Natural herb combo to help through pct low libido!!

**G-Dog82** · 06-26-2010, 11:28 PM

Hey guys,

about 6 weeks in to my test e cycle. this is my 3rd, first 2 were straight test P. Now while on pct, my libido crashes hard. I mean hard, To combat this im trying to make up a good libido and test boost combination starting after day 1 of my last final injection.

PCT is standard - 4 weeks nolva/clomid. 20 days after last inject
i know hcg would help but cant get it (aussie)

Libido boost - - Fenugreek, tribulus, Ginseng ??? 2 days after last inject
(any other combos or advice???)

Need to sort this now cause last two cycle were a nightmare pct, and lets say my new misses just gets back from overseas litterly 2 weeks after im done my cycle (limp dick) and is used to a juiced up horn dog that can get an erection while looking at susan boyle

**livingwithdoms** · 06-28-2010, 12:59 PM

not sure about any natty supps that will do the job that quickly, I think you may need some liquid cialis or liduid v for a few weeks.

**G-Dog82** · 06-28-2010, 03:45 PM

Originally Posted by livingwithdoms

not sure about any natty supps that will do the job that quickly, I think you may need some liquid cialis or liduid v for a few weeks.

Cheers mate, will look around. In Australia so could be hard

**Aussiebb** · 06-30-2010, 12:16 AM

Some boys are having good results with a natty product called resveratrol.Im a bit sceptical about it but it may be worth a shot.

**G-Dog82** · 06-30-2010, 12:26 AM

Originally Posted by Aussiebb

Some boys are having good results with a natty product called resveratrol.Im a bit sceptical about it but it may be worth a shot.

Was able to get my hands on some Viagra to get me through the down time. Prob jump on a natural libido booster as well. Cheers

**Gaucheharbor** · 06-30-2010, 06:24 PM

I too am looking for natural ways to help the pct. From what I can see not much is going to be as effective as armidex, hcg and nolva which I have on hand anyway. There are a few things I can suggest though if you can't locate hcg.

1.DIM-plus

Benefits of DIM-plus

DIM-plus™ contains diindolylmethane, a phytonutrient found in cruciferous vegetables including broccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower and kale. Unlike other plant nutrients such as soy isoflavones, diindolylmethane has unique hormonal benefits. It supports the activity of enzymes that improve estrogen metabolism. Scientific research shows diindolylmethane increases the level of "favorable" estrogens (2-hydroxy-estrogen) while reducing the level of "less flavorable" estrogens (16-hydroxyestrogen). (You would have to eat three pounds of broccoli to get this pills effect everyday!, which isn't that bad but make sure it's organic broccoli, if not you will find yourself consuming many chemicals as it's so absorbant when it comes to chemicals)

I buy mine from Iherb but make sure you choose UPS as your carrier as DHL gets pulled dup in Australia nearly everytime and you will get a $60 fee.

2. Stinging Nettle Root Extract

The best supply I found was also on Iherb comes in the form of Enzymatic therapy which is called Better Bladder for Men. Do your research on stinging nettle effects on androgens and you wont give this stuff a miss.

3. Give Trib a miss! It doesn't work! Don't listen to the bull s&*%!

4. Research chinese herbal medicines that help stimulate your LH, I haven't yet done it but LH is where it's at!

5. SQUATS!!!!

**G-Dog82** · 06-30-2010, 08:40 PM

Originally Posted by Gaucheharbor

I too am looking for natural ways to help the pct. From what I can see not much is going to be as effective as armidex, hcg and nolva which I have on hand anyway. There are a few things I can suggest though if you can't locate hcg.

1.DIM-plus

Benefits of DIM-plus

DIM-plus™ contains diindolylmethane, a phytonutrient found in cruciferous vegetables including broccoli, brussels sprouts, cabbage, cauliflower and kale. Unlike other plant nutrients such as soy isoflavones, diindolylmethane has unique hormonal benefits. It supports the activity of enzymes that improve estrogen metabolism. Scientific research shows diindolylmethane increases the level of "favorable" estrogens (2-hydroxy-estrogen) while reducing the level of "less flavorable" estrogens (16-hydroxyestrogen). (You would have to eat three pounds of broccoli to get this pills effect everyday!, which isn't that bad but make sure it's organic broccoli, if not you will find yourself consuming many chemicals as it's so absorbant when it comes to chemicals)

I buy mine from Iherb but make sure you choose UPS as your carrier as DHL gets pulled dup in Australia nearly everytime and you will get a $60 fee.

2. Stinging Nettle Root Extract

The best supply I found was also on Iherb comes in the form of Enzymatic therapy which is called Better Bladder for Men. Do your research on stinging nettle effects on androgens and you wont give this stuff a miss.

3. Give Trib a miss! It doesn't work! Don't listen to the bull s&*%!

4. Research chinese herbal medicines that help stimulate your LH, I haven't yet done it but LH is where it's at!

5. SQUATS!!!!

Thanks man all the advice, doing some research now. Got some Cialias tabs to get me through for the limp stages :-) Will def loook in to stinging Nettle now. Im using arimdex now as my anti-e, read shouldnt use through pct? have heard of people using during (pct) as well just thought if using through ur cycle not to during pct as potenial estrogen rebound?

**Gaucheharbor** · 07-01-2010, 03:14 PM

Couldn't yell you dude I'm very new to the whole steroid thing. I've just been researching natural ways to help pct as well. I'll swap some hcg for cialisis lol. DIM is defintitly going to help as it seperates bound testosterone . I reckon large doses of that for a few months. I ordered mine last week I'm thinking I'll take double recomended dose ontop of admidex, nolva and hcg. Just need to work out what to take and when I guess.

**Gaucheharbor** · 07-01-2010, 03:21 PM

What sort of cycle are you taking?

**G-Dog82** · 07-01-2010, 04:02 PM

Originally Posted by Gaucheharbor

What sort of cycle are you taking?

Straight test e cycle mate. 650mg aweek. Mon/thurs. So far up about 7kg.

**Gaucheharbor** · 07-01-2010, 08:24 PM

Im doing 200 deca and 200 test e a week for 10 weeks. Im half way through second week and I'm up 2 kg's and leaned out allot.

**G-Dog82** · 07-01-2010, 09:45 PM

Originally Posted by Gaucheharbor

Im doing 200 deca and 200 test e a week for 10 weeks. Im half way through second week and I'm up 2 kg's and leaned out allot.

You eating enough? Im up about 7 kg but probably 3kg of water retention. Always drop atleast that post cycle. Let me know how you go...

**Gaucheharbor** · 07-02-2010, 04:22 PM

Eating heaps. Only my second week so I didn't expect to be making mass gains yet. It's only been the last few days where I have been waking up feeling bigger. Trying to cut up at the same time so all my food is very clean and high in protein. After my first week gunk started happening so I had to start my nolva nearly straight away and now all side effects are gone. I honestly didn't expect so many issues when I started

**G-Dog82** · 07-02-2010, 06:26 PM

Ah for 2 weeks in thats fine. Ive def holding some fluid, fortunately i was around 8% before i started so no one can tell im bloated. Strange to get symptoms week one. This is my 3 rd cycle now and last two ive used arimidex and had no sides what so ever. However the pct on the last prop cycle was hell on earth. Think it was the clomid. Might have to strick up a deal on the hcg /cialias pm me :-) My first cycle i didnt have any ai and got sore nipples but jumped on some nolva for aweek and subsided. issue might be coming from the deca . Is this your first cycle??

**Gaucheharbor** · 07-04-2010, 06:29 PM

Yeah this is my first cycle. Week one symptoms are definetly a turn off of using steroids . I'm going to get some armidex in the next few weeks, how do you cycle yours? I think I'll stay away from the clomid from what I've heard. How come deca has issues? I read it was the safer choice?

**big_ron** · 07-04-2010, 06:47 PM

Originally Posted by Gaucheharbor

Im doing 200 deca and 200 test e a week for 10 weeks. Im half way through second week and I'm up 2 kg's and leaned out allot.

this is a week cycle and deca isnt the best choice for a 1st cycle, think about dropping the deca and upping the test to 500mg per week, what are your stats?

and have a read of this Test beginner cycle info

**Gaucheharbor** · 07-04-2010, 07:44 PM

How come deca is no good for a first cycle? I have already purchased my deca and test so I cant really change anything.

Stats? 6ft 1' 93kg before cycle. 15% body fat I guess. I'm 22 and have been training for 3 years but properly for 1 year. That what you wanted?

Thanks

**Big** · 07-04-2010, 07:48 PM

Originally Posted by Gaucheharbor

How come deca is no good for a first cycle? I have already purchased my deca and test so I cant really change anything.

Stats? 6ft 1' 93kg before cycle. 15% body fat I guess. I'm 22 and have been training for 3 years but properly for 1 year. That what you wanted?

Thanks

you should consider starting your own thread if you haven't already, so we can help you specifically

**G-Dog82** · 07-04-2010, 08:38 PM

Originally Posted by Gaucheharbor

How come deca is no good for a first cycle? I have already purchased my deca and test so I cant really change anything.

Stats? 6ft 1' 93kg before cycle. 15% body fat I guess. I'm 22 and have been training for 3 years but properly for 1 year. That what you wanted?

Thanks

Definitely run some arimidex if you can get it. sounds like you must be very gyno prone if your getting first week of a cycle, actually didnt think it was possible. I had a bit of gyno as a kid so i thought for sure i would struggle but arimidex has seem to keep in check. As one of the other guys said preferable to run test only on first cycle but im sure you have read that before. This is my third cycle and have never ran anything besides test. My opinion on it is if this is something your going to do for a long time then your best to keep it as basic as possible, just use what you need to get consistant gradual gains. Lets be honest we all not build or want to be jay cutler so why pretend to be.

Good luck bro, keep in contact ey...

**Gaucheharbor** · 07-04-2010, 08:50 PM

Hijack much? lol Yeah I'll have to start my own thanks.

**Gaucheharbor** · 07-05-2010, 06:16 AM

Did you get my pm?

I was going off advice from the guy I purchased the gear from. He said he used deca and test e and got great results. After my off season I'll try a test on cycle. I'll order the armidex next week so hopefully I'll be on top of all the problems. I was overweight when I was younger and my hormones are a little low so maybe it has something to do with that I'm not sure.

**G-Dog82** · 07-05-2010, 06:25 AM

Nah man, an email came through but had no text for some reason. Try and resend if u can.
Yeah i had my natural test checked a few times, mines on the low side of average. Could be the case. Arimdex should keep you in check i only use .25ml everyday which is probably the lowest amount u can use. i found little difference for me between .5 so just use what you need. Because your using deca and test i would prob go with .5 ed.