It’s Time For Real Election Reform

[Beetlegeuse]

It’s Time For Real Election Reform

Ted Noel | Posted: Feb 13, 2021 12:01 AM

Let’s get one thing straight. Even though Sleepy Joe Biden is the occupant of 1600 Pennsylvania Avenue, there are a host of serious questions about how the elections – note the plural – were conducted. Pennsylvania changed the election laws without constitutional authority, over the objections of the legislature. Ditto for Georgia. Required voter validation on absentee ballots was not performed. Chains of custody were violated, potentially letting phony ballots get counted, and on, and on. We just can’t have this happen again. But what’s a mother to do?

First, we have to define the word. Fuzzy Leftist equivocation won’t do. We must have a clear definition. Anything else will scramble our efforts.

Election: An accurate counting of the expressed preferences of properly eligible and registered voters. Those preferences must be expressed in a clear, legislatively approved manner and received within a specific time frame. They involve issues in and representation for a single state.

That’s not too hard, is it? Obviously, the egregious maleficence exhibited during the last “election” shows that we must have clear guardrails. The most important guardrail is the fact that all elections involve single states or subdivisions within single states. Even the “Presidential Election” is about electing persons from within a single state who are sworn to represent that state in the actual election of the President.

The very first action must be to rigorously cleanse the voter rolls of ineligible persons. A change of address, invalid address, or an underground address should result in that name being removed. Agencies within the state, such as the Department of Motor Vehicles, should transmit address changes to the Voter agency. Cooperation between states is essential as well.

Next, Silicon Valley billionaires have no legitimate interest in Georgia Senate elections, yet many millions poured into it from California. And Washington. And… So we must make all political contributions from outside a state illegal. That’s right, outlaw the $100 I sent to David Perdue and Kelly Loeffler. Only allow registered voters to contribute. Under Citizens United, corporations can speak, so limit their contributions to corporations domiciled in the state. Since Amazon – and Jeff Bezos – are based in Washington State, they should be prevented from meddling in Georgia’s elections. As David Harsanyi notes, “There are provisions [in the Constitution] making it hard for California to pass whatever laws it wishes in West Virginia. That's not a bug; it's the point.” It should also be hard for California to elect whomever it wants in Georgia.

Imagine what this would do. Georgia has about 10.6 million people. There are about 5.6 million registered voters, so every voter would have sent about fifty dollars to a campaign to get to the $250 million-plus that was spent on just the senate runoff. In fact, over ninety percent of that came from outside Georgia. As of November 23, Democrats had raised $114 million to the Republicans’ $56 million, or roughly double. But if they had been limited to contributions from Georgians, the Democrats would have had $4.56 million to the Republicans $4.5 million. Georgians would have had a real voice in the debate over who should represent them. Can you spell “level playing field?” May we have a “We took the money out of elections!” cheer?

Next, it is absolutely essential that every legal vote be counted. This starts with verifying that each “vote” is cast by an eligible, registered voter. There has to be a functionally accurate form of voter identification. It must apply to both in-person and absentee voting. Anything else allows an improper vote to cancel a valid vote, destroying the “one-man-one-vote” rule confirmed by the Supreme Court.

Before any votes are counted, firm calendar limits for voting must be established and honored. The Pennsylvania stunt of counting votes arriving three days late cannot happen again. Any “vote” arriving early or late must be rejected. If a voter cannot be responsible enough to read a calendar, then perhaps they aren’t responsible enough to cast a ballot.

Absentee ballots must first pass through the voter ID process. If there is a dispute regarding the validity of the ID, there must be a fair and effective adjudication process before the ballot moves into the counting process.

All ballots must have a secure chain of custody. Those ballots are evidence in any potential election challenge and must be protected by no less careful security than evidence in a criminal case. And just to make this chain even more secure, every ballot image scanned by a vote-counting machine should be made immediately available to every interested party. This will allow those third parties to create their own count of votes. Such an open system would make shenanigans very easy to see. Of course, we must go one step further and require that no electronic counting machine be able to receive data or instructions from outside during the counting process. Ballots must be preserved and indelible records of them maintained.

No questionable ballot should be adjudicated by an electronic device. If the equipment flags a problem, the ballot must be rejected for examination by election officials and parties for the specific campaigns. Only after they agree, or a referee rules, should the ballot be counted. Of note, cameras and remote monitors can make all these verification steps non-intrusive. The record that they produce will be inarguable.

We should note that every step I’ve proposed is absolutely neutral with regard to who wins an election. Rather, these are essential steps to guarantee election integrity. Detailed language can be worked out by legislators, and it’s possible that one state might create a model language for the rest.

Until we have verifiable election integrity, the losing side in almost any election will likely raise loud claims of a stolen election, famously raised in Bush v. Gore as well as the last two presidential contests. Excluding fat cats from out of state will keep campaigns in the control of the voters who are actually interested in who wins. California has no business telling Georgia who to elect.

All of these reforms are possible within individual states. They present no Constitutional conflicts since they follow Article II, SCOTUS precedent, and the basic principle that Georgia’s business is Georgia’s business.

[Hughinn]

The problem is, that everyone with any common sense can see the bizarre events unfolding around the last election warrant open public investigations and scrutiny. It's just that nobody's allowed to actually say it without risk of censorship, scorn or worse.

And when any citizen of a suppose free nation who dares speak in direct contradiction to the dogmas and narratives of a certain group, does so the risk of his prosperity, livelihood and his very life, then we no longer have freedom of speech or honest leadership

[Honkey_Kong]

LOL there is never going to be "real election reform."

The fact is this is a bunch of hot air that this moron wrote that will never happen. But let's pretend it does, do you honestly think that you're going to ever stop PACs and Super PACs? What about the fact that you can't even get a candidate on a ballot without a major bankroll and party support? And who do you think is controlling the names of the candidates even in primary elections? You think the Adelsons with their $200+ million in donations or the Bloomberg with his $150+ million in donations has any say in who gets to be presented?

Then you have the voters. People have been subjected to indoctrination to fall in to this false left/right paradigm since birth. They're raised in to it with the education system and the media hammers it in to them. Plus you have jackarses that do nothing but recite talking points one political propagandist on TV/Radio/print says to everybody that will listen to them (know anyone like this? LOL).

And for those who think Trump was the exception to this. He is a life-long New York liberal that played the Republicans for a bunch of fools. He did nothing in office except advance the liberal agenda all while getting the Republicucks to turn their head or make excuses for him. And the liberals were all played too. They were furious at him, while they got literally everything they wanted with no compromise. Not to mention he received over $100 million from Sheldon Adelson in 2019 and 2020 via the GOP, and Super PACs.

People like to bring up references to 1984, but they fail to remember that Emmanuel Goldstein was controlled opposition in it. And that basically what Trump was!

So since the system is corrupt from the core and people are controlled sheep, there is absolutely no way for anyone to make legitimate elections happen. There is no point in crying over the elections. Any "reform" that comes will just be more of the same.

[DustMan]

My least favorite part of this forum is the non stop propaganda posting.

[ghettoboyd]

So tired of the shit stirring...isn’t there other forums to talk politics other than this one?...do you guys even lift?...

[ghettoboyd]

Honestly, why can’t we come here for a little escape from the shit storm the word is and find some peace talking about thing we actually have in common?...

[< <Samson> >]

Fuck political bull shit


That’s one of the things I learned last year - I was into the who what & the where so much - until I woke up from when I really didn’t think I would - I just turned off the news & couldn’t care fucking less

[Hughinn]

LOL there is never going to be "real election reform."

The fact is this is a bunch of hot air that this moron wrote that will never happen. But let's pretend it does, do you honestly think that you're going to ever stop PACs and Super PACs? What about the fact that you can't even get a candidate on a ballot without a major bankroll and party support? And who do you think is controlling the names of the candidates even in primary elections? You think the Adelsons with their $200+ million in donations or the Bloomberg with his $150+ million in donations has any say in who gets to be presented?

Then you have the voters. People have been subjected to indoctrination to fall in to this false left/right paradigm since birth. They're raised in to it with the education system and the media hammers it in to them. Plus you have jackarses that do nothing but recite talking points one political propagandist on TV/Radio/print says to everybody that will listen to them (know anyone like this? LOL).

And for those who think Trump was the exception to this. He is a life-long New York liberal that played the Republicans for a bunch of fools. He did nothing in office except advance the liberal agenda all while getting the Republicucks to turn their head or make excuses for him. And the liberals were all played too. They were furious at him, while they got literally everything they wanted with no compromise. Not to mention he received over $100 million from Sheldon Adelson in 2019 and 2020 via the GOP, and Super PACs.

People like to bring up references to 1984, but they fail to remember that Emmanuel Goldstein was controlled opposition in it. And that basically what Trump was!

So since the system is corrupt from the core and people are controlled sheep, there is absolutely no way for anyone to make legitimate elections happen. There is no point in crying over the elections. Any "reform" that comes will just be more of the same.

The thing I'm greatfull for, is that Donald Trump tore the mask clean off the democrat party. And really the inside of American political machinations in general. We seen the billionaires class openly buying propaganda episodes, investigations and dictating public institutions openly. We seen the democrat party shamelessly kneel before bigbtech tycoons and wealthy media moguls. We seen them infiltrated with foreign interests and money.

The people who've lectured and bullied the rest of american citizens for decades on the virtues of inclusion and tolerance, turned out to be the most hateful, venomous and vapid rage filled maniacs in the world.

Thier putrid and unwholesome rage and intolerance for anybody that will not conform to their dogmas and demands truly has been shown for what it is. Blind hatred for any in the way of thier acquisition of power and control.



Donald Trump exposed them. And at least half of american citizens see them now for what they are. And will never be fooled again. Their propoganda networks cannot fool people anymore. Thier lies and hypocrisy can't be hidden now. There will be no turning back. Trump or no trump, its just a matter of time now.

Democrats shown themselves and now we know, they represent corporate interest first. The working class has left them. Rightfully so. Which is obviously why instead of compromise with the working class, Democrats want to simply, import a new working class. One that will not resist thier fleecing and theft.

Say what you want about Donald Trump. He still exposed them all. We all know now who the real supremacist, priveledged and entitlement class is. And we know what b thier party is

[jstone]

The thing I'm greatfull for, is that Donald Trump tore the mask clean off the democrat party. And really the inside of American political machinations in general. We seen the billionaires class openly buying propaganda episodes, investigations and dictating public institutions openly. We seen the democrat party shamelessly kneel before bigbtech tycoons and wealthy media moguls. We seen them infiltrated with foreign interests and money.

The people who've lectured and bullied the rest of american citizens for decades on the virtues of inclusion and tolerance, turned out to be the most hateful, venomous and vapid rage filled maniacs in the world.

Thier putrid and unwholesome rage and intolerance for anybody that will not conform to their dogmas and demands truly has been shown for what it is. Blind hatred for any in the way of thier acquisition of power and control.



Donald Trump exposed them. And at least half of american citizens see them now for what they are. And will never be fooled again. Their propoganda networks cannot fool people anymore. Thier lies and hypocrisy can't be hidden now. There will be no turning back. Trump or no trump, its just a matter of time now.

Democrats shown themselves and now we know, they represent corporate interest first. The working class has left them. Rightfully so. Which is obviously why instead of compromise with the working class, Democrats want to simply, import a new working class. One that will not resist thier fleecing and theft.

Say what you want about Donald Trump. He still exposed them all. We all know now who the real supremacist, priveledged and entitlement class is. And we know what b thier party is

if you didnt realize this before donald trump you have been oblivious to reality. whether or not the politician has an R or an D after their name what you wrote applies to all of them. the only difference is your fooled into believing that one side has your best interests at mind, when in reality neither gives a fuck about you.

[Hughinn]

if you didnt realize this before donald trump you have been oblivious to reality. whether or not the politician has an R or an D after their name what you wrote applies to all of them. the only difference is your fooled into believing that one side has your best interests at mind, when in reality neither gives a fuck about you.

I agree completely, and have had such a sentiment for at least the past 20 years.

But, nonetheless, it was Donald Trump that showed it out in the open, plain for everyone who was looking to see.

Because of Donald Trump, at least half of America understands exactly what you're saying.

And those of us who knew it all along, no longer face that reality alone. Half the nation now understands it.

Donald Trump was not a cause of an affliction, he was a symptom of an affliction. Our leaders continue to blame boogeyman for the failure of the ruling class, and because they refuse to deviate from that narrative, amd take responsibility for thier own failures, there will be more Donald Trump's. And if they go full nazi, and commit genocide to destroy all the boogeyman, then when it's ,done the mob turns on them and eachother.

There is no way out from here.

[Honkey_Kong]

I agree completely, and have had such a sentiment for at least the past 20 years.

But, nonetheless, it was Donald Trump that showed it out in the open, plain for everyone who was looking to see.

Because of Donald Trump, at least half of America understands exactly what you're saying.

And those of us who knew it all along, no longer face that reality alone. Half the nation now understands it.

Donald Trump was not a cause of an affliction, he was a symptom of an affliction. Our leaders continue to blame boogeyman for the failure of the ruling class, and because they refuse to deviate from that narrative, amd take responsibility for thier own failures, there will be more Donald Trump's. And if they go full nazi, and commit genocide to destroy all the boogeyman, then when it's ,done the mob turns on them and eachother.

There is no way out from here.

Are you kidding? He was the biggest charlatan in DC for the last 4 years. And that's a major accomplishment.