been nearly 15 since 04/19/1995 and it seams like the major focus is ¨well them arabs are the problem¨ and everyone forgot about the OKC bombing.

[Kratos]

I do not think its a coincidence.

He raped a 7 year-old.


There is so much wrong here I can´t even count.

It has been nearly 15 since 04/19/1995 and it seams like the major focus is ¨well them arabs are the problem¨ and everyone forgot about the OKC bombing.

he is not convicted of rape yet

clearly this is lost on you maybe for language barrier reason...I forget if you've said before your english is not perfect...don't get me wrong, I don't hold that against you.


What would we have charged him with prior to rape?

Ranting on your PC is not typically a crime we charge people with.

Do you have any facts to support your opinion that we no longer monitor white militia groups? Cause I can promise you that's false.

[FranciscoG]

O.B.L. is has not been conviced of terrorism does that mean he is innocent of 9/11?

Making terrorist threats is illegal as far as I knew.

My point is simple someone should have checked into him prior to the arrest for raping the 7 year-old. < does that mean there is no monitering of domestic terrorists? No, but it sure as hell doesn´t seem to be a great effort does it?

[Kratos]

O.B.L. is has not been conviced of terrorism does that mean he is innocent of 9/11?

Making terrorist threats is illegal as far as I knew.

My point is simple someone should have checked into him prior to the arrest for raping the 7 year-old. < does that mean there is no monitering of domestic terrorists? No, but it sure as hell doesn´t seem to be a great effort does it?

OBL said he did it via video tape. So that kinda make a trial pointless, doesn't it?

Yes, making threats is illegal but it gets very muddy when it comes to free speach. What he said on youtube was legal or illigal depending on who you ask..people don't like the idea of their right to bitch being taken away.

The language he used in the video was ambigious enough, it doesn't really cross the line.
"what I'm going to do is become one of those domestic terrorists you read about in the DHS report"
what he's refering to is exactly the opposit of what you're complaining about...he doesn't think his group should be labeled domestic terrorist. It's more sarcastic then a direct threat. If you can't prove it's a real threat, you can't have your search warrent hold up in court, and then you can't use the rocket launcher as evidence.

You don't know that he wasn't being watched.
You don't know what the evidence is in the rape case.
You can't throw every red neck in prision cause they might rape someone.

Yes it does seem they make a great effort to monitor potential domestic threats.

http://www.nj.com/news/index.ssf/200...omments-3.html
http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2009/0..._n_211652.html
http://www.wbtv.com/Global/story.asp?S=9246417
http://www.cbsnews.com/stories/2010/...n6224240.shtml

What do you do if someone is a known mafia member? Arrest them for jay walking or watch them and gather evidence so when you put them away, they go away for a long time?

[FranciscoG]

IMO, a terrorist is a terrorist and a guy like that should be threated no diff than OBL.

What the evidence to his rape charge is or is not is pointless. He should not have been on the streets for the rape to happen in the first place. but you call it a coincidence that he spoke up and now he is charged with rape. Like the gov framed him.

He had a gernade launcher and has been making threats for years.

My point was someone should have gotten a warrent as is legal after he ran his mouth and checked out the guys house. The gernade launcher would have been found and the 7 year-old would not have been raped.

[FranciscoG]

Oh and for the record all the militia terrorists that stand with him and have made death treats to the cops that arrested the child molester... All those mofo should also be in prison but none are! For far for enforcing the laws.

Its not a first amendment issue when you have these terrorists calling law enforcement officer´s homes and telling them thier family´s are going to die!

[Kratos]

IMO, a terrorist is a terrorist and a guy like that should be threated no diff than OBL.

What the evidence to his rape charge is or is not is pointless. He should not have been on the streets for the rape to happen in the first place. but you call it a coincidence that he spoke up and now he is charged with rape. Like the gov framed him.

He had a gernade launcher and has been making threats for years.

My point was someone should have gotten a warrent as is legal after he ran his mouth and checked out the guys house. The gernade launcher would have been found and the 7 year-old would not have been raped.

no search warrent
no granade launcher
no crime

tell me what he said exactly that would call for a federal search warrent

[Kratos]

Oh and for the record all the militia terrorists that stand with him and have made death treats to the cops that arrested the child molester... All those mofo should also be in prison but none are! For far for enforcing the laws.

Its not a first amendment issue when you have these terrorists calling law enforcement officer´s homes and telling them thier family´s are going to die!

when white people make death threats to the police, they just laugh it off, it's kinda a running joke between white people and the police. "oh white people, you jokesters"

or maybe in a stroke of criminal genious, they called from a freakin pay phone.

[Kratos]

I was wondering how they turned a DNA sample warrent into a full blown search warrent. From what I read, he was not at home, and the police spoke with someone else who lived there. The police state the individual in residence gave them permission to search the house, even though the warrant was for DNA, not a search of the premises.

hmmm, does that sound like something Charles Dyer's roomie would do?

but of course if he's guilty, may he burn in hell.

Federal charges out rank local charges, so he'll be convicted via the wrongful search and sentenced to years before even being able to defend himself on the rape thing.

[FranciscoG]

no search warrent
no granade launcher
no crime

tell me what he said exactly that would call for a federal search warrent

Apparently suddenly you have gone from lets profile....> Mr. Civil Rights... lol

I could care less what the warrent was for, maybe he spit on the side walk.

[FranciscoG]

I was wondering how they turned a DNA sample warrent into a full blown search warrent. From what I read, he was not at home, and the police spoke with someone else who lived there. The police state the individual in residence gave them permission to search the house, even though the warrant was for DNA, not a search of the premises.

hmmm, does that sound like something Charles Dyer's roomie would do?

but of course if he's guilty, may he burn in hell.

Federal charges out rank local charges, so he'll be convicted via the wrongful search and sentenced to years before even being able to defend himself on the rape thing.

It must be a consirary and the gernade launcher must have also been planted...lol

[Kratos]

apparently suddenly you have gone from lets profile to lets me Mr. Civil Rights... lol

I could care less what the warrent was for, maybe he spit on the side walk.

if the search warrent gets thrown out
so goes the evidence
doesn't matter how you feel about his rights

[FranciscoG]

Kinda strange, how the guy that thinks all arab terrorists should be killed, and never even mentions a trial or warrents or evidence for the arab terrorists... But for some reason in this case suddenly all that comes into play for a domestic white terrorist.

Correct me if I am wrong that was your view on arab terrorism, right?

[Kratos]

Kinda strange, how the guy that thinks all arab terrorists should be killed, and never even mentions a trial or warrents or evidence for the arab terrorists... But for some reason in this case suddenly all that comes into play for a domestic white terrorist.

Correct me if I am wrong that was your view on arab terrorism, right?

no, I feel the same burdon of proof should apply for anybody living in the US regardless of race.

idk where you get that impression about me

[Kratos]

It must be a consirary and the gernade launcher must have also been planted...lol

big difference between keeping an illigal weapon and sticking it in a 7 year old's dumper, don't you think?

I know people with unregistered fire arms, and one guy who owns a couple automatic weapons...as far as I know they aren't about to rape anybody, nor do they ever shoot them at people.

[FranciscoG]

no, I feel the same burdon of proof should apply for anybody living in the US regardless of race.

idk where you get that impression about me

^^ Simple you never mentioned anything like that before...lol

Kratos, Mr. Civil Rights for Domestic White Terrorists

[Kratos]

^^ Simpe you never mentioned anything like that before...lol

Kratos, Mr. Civil Rights for Domestic White Terrorists

I feel bad for you that you can't get past your ignorance at times.

[thegodfather]

I thought this thread was going good before all of the racial shit...Is this for real? Really making some far reaches and trying to extrapolate things out of the story that aren't there. Who gives a shit what color this person was? If anyone thinks this arrest was racist, call Al Sharpton or Jesse Jackson and bitch to them, because no one here gives a damn about this racial bullshit. Lets stick to the topic at hand...

[Kratos]

and for the record I do not support what goes on at Guantanamo Bay. I think the people had to go somewhere...but, the amount of time they were kept, they way things were handeled was in-excusable. It is another Bush f-up.

I however do not support Obama's choice to make the goings on public record. Fix the problem, that's all he had to do.

[FranciscoG]

and for the record I do not support what goes on at Guantanamo Bay. I think the people had to go somewhere...but, the amount of time they were kept, they way things were handeled was in-excusable. It is another Bush f-up.

I however do not support Obama's choice to make the goings on public record. Fix the problem, that's all he had to do.

Funny you were just for trials and evidence and crap now all the sudden lets not be public...

I am done here.