40 and Fat, but not dead.

[roidrichie]

Hi Everybody its me roidrichie and im a 40 yo man with a gut and a 315 total test level. Im 6'3'' about 295 and Im back in the gym after 9 years. I was once 510 and got down to 225 at one point. Did some gear about 9 years ago, but was not serious about it. I live in a world of doubt, anxiety, agitation and despair. So, im back on the diet about 3 months ago and it suddenly dawns on me, who gives a shit about being 200 again if i look like a bag of loose skin. Who cares about being thin if I still feel like shit inside and out. I started hitting the gym again and I began to remember the old days, I remembered the lifestyle of lifting and it was pretty good feeling to be honest. I started looking in to TRT and then got some balls to do some blood work. Sure the fuck enough my test was low as shit, and then I realized I probably have had this problem my whole life. Maybe thats why I have been fat all my life and had some high blood pressure and sugar before I lost a lot of weight. So hear I am to fix the problem and see what test can do for me. I will work hard and be reasonable. I will check my blood regularly and take proper pct, but im going to get some answers for myself. I can't blame all my life on low t, but im going to see what fixing it can do.
Cycle 1 begins this week
Test c for 18 weeks 300/mg every 5 days or 400mg/week
PCT Nolva week 21-24 40mg 2week 20mg 2week

I might even do 100mg/10days test prop during off cycle with letro and hcg , just never stop.

Im hoping for a better life for myself and my family.

Thanks for thoughts everybody.

[ghettoboyd]

why are you not doing this through a doctor?...

[roidrichie]

cost and wanting to take higher levels than trt for awhile

[ghettoboyd]

cost and wanting to take higher levels than trt for awhile

ok not sure what to say but I would not just jump on a cycle especially an 18 weeker with your body fat that I'm assuming is pretty high you will be pron to gyno due to the added aromatization high bf is prone too cause...where did you come up with 18 weeks I'm curious your thinking?...also your pct is week for such a long cycle definitely add in clomid as well if you go for it...if I were you and I'm not I would see a doctor and get on trt...good luck...

[roidrichie]

My logic with 18 weeks was this. 1. its a low dose 400 week. 2. im on a major diet right now, low carb, should help with the bloat, gyno. 3. even some trt is 400 week, so i think it should be ok for 18 weeks. 4. i will be getting blood done at 8 week and 16 to see whats going on, so should it get crazy, i can stop.

would you think arimidex during instead of clomid pct since i have nolva. I just dont want my cholesterol going crazy with ai.
Any thoughts would be great.

[Back In Black]

No TRT is 400 per week.

400 per week is not a low dose cycle especially if it's your first for 9 years and 18 weeks is a long time and will make recovery that much harder being shut down that long. You natty test will struggle to get back to where it is now.

A cycle won't help with the problem but will likely exacerbate it.

An ai should be run during cycle. If you have concerns about that you shouldn't cycle. You shouldn't cycle at your age (or any) without HCG . You shouldn't cycle without Clomid and nolva as a PCT.

Can you please post your full bloodwork so the experts here can advise properly.

[roidrichie]

i have arimidex for ai. i dont want hcg , i dont care about the hypogonad, got 3 kids lol.
i was going to do just nolva for pct.
I will listen to any advice you have, thank you.
blood work

CBC With Differential/Platelet
WBC 5.2 5.2 3.4-10.8 x10E3/uL 01
RBC 4.72 4.72 4.14-5.80 x10E6/uL 01
Hemoglobin 14.7 14.7 12.6-17.7 g/dL 01
Hematocrit 43.9 43.9 37.5-51.0 % 01
MCV 93 93 79-97 fL 01
MCH 31.1 31.1 26.6-33.0 pg 01
MCHC 33.5 33.5 31.5-35.7 g/dL 01
RDW 14.4 14.4 12.3-15.4 % 01
Platelets 198 198 150-379 x10E3/uL 01
Neutrophils 62 62 % 01
Lymphs 27 27 % 01
Monocytes 7 7 % 01
Eos 3 3 % 01
Basos 1 1 % 01
Neutrophils (Absolute) 3.3 3.3 1.4-7.0 x10E3/uL 01
Lymphs (Absolute) 1.4 1.4 0.7-3.1 x10E3/uL 01
Monocytes(Absolute) 0.4 0.4 0.1-0.9 x10E3/uL 01
Eos (Absolute) 0.2 0.2 0.0-0.4 x10E3/uL 01
Baso (Absolute) 0.0 0.0 0.0-0.2 x10E3/uL 01
Immature Granulocytes 0 0 % 01
Immature Grans (Abs) 0.0 0.0 0.0-0.1 x10E3/uL 01
Comp. Metabolic Panel (14)
Glucose, Serum 85 85 65-99 mg/dL 01
BUN 10 10 6-24 mg/dL 01
Creatinine, Serum 0.84 0.84 0.76-1.27 mg/dL 01
eGFR If NonAfricn Am 110 110 >59 mL/min/1.73 01
eGFR If Africn Am 127 127 >59 mL/min/1.73 01
BUN/Creatinine Ratio 12 12 9-20 01
Sodium, Serum 145 145 HIGH 134-144 mmol/L 01
Potassium, Serum 3.9 3.9 3.5-5.2 mmol/L 01
Chloride, Serum 103 103 96-106 mmol/L 01
Carbon Dioxide, Total 25 25 18-29 mmol/L 01
Calcium, Serum 9.4 9.4 8.7-10.2 mg/dL 01
Protein, Total, Serum 6.9 6.9 6.0-8.5 g/dL 01
Albumin, Serum 4.7 4.7 3.5-5.5 g/dL 01
Globulin, Total 2.2 2.2 1.5-4.5 g/dL 01
A/G Ratio 2.1 2.1 1.2-2.2 01
Bilirubin, Total 0.7 0.7 0.0-1.2 mg/dL 01
Alkaline Phosphatase, S 46 46 39-117 IU/L 01
AST (SGOT) 17 17 0-40 IU/L 01
ALT (SGPT) 17 17 0-44 IU/L 01
Testosterone , Serum
Testosterone, Serum 315 315 264-916 ng/dL 01
**Please note reference interval change**
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Adult male reference interval is based on a population of
healthy nonobese males (BMI <30) between 19 and 39 years old.
Travison, et.al. JCEM 2017,102;1161-1173. PMID: 28324103.
Luteinizing Hormone(LH), S
LH 6.1 6.1 1.7-8.6 mIU/mL 01
1 of 2
FSH, Serum
FSH 4.0 4.0 1.5-12.4 mIU/mL 01
Estradiol
Estradiol 23.8 23.8 7.6-42.6 pg/mL 01

[Input55]

I’m sure you don’t want to hear this – it’s a bad time for you to do a cycle. This could cause serious issues with your heart due to your body fat and age. Most recommend that you start a cycle below 15% body fat. I understand your sense of urgency but if you mess up your heart, there are no more cycles ever.

My advice – take it or leave it – get yourself on a TRT dose of testosterone . You will see a big difference in the first couple of months. Your body has been running on empty for a while so even a TRT dose will have a large impact.

When I started TRT two years ago, I was 220 lbs and maybe 25% body fat (this is a guess). The first 6 months I lifted hard and ate anything I wanted. I went to about 240 lbs and 22% body fat and was noticeably more muscular everywhere. Maybe not as good as a cycle but it was healthy. I got on a strict diet and I lost a pound of fat a week for well over 26 weeks. At that time I was below 220 and had a bodyfat below 15%. All of this was with only 100 mG of testosterone a week which put my free test in the upper 1/3 of the lab range. This was also 100% heart healthy.

You can likely get to the 15% body fat mark faster than I did. That would be the time for your first cycle. If your still cutting, you could do something low (300 mG/Week) as you won’t gain much muscle if your not eating a lot and 300/week is plenty to maintain your lean mass.

[TRTdrew]

I feel you man. Good luck.