Do I need PCT

**matt00ttam** · 05-17-2011, 11:51 AM

Hi,

I have just about finished doing my first cycle of 200mg Deca per week and 40mg of Dianabol for first 4 weeks.

I have not seen results really, I have definitely put on size but im 32, 6ft 2 and have been training for 10 years and I have been this size before, so I have put the size increase down to muscle memory because my size went back quickly but not seen gains in last 6-7 weeks.

Anyway I realise im going to get lots of people saying YES, do a PCT. But I have experienced no adverse effects whatsoever (bare in mind im doing DECA on its own for the last 5 weeks). When you experience 'shutdown' is this 3 weeks after DECA finishes or do you 'feel' it during the cycle.

Everyone has said I will get shutdown on DECA mid way through the cycle and warned me against it, I dont feel anything adverse effects etc. and not concerned about losing size, as Ive been this big before naturally, so can I forget the PCT?

Thanks

**marcus300** · 05-17-2011, 11:54 AM

You shouldnt cycle again until you fully understand what your doing,

Yes you need a pct,

**cyounger100** · 05-17-2011, 01:39 PM

Originally Posted by matt00ttam

Hi,

I have just about finished doing my first cycle of 200mg Deca per week and 40mg of Dianabol for first 4 weeks.

I have not seen results really, I have definitely put on size but im 32, 6ft 2 and have been training for 10 years and I have been this size before, so I have put the size increase down to muscle memory because my size went back quickly but not seen gains in last 6-7 weeks.

Anyway I realise im going to get lots of people saying YES, do a PCT. But I have experienced no adverse effects whatsoever (bare in mind im doing DECA on its own for the last 5 weeks). When you experience 'shutdown' is this 3 weeks after DECA finishes or do you 'feel' it during the cycle.

Everyone has said I will get shutdown on DECA mid way through the cycle and warned me against it, I dont feel anything adverse effects etc. and not concerned about losing size, as Ive been this big before naturally, so can I forget the PCT?

Thanks

i cannot believe you are even asking this question amazing so are you saying you think you have fake gear and thats why you do not want to run a PCT

**Sicko** · 05-17-2011, 02:37 PM

Well you already knew this was coming so I might as well say it...Deca and dbol ...Really??? Why because they both started with the letter D ?? I would say that you would be foolish not to do PCT. And some research would do you some good too.

**matt00ttam** · 05-17-2011, 05:10 PM

Arghh these forums really bring out the worst in me. Its frustrating to just get patronising comments back.

This miserly 'come back when you have experience' is such a ridiculous comment it beggers belief. This is a forum, im asking for advice on what I consider a logical question.

I know what PCT is and how important its regarded but there are many individuals who dont do it. I simply tried to explain that from what I have read and from people I have seen on this forum, you usually experience 'shut down' during your cycle. Nowhere have I read where it tells you anything about when this happens, just that it happens to most people (not everyone). I have finished my cycle and have no shutdown, so I think its a fair question to ask if a PCT is necessary.

I realise that Dbol at even small amounts CAN stop test production by 100%, but I emphasize can because it doesnt happen in all cases. So if you have production stop 100%, you should have some sign this has happened. Im saying it hasnt so, this would suggest my test levels are ok.

I asking from research I have done, it doesnt make sense (to me) why I need to do a PCT so im asking for some evidence to say something like, yes after 3 weeks of Deca finishing, you will experience shut down.....but I have failed to find anything that suggests this.

Im just looking for a polite reply, if you cant give me one - please dont bother

**Sicko** · 05-17-2011, 06:21 PM

I guess it is equally as frustrating for individuals to come on to this forum and say they know what they are talking about and have read and then ask questions that are answered in the most fundamental of the starter threads.With that being said I will start over with a better attitude..Why do you think that you havnt shut down? If you had how would you know? Did you have blood work done before and after to confirm your claim? In all fairness many people do not do pct because they still can get a chubby, but that is only a small part of the problems asssociated with your HPTA shutting down.

**cyounger100** · 05-17-2011, 07:49 PM

Originally Posted by matt00ttam

Arghh these forums really bring out the worst in me. Its frustrating to just get patronising comments back.

This miserly 'come back when you have experience' is such a ridiculous comment it beggers belief. This is a forum, im asking for advice on what I consider a logical question.

I know what PCT is and how important its regarded but there are many individuals who dont do it. I simply tried to explain that from what I have read and from people I have seen on this forum, you usually experience 'shut down' during your cycle. Nowhere have I read where it tells you anything about when this happens, just that it happens to most people (not everyone). I have finished my cycle and have no shutdown, so I think its a fair question to ask if a PCT is necessary.

I realise that Dbol at even small amounts CAN stop test production by 100%, but I emphasize can because it doesnt happen in all cases. So if you have production stop 100%, you should have some sign this has happened. Im saying it hasnt so, this would suggest my test levels are ok.

I asking from research I have done, it doesnt make sense (to me) why I need to do a PCT so im asking for some evidence to say something like, yes after 3 weeks of Deca finishing, you will experience shut down.....but I have failed to find anything that suggests this.

Im just looking for a polite reply, if you cant give me one - please dont bother

okay since its so fustrating yes you need PCT

**bass** · 05-17-2011, 08:22 PM

Originally Posted by matt00ttam

Arghh these forums really bring out the worst in me. Its frustrating to just get patronising comments back.

This miserly 'come back when you have experience' is such a ridiculous comment it beggers belief. This is a forum, im asking for advice on what I consider a logical question.

I know what PCT is and how important its regarded but there are many individuals who dont do it. I simply tried to explain that from what I have read and from people I have seen on this forum, you usually experience 'shut down' during your cycle. Nowhere have I read where it tells you anything about when this happens, just that it happens to most people (not everyone). I have finished my cycle and have no shutdown, so I think its a fair question to ask if a PCT is necessary.

I realise that Dbol at even small amounts CAN stop test production by 100%, but I emphasize can because it doesnt happen in all cases. So if you have production stop 100%, you should have some sign this has happened. Im saying it hasnt so, this would suggest my test levels are ok.

I asking from research I have done, it doesnt make sense (to me) why I need to do a PCT so im asking for some evidence to say something like, yes after 3 weeks of Deca finishing, you will experience shut down.....but I have failed to find anything that suggests this.

Im just looking for a polite reply, if you cant give me one - please dont bother

here you get slapped around for your own good, it took me a while to see it! but everyone especially Marcus have nothing the best intentions to help you do thing right.

**timjitsu** · 05-17-2011, 09:33 PM

Originally Posted by matt00ttam

Arghh these forums really bring out the worst in me. Its frustrating to just get patronising comments back.

This miserly 'come back when you have experience' is such a ridiculous comment it beggers belief. This is a forum, im asking for advice on what I consider a logical question.

I know what PCT is and how important its regarded but there are many individuals who dont do it. I simply tried to explain that from what I have read and from people I have seen on this forum, you usually experience 'shut down' during your cycle. Nowhere have I read where it tells you anything about when this happens, just that it happens to most people (not everyone). I have finished my cycle and have no shutdown, so I think its a fair question to ask if a PCT is necessary.

I realise that Dbol at even small amounts CAN stop test production by 100%, but I emphasize can because it doesnt happen in all cases. So if you have production stop 100%, you should have some sign this has happened. Im saying it hasnt so, this would suggest my test levels are ok.

I asking from research I have done, it doesnt make sense (to me) why I need to do a PCT so im asking for some evidence to say something like, yes after 3 weeks of Deca finishing, you will experience shut down.....but I have failed to find anything that suggests this.

Im just looking for a polite reply, if you cant give me one - please dont bother

i understand what you mean but i also understand what they mean. if you woulda done just 5 minutes on either one of those compounds you wouldnt even have needed to post this thread. im still a newb but i try to do as much reading before hand and if im confused then i ask a question. the best thing you can do is READ, READ, READ. then read some more. and then ask. these guys are good guys. its just tough love lol