AGGRESSIVE PCT needed for 2 year cycle

[G-Force]

Good to see you still kicking around G-Force. Hopefully the recovery is progressing smoothly.

It's pretty shocking per-say to see the before and after pics... but this is what happens when you go off AAS... all gains diminish eventually.. (something so many people just can't comprehend.)

You'll always revert back to your natural limit after time. (the amount of time is an individual thing.. but that's the only difference..)

You've still got a great base to work with though bro, don't get me wrong, not trying to put you down whatsoever.. if you put in the time, and do a natural cut, you should be able to get those abs back, and some nice definition going.

Best of luck, and thanks for the continued updates

-VM

thanks
yeah thats what i am doing now
a natural cut
its going erm slowly

i dont care how much i am on the scale anymore i just want my abs back

[G-Force]

yeah bro you lost some there but out of curosity over the last 6 months how has your diet been compared to when you were on?you might not be as far off the mark as you think if everything was constant except for aas,just a thought bro.How is your recovery going?How do you feel mentally and emotionally?

well to be honest my diet went to sh!t when i had the 2 months of no training at all

and i myself also went to sh!t and was drinking practically every day amongst other things

it was like i swapped one addiction for another
if u take the gym away from me i turn into the junkie alcoholic i wass when i was a teenager - it wass gettin into the gym that saved me from all of that

i need the gym to keep me sane

thankfully when i got back in the gym my diet has been good and have been off the recreational drugs although i still have the occasional relapse
same with the booze

when i was on AAS i was so dedicated and didnt drink or do drugs

just wish i could be the same now i am off the AAS

so yeah to answer your question - emotionally it is hard and i think about getting back on the AAS every day but i know there is no point with my back screwed like this

sex drive is still very poor and the gf isnt happy
getting my test levels tested on 14th june so will post the results

[j4ever41]

Hey man hang in there! I just say without going into detail that training and the lifestyle it invovles keeps me grounded as well,yeah bro keep us updated and again best of luck to you brotha.

[louiscypher]

for those that are interested here are some before and after pics
the one on the right was december last year at the height of my steroid use

and the one on the left was taken a week ago (may 2010) after being off cycle for 6 months and not training for 2 of those months

quite a big difference hey

Ps excuse the pink calvins and towel lol it was for a modelling shoot

U still have a lot of muscle there bro. Pretty f'n good for being natural.

[G-Force]

U still have a lot of muscle there bro. Pretty f'n good for being natural.

cheers mate
my arms are still 18 inches (believe it or not)
although i feel tiny

i remember when i first got my arms up to 18 and i thought i was massive ha ha

no longer the case sadly

[G-Force]

Hey man hang in there! I just say without going into detail that training and the lifestyle it invovles keeps me grounded as well,yeah bro keep us updated and again best of luck to you brotha.

cheers man
much appreciated

[lifta_00]

Best of luck man, hoping for the best. Think there will be a lot of people out there in the same situation as you, keep us updated.

[duder]

Wow. Reading this thread has been a great help to me. This is the best one I've found on the specific topic of PCT after a very long cycle. My situation is similar, though my use is approaching one year...Some stats....I'm not huge, I doubt my physique is one that is beyond what would be "naturally" obtainable given my genetics and what-not, but it has definitely benefited from this period...I'm 5'6" and weigh 160 lbs...I'm also an insulin dependant diabetic-(that xtra bit of metabolic manipulation ability helps me in many ways and poses issues too...but anyway...) now my doses by many folks standards may seem low, but I was taking (this is an average over the whole year rather than an exact measure of each weeks dosage, a few times the stuff was lower milligrams per ML blah blah....) about 200 mgs of enanthate or sustanon weekly and just about nothing else...a few times I used some arimadex...I never noticed any typical estrogen effects except maybe the slightest bit of water retention at times....now I never really intended to do it for so long but it felt good, I was in good shape and looked good and felt younger and my sex life improved and all that so...and I liked it so I just kind of extended it...I know, I know...and I can't say for sure about testicular atropohy...perhaps but slight enough it could even be psychological, though my nut sack does do the cold water thing a lot more even when it's not in cold water. But on to my actual question...it seems that the original poster's PCT was inadequate but that he made some mistakes that could have been avoided. Like not enough HCG for long enough prior to the end of his cycle, and then maybe an inadequate regimen of clomid, nolvadex , aromasin and/ or whatever...he seemed to intermittantly start and stop some treatments. And maybe for too short a time? So I'm wondering if a PCT regimen of a longer duration would yield a better result, and how long could one last? and what dosages of what drugs are optimal for a longer PCT if such a thing is an option... I'm not on any time frame and I have juice enough left to follow any HCG regimen timed with it's duration of effects...Just looking for an "aggressive" PCT regimen and wondering what are the dangers of "overdoing it" timewise and dosage wise, etc...?

[Cousinbutch]

I'm wondering, when you say your sex drive is low; is it that you're just not interested or you can't get it up when you try?

[G-Force]

ok the results are in ( 7+ months after cycle) (7 weeks after pct finished) and everything is normal apparently

Serum Testosterone level 9.2 nmol/L
serum LH level 3iu/L
serum FSH level 3 iu/L
serum TSH level 4.04 mu/L

serum prolactin level 284 mu/L
serum oestradiol level 100 pmol/L

my doctor says all these results are in the normal range :-)

ok so why is my sex drive still low?

in answer to Cousinbutch's question - i can get it up i just am not interested
i am never horny

i am on antidepressents, and i know these decrease sex drive but i have been on the same anti depressents for 9 years

way before i ever started takin steroids
and i didnt have a problem with low sex drive before

and i am currently on a fraction of the dose i was 9 years ago

i feel i may have to get back on cycle....

[OH REALLY]

give it some time your used to that superman sex drive...lol.. it will come back

[stevey_6t9]

9.2 nmol test is still very low mate

[G-Force]

9.2 nmol test is still very low mate

is it?
i was told it was in the normal range
low end of normal yes
but still "normal"

[stevey_6t9]

(8.3-29) is the range, someone your age should be higher. i personally dont think you recovered, its most likely causing your low libido also.

[Xtralarg]

Im sorry to hear that youre struggling to recover.

[yarakefendi]

Go to bed Steven!

[stevey_6t9]

Go to bed Steven!

lol i have insomnia

[Mr.Rose]

lol i have insomnia

its only 1:15am

Meh wont be in bed till 4:00am, gotta whore it out.

[stevey_6t9]

^^ u gota do what a whores gota do. im off to bed gudnight slutface stipe.

[Vitruvian-Man]

ok the results are in ( 7+ months after cycle) (7 weeks after pct finished) and everything is normal apparently

Serum Testosterone level 9.2 nmol/L
serum LH level 3iu/L
serum FSH level 3 iu/L
serum TSH level 4.04 mu/L

serum prolactin level 284 mu/L
serum oestradiol level 100 pmol/L

my doctor says all these results are in the normal range :-)

ok so why is my sex drive still low?

in answer to Cousinbutch's question - i can get it up i just am not interested
i am never horny

i am on antidepressents, and i know these decrease sex drive but i have been on the same anti depressents for 9 years

way before i ever started takin steroids
and i didnt have a problem with low sex drive before

and i am currently on a fraction of the dose i was 9 years ago

i feel i may have to get back on cycle....

PM, me man, I'm going to go through the thread right now, just to re-cap all that has occurred. I have been following this since day 1, and I would really like to help you recover. I truly think we can elevate that numbers.

Do not do a cycle right now. I implore you. 7 months is a huge sacrifice, and I realize that; however, consider that you put 2+ years of steroids into your body with no break.... the recovery can take a year or more.

I realize starting optimistic is hard. But this is your last chance to truly see if TRT is your only option.

In any case, I think we should get you started on another PCT, and get those numbers elevated. Perhaps incorporate some HMG...

Talk to you soon.

-VM

[louiscypher]

PM, me man, I'm going to go through the thread right now, just to re-cap all that has occurred. I have been following this since day 1, and I would really like to help you recover. I truly think we can elevate that numbers.

Do not do a cycle right now. I implore you. 7 months is a huge sacrifice, and I realize that; however, consider that you put 2+ years of steroids into your body with no break.... the recovery can take a year or more.

I realize starting optimistic is hard. But this is your last chance to truly see if TRT is your only option.

In any case, I think we should get you started on another PCT, and get those numbers elevated. Perhaps incorporate some HMG...

Talk to you soon.

-VM

I totally agree with VM. I to have been following this thread and truly hope you get your natty levels back bro. Have you considered another HCG cycle?

[j4ever41]

yeah bro dont jump back on cycle yet! give it some more time,dont waste the past 7 months that you have invested,gluck to you bro keep us posted.

[CMB]

Yes, I thought I was the only one here who supported doing more than one pct.

I would do another.

You might want to talk to swifto about this.

AND

I would run clomid for months straight, it has been shown to increase serum testosterone levels by 146% with only 25mgs of clomid. Check out swifto's sticky.

[Vitruvian-Man]

Yes, I thought I was the only one here who supported doing more than one pct.

I would do another.

You might want to talk to swifto about this.

AND

I would run clomid for months straight, it has been shown to increase serum testosterone levels by 146% with only 25mgs of clomid. Check out swifto's sticky.

^^

You should read the entire thread bro..
-VM

[wouldrichest]

You need to be using an AI with HCG IMHO. Aromaisn 10mg/EOD.

Then Tore as I suggested and as VM correctly confirmed, with Clomid IMHO. Clomid is the KING of SERMs for HPTA recovery.

Keep me posted on what happens here please.

am very interested in this thread.. some great shit.. g-force please keep us updated on ur recovery in all aspects... maintaining, energy levels, libido, depression etc etc...

I am coming off close to a year long test cruise on and off soon (well when i get the funds to afford all the necessary products and such for recovery and PCT) no other compounds thank god and would liek to see how i could apply this to myself and what i can expect in the near future


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[Noles12]

am very interested in this thread.. some great shit.. g-force please keep us updated on ur recovery in all aspects... maintaining, energy levels, libido, depression etc etc...

I am coming off close to a year long test cruise on and off soon (well when i get the funds to afford all the necessary products and such for recovery and PCT) no other compounds thank god and would liek to see how i could apply this to myself and what i can expect in the near future


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[cimcimma1]

This thread is interesting. I'll be tuning in frequently.

[2009MrTeenTN]

i ran a 6 months straight cycle didnt post cycle until 4 to 5 months later, i followed vitruvian man's advice Clomid 150mg first 7 days then 100mg for 7 then 75mg for 7 and im about to go down to the 50mg for 7 days, i ran nolva 40/40/20/20 my labido is coming back sex drive still low had some testicular atrophy cliomid seems to be bringing the size back, i honestly think i had some penile atrophy as well, i was wondering should i stay on the regimant im on or should i do 500iu HCG for 21 days along with clomid and nolva? i also have arimadex, please help just turned 20 and want my life back to normal

[j4ever41]

bump for update.

[SteveCrammer]

Any update on this thread. I have been on almost 2 years and am thinking of the following agressive PCT, your expert input welcome please:

Week 1-26 HGH 20iu PW and Liver Protectants
Week 1 -4 Test P (3 x 50mg) 150mg PW, HMG and HCG 500IU ED, Aromasin 10MG ED
Week 5 -8 IFG1 60mg EOD
Week 5-10 PCT - Toremifene (Fareston) + Tribulus Terestris
Week 9-14 Insulin 10iu EOD
Week 10 - 14 Aromasin 10mg ED?
Week 5-14 Creatine Monhohydrate
Week 16 Bloods

[sa22c]

hey swifto i know this is an old post but i need to get in contact with you, to ask you some advice. i'm 22 my names Nathan and i'm from Sydney Australia, i have just joined this website after reading your posts about this topic.

[sa22c]

Hello Vitruvian Man. i found this thread today and joined the site today also. march 13 2012. i am 22 years old nearly 23 and took imo a fair bit of gear when i was 18-19 i tried taking zma it worked for a while back in late 2010 early 2011 along with other testosterone supplements. I have never done a pct. Stupid me. So i was wondering if i could ask you for some advice on what you think would be best for me to try and gain my normality back. If you could reply or pm me or something it would be greatly appreciated! cheers Nathan

[Flier]

VT won´t be doing anything as he has been banned ....

Start a new thread here in the PCT section.
Post your stats, cycle history and your bloodwork.

Great thread btw.

[Flier]

I´m curious now...hehe
What happened to G-Force, anybody know?
Recovered and happy, or HRT?

[EpyoN]

in for update as well

[Flier]

COME ON!......
The PCT section is dead bc everyone talking about pvssy in the lounge...
I wanna know what happened to the G. Man!

[RustedIron]

is it?
i was told it was in the normal range
low end of normal yes
but still "normal"

Sounds like it's normal as in "normal healthy human being" but you may not be where you were before. Do you happen to know what levels you were before you ever cycled?