Stop Using Aromatase Inhibitors to Reverse gynecomastia! SERM's Only!

**numbere** · 08-01-2014, 08:27 AM

Originally Posted by Pantelis1001

Ok Thx and i am sry.

I have one more question about the matter. Somewhere in the article Austin propose not to use A.I with Serms because E2 levels could rise. In the case of gyno reverse on cycle, where the proposals are nolva or raloxifene, what someone should do? Stop using the A.I?

You're mistaken austinite never makes those claims. You should read the thread again. The quote below is directly from the OP.

I think gyno treatment should be 2 fold , treatment and then management. The treatment and management should occur at the same time using a serm and an AI. The SERM will IMMEDIATELY begin to prevent and treat gyno. The ai will manage estrogen levels lowering them to a proper level where serm therapy may be stopped.

**Deadren** · 08-20-2014, 08:17 PM

I had some pretty bad gyno in the past. Tried everything, nothing shrunk it like letro, made me a depressed zombie tho, but after the lump i had that was the size of a grape shrunk entirely down to barely anything.

**austinite** · 08-22-2014, 04:48 AM

Originally Posted by Deadren

I had some pretty bad gyno in the past. Tried everything, nothing shrunk it like letro, made me a depressed zombie tho, but after the lump i had that was the size of a grape shrunk entirely down to barely anything.

Letro does not reverse gynecomastia . Your chances of a re-occurrence are entirely high.

**austinite** · 08-22-2014, 04:50 AM

Originally Posted by oxfordbeta

I see that this thread is fairly old but i'll still give the question a shot. I have read that Ralox may be effective in reversing pubescent related gyno, as far as experimenting with it should I be concerned with some sort of "rebound" in any way when using it? Thanks in advance.

Yes, it has been proven to aid in pubertal scenarios. And no, there is no rebound effect.

**TrevHoff** · 09-27-2014, 06:27 PM

Yet another great thread here Austin.

Question... I had pubescent gyno that I had surgery on in my early 20's now 34. I have NEVER been happy with the surgery results as he needed to leave some of the lumps to keep the natural curvature of the breast.

My nipples still puff out to this day and extremely self-conscious about it (although look great when hard and find myself constantly playing with them to make them hard even when alone), would this recommended approach be worth a shot (Tamoxifen : 40mg daily for once week. Then 20mg daily until gynecomastia is reversed) OR is surgery still my only option?

**Lemonada8** · 09-28-2014, 02:38 PM

^^ if they are puffy tamox/ralox wont do anything for them, they only work if theres a lump there. (speakin from experience and science

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from what i found but yet to actually try, DHT gel looks promising for reversing the puffiness due to its actions at help removing excess fluids ( why DHT derivatives make ur muscles hard and not swollen)

**kelkel** · 09-28-2014, 08:13 PM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

from what i found but yet to actually try, DHT gel looks promising for reversing the puffiness due to its actions at help removing excess fluids ( why DHT derivatives make ur muscles hard and not swollen)

Several of my friends swear by andractim gel in combo with serms.

**TrevHoff** · 09-28-2014, 10:25 PM

Originally Posted by Lemonada8

^^ if they are puffy tamox/ralox wont do anything for them, they only work if theres a lump there. (speakin from experience and science

)

from what i found but yet to actually try, DHT gel looks promising for reversing the puffiness due to its actions at help removing excess fluids ( why DHT derivatives make ur muscles hard and not swollen)

Yes, I still have lumps that the surgeon had to leave behind to keep the natural curvature of the breast. It is the lumps that I believe are making the nipples puff out.

DHT Gel... Never even heard of it, to think I thought I had brushed up on my gyno knowledge.

**Hydrophile** · 02-03-2016, 07:36 PM

I'm 20 and have had pubescent gyno for 6 years (Lump type, a few areas of fatty tissue but the only visible part is the puffy nipple). I want to avoid surgery because of the cost and recovery time. Just stumbled on this thread and it this information is much more useful than any physician I've talked to regarding this issue. I haven't used steroids and don't plan to because my goal is only 200lbs (currently 180). That being said, I have a few questions.

* Is it a good idea to see an endocrinologist to check for low test before hand?
* Should you use an AI like DIM with raloxifene? (I'm assuming my estrogen levels are not right)
* Is this anything to be concerned about (Wikipedia):

Adverse reactions

Common adverse events considered to be drug-related were hot flashes and leg cramps.[4]

Raloxifene may infrequently cause serious blood clots to form in the legs, lungs, or eyes. Other reactions experienced include leg swelling/pain, trouble breathing, chest pain, vision changes. Raloxifene is a teratogenic drug, i.e., can cause developmental abnormalities such as birth defects.

Black box warnings were added to the label of raloxifene in 2007 warning of increased risk of death due to stroke for postmenopausal women with documented coronary heart disease or at increased risk for major coronary events, as well as increased risks for deep vein thrombosis and pulmonary embolism.[4]

A report in September 2009 from Health and Human Services' Agency for Healthcare Research and Quality suggests that tamoxifen and raloxifene, used to treat breast cancer, significantly reduce invasive breast cancer in midlife and older women, but also increase the risk of adverse side effects.[5]

**devil-1986** · 05-16-2016, 11:56 AM

have winstrol any effect on gyno ?

**numbere** · 05-16-2016, 12:39 PM

Originally Posted by devil-1986

have winstrol any effect on gyno ?

Whinny may lower your e2/T+DHT ratio but it's not going to reverse gyno.

**Men in Black** · 02-01-2017, 06:40 AM

Originally Posted by austinite

ga

1 question
does this protocol help pubertal gyno in anyway?

**Lemonada8** · 02-28-2017, 06:56 PM

yes!

**kelkel** · 02-28-2017, 10:00 PM

Well look who showed up!

**jimkuhn9** · 10-31-2017, 06:35 PM

Resurrecting this thread on Halloween.

So should I be taking both the Raloxifene 60mg daily and Tamoxifen : 40mg daily for once week?

Also I can't find tamoxifen anywhere is this the same as nolvadex ?

I am 26, tried to do a cycle 1.5 years ago, stopped a month in and took arimidex and nolva and still had very painful chest, the swelling went away and came back months later. I used all the arimidex and nova and ran out. Now chest has been painful for like 6 months and there are tons of small lumps ranging from dime to 1 inch long in my chest. I want to try this but do not know if they should be used together? Is nolva tamoxifen?

Nolva worked but always came back. From the side it looks like a girl boob

Thanks.

**kelkel** · 10-31-2017, 06:57 PM

Use one or the other, not both. They both basically do the same thing. If the lumps are hard and fibrous you need surgery.

**jimkuhn9** · 10-31-2017, 07:28 PM

Originally Posted by kelkel

Use one or the other, not both. They both basically do the same thing. If the lumps are hard and fibrous you need surgery.

they bumps move sometimes feel like they go away if I push on them, some days it seems worse then other days. Only one nipple has a bump underneath . I am slightly overweight but my chest clearly sticks out way too much. The bumps run all the way up my outside peck and into my shoulder then disapear. Mainly the bumps are the side of my boob. not much directly underneath the nipple but they are puffy and cone shaped and point outwards. nipples never were sensitive or burning. i just more had a side soreness.

**JaneDoe** · 11-12-2018, 12:44 PM

Very good

**JaneDoe** · 11-12-2018, 12:44 PM

:ri muito:

**JohnnyBreeze** · 01-05-2020, 07:45 PM

I really wish this info had been around back in 2000. I was 21, researched for months, followed the popular advice to the letter. Convinced a doctor to give me a script for Arimidex , had Nolvadex , etc. I thought I was smart because I understood the articles about anti-estrogens, PCT, etc. But I was really stupid because I ignored the fact that I shouldn't have touched juice at that age.

I did two cycles over the course of one year. I developed really bad gyro and lived with it for over a year. My self esteem was through the floor. I had to wear multiple shirts all the time. Wouldn't have sex with girls because I was ashamed of my chest. I thought I was lucky when I finally got insurance, but it refused to pay. I ended up making friends with a lawyer who wrote a letter for me and after, they cover it. Again I thought I was lucky.

I was so excited to have the surgery. Afterwords the doctor showed me how much tissue had to be removed by not just removing lumps, but liposuctioning my chest. The two piles of tissue were about 6 inches in diameter. When I finally got to look at my chest I knew it was off right away. The doctor told me I needed to wait for however long to let the swelling and everything heal and it would be okay. It wasn't. He took too much tissue off of my left chest so it was flat and pretty much no lower definition of the pec muscle. On my right side there was a little more tissue, but in the area just below my right nipple, the skin is pretty much stuck to my ribs.

I guess you could say it's better than the gyro was, but wearing thin shirts showed the disproportions. Now, 20 years later I'm in slightly better shape so it's not as bad, but I still can't wear thin shirts. Thanks for the info, I really hope it helps others avoid the mistakes I made.

**JohnPatron** · 02-29-2020, 12:13 AM

Hello i have been off steroids for 3 years and i'm just now getting gyno. mammogram confirmed very slight gyno. I got bloodwork and my test lvl was fine but estrogen is high. Should i follow this protocol that you posted or will i have to stay on it forever. I really just need advise.

**CaptainJericho** · 04-12-2020, 01:11 AM

Holy shit, no kidding.
I just started Aromasin as a precaution against gyno, and holy fuck every joint hurts like fucking crazy. I feel like I pulled my back in the middle of a 3 day stint of not working out at all (and even my "workouts" are at home with bands and whatnot, so not exactly like I'm tearing it up DLing, etc).
This has me really rethinking AIs in general.