Results 1 to 24 of 24
Like Tree10Likes
  • 3 Post By kelkel
  • 1 Post By numbere
  • 1 Post By numbere
  • 1 Post By numbere
  • 1 Post By numbere
  • 3 Post By Mr.BB

Thread: PCT for someone on TRT

  1. #1
    scojon is offline New Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    7

    PCT for someone on TRT

    I am 53 years old 6'3" 195 lbs and about 15% bf. I am planning on a first cycle of cypionate at 400mg a week. I am currently taking a trt dosage of 300mg every 15 days. Being I am on trt di I need pct?
    Also how long should I wait to go back to my doc so that my levels won't be sky high?

  2. #2
    73rr's Avatar
    73rr is offline Knowledgeable Member
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Posts
    1,764
    U just go back to your trt dose.

    U should style get blood work dearing and after. Good luck

  3. #3
    scojon is offline New Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    7
    How long should I wait to see doc so levels won't be too high and arouse suspicion?

  4. #4
    kelkel's Avatar
    kelkel is offline HRT Specialist ~ AR-Platinum Elite-Hall of Famer ~ No Source Checks
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    East Coast Dungeon
    Posts
    29,577
    Quote Originally Posted by scojon View Post
    I am 53 years old 6'3" 195 lbs and about 15% bf. I am planning on a first cycle of cypionate at 400mg a week. I am currently taking a trt dosage of 300mg every 15 days. Being I am on trt di I need pct?
    Also how long should I wait to go back to my doc so that my levels won't be sky high?
    First, welcome to the forum. Second, you need to find a new doc as yours does not know hormones at all. The half life of test is 5-7 days. He is dosing you on it's terminal life which is idiotic. None of the best doc's in the country would recommend this. It puts you on a hormonal roller coaster ride. Take a look at the graph below to give you a quick idea:





    At a minimum you should be on weekly injections. Every 5 days is popular as is twice per week but we are obviously talking about more reasonable doses due to the frequency. I'd strongly suggest (if you can self inject) that you drop back to about 100 mgs every 5 days and retest some basic BW in about 4 weeks or so. What your doc has you on is simply not a healthy protocol.

    I'm curious, are you on any form of estrogen control right now?
    How is your hematocrit level?
    Can you post up any current BW?

    Regarding your question about pct it is not needed like 73 said above. Visit the AAS Q & A Forum and read the Successful First Cycle sticky thread at the top of the forum. It will explain all you need to know for a first cycle, including for those on TRT.
    -*- NO SOURCE CHECKS -*-

  5. #5
    Marsoc's Avatar
    Marsoc is offline Productive Member
    Join Date
    Aug 2016
    Location
    Camp lejeune
    Posts
    2,452
    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    First, welcome to the forum. Second, you need to find a new doc as yours does not know hormones at all. The half life of test is 5-7 days. He is dosing you on it's terminal life which is idiotic. None of the best doc's in the country would recommend this. It puts you on a hormonal roller coaster ride. Take a look at the graph below to give you a quick idea:





    At a minimum you should be on weekly injections. Every 5 days is popular as is twice per week but we are obviously talking about more reasonable doses due to the frequency. I'd strongly suggest (if you can self inject) that you drop back to about 100 mgs every 5 days and retest some basic BW in about 4 weeks or so. What your doc has you on is simply not a healthy protocol.

    I'm curious, are you on any form of estrogen control right now?
    How is your hematocrit level?
    Can you post up any current BW?

    Regarding your question about pct it is not needed like 73 said above. Visit the AAS Q & A Forum and read the Successful First Cycle sticky thread at the top of the forum. It will explain all you need to know for a first cycle, including for those on TRT.
    Hey kelkel. What does the number on the left of the graph represent? And the bottom is number of days it she be taken? Can u please explain

  6. #6
    numbere is offline RETIRED- Knowledgeable member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,111
    Quote Originally Posted by Marsoc View Post
    Hey kelkel. What does the number on the left of the graph represent? And the bottom is number of days it she be taken? Can u please explain
    The numbers on the y-axis are the average serum test levels (in nmol/l or ng/100ml, it's been a while since I've read the study) after being injected with 140mg of either test e or c.

    The x-axis represents the time that has passed in days.
    Last edited by numbere; 09-01-2016 at 08:00 PM.
    almostgone likes this.

  7. #7
    kelkel's Avatar
    kelkel is offline HRT Specialist ~ AR-Platinum Elite-Hall of Famer ~ No Source Checks
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    East Coast Dungeon
    Posts
    29,577
    And there you have it!
    -*- NO SOURCE CHECKS -*-

  8. #8
    numbere is offline RETIRED- Knowledgeable member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,111
    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    And there you have it!
    Hope I didn't steal your fire.

  9. #9
    almostgone's Avatar
    almostgone is online now AR-Platinum Elite- Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    the lower carolina
    Posts
    23,691
    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    The numbers on the y-axis are the average serum test levels (in nmol/l or ng/100ml, it's been a while since I've read the study) after being injected with 140mg of either test e or c.

    The x-axis represents the time that has passed in days.
    Exactly, since we are in the X-Y plane. (in this view)
    Last edited by almostgone; 09-01-2016 at 11:30 PM.
    There are 3 loves in my life: my wife, my English mastiffs, and my weightlifting....Man, my wife gets really pissed when I get the 3 confused...
    A minimum of 100 posts and 45 days membership required for source checks. Source checks are performed at my discretion.

  10. #10
    AR's King Silabolin's Avatar
    AR's King Silabolin is online now Castle Power
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    6,612
    Quote Originally Posted by scojon View Post
    Also how long should I wait to go back to my doc so that my levels won't be sky high?
    Not long. Kel suggests a 7 days halflife. After one week you got 200 mg left. Should be a little high on the ng/dl-scale.
    After 2 weeks you will have 100 mg of the cypionate left. That level should give ya a normal healthy total test and your doc wouldnt know.
    But other markers may need more weeks. Like hematocrit, lipids perhaps. With cholestrol you can blame a bad diett, hct...well..i dont know how many weeks it needs to fade normal. Wild guess 6.

  11. #11
    numbere is offline RETIRED- Knowledgeable member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,111
    Quote Originally Posted by almostgone View Post
    Exactly, since we are in the X-Y plane. (in this view)
    Life would be much simpler if everything was only two dimensional.
    Last edited by numbere; 09-01-2016 at 11:38 PM.
    almostgone likes this.

  12. #12
    AR's King Silabolin's Avatar
    AR's King Silabolin is online now Castle Power
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    6,612
    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    The numbers on the y-axis are the average serum test levels (in nmol/l or ng/100ml, it's been a while since I've read the study) after being injected with 140mg of either test e or c.

    The x-axis represents the time that has passed in days.
    its called ng/dl...not ng/100ml

  13. #13
    numbere is offline RETIRED- Knowledgeable member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,111
    Quote Originally Posted by Silabolin View Post
    its called ng/dl...not ng/100ml
    100 milliliters = 1 deciliter

    Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

    The two alternatives are equivalent or indifferent.
    almostgone likes this.

  14. #14
    AR's King Silabolin's Avatar
    AR's King Silabolin is online now Castle Power
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    6,612
    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    100 milliliters = 1 deciliter

    Six of one, half a dozen of the other.

    The two alternatives are equivalent or indifferent.
    progressing there numbere?..i was expecting a real menstrual harsh comment

  15. #15
    almostgone's Avatar
    almostgone is online now AR-Platinum Elite- Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    the lower carolina
    Posts
    23,691
    Quote Originally Posted by kelkel View Post
    First, welcome to the forum. Second, you need to find a new doc as yours does not know hormones at all. The half life of test is 5-7 days. He is dosing you on it's terminal life which is idiotic. None of the best doc's in the country would recommend this. It puts you on a hormonal roller coaster ride. Take a look at the graph below to give you a quick idea:





    At a minimum you should be on weekly injections. Every 5 days is popular as is twice per week but we are obviously talking about more reasonable doses due to the frequency. I'd strongly suggest (if you can self inject) that you drop back to about 100 mgs every 5 days and retest some basic BW in about 4 weeks or so. What your doc has you on is simply not a healthy protocol.

    I'm curious, are you on any form of estrogen control right now?
    How is your hematocrit level?
    Can you post up any current BW?

    Regarding your question about pct it is not needed like 73 said above. Visit the AAS Q & A Forum and read the Successful First Cycle sticky thread at the top of the forum. It will explain all you need to know for a first cycle, including for those on TRT.

    I'll have to second what Kel stated regarding injection frequency. Just to make it a short story, I have a not too great cardiac history and a genetic blood disorder. After finally finding a Dr. that would even agree to treat my low T, I was started on 200mg once every 4 weeks. The first 7-10 days were great, after that the rest of the month was crap. After 6 months and 2 sets of labs showing that my T just before my monthly injection was even lower than my T before treatment, my Dr. moved me up to 200mg every 14 days. Fast forward through more labs and again my T was dropping. I asked her to split my dosage and increase the frequency and am now @ 100mg/week. Even though we don't want to treat off of total T and just to give you an idea of how much difference it made, total T on 200 mg every 2 weeks was 428 ng/dL if I recall correctly. On 100mg/week, total T was 661ng/dL. I will probably be going on self injections soon, and I plan to try 50 mg E3.5 days and see where that puts me.
    I would really advise trying to go to a more frequent @ lesser dosage protocol than the one you are on now. You'll have less T to E conversion, hematocrit and hemoglobin values will likely improve if they tend to run high, and you will feel much better.
    Last edited by almostgone; 09-02-2016 at 03:17 PM. Reason: Typos...
    There are 3 loves in my life: my wife, my English mastiffs, and my weightlifting....Man, my wife gets really pissed when I get the 3 confused...
    A minimum of 100 posts and 45 days membership required for source checks. Source checks are performed at my discretion.

  16. #16
    AR's King Silabolin's Avatar
    AR's King Silabolin is online now Castle Power
    Join Date
    May 2015
    Location
    Norway
    Posts
    6,612
    When you say total test was 428. When was that..at the day rigth before the next shot?
    And same for 661. Rigth before your weekently 100 mg shot?
    What kind of ester?

  17. #17
    almostgone's Avatar
    almostgone is online now AR-Platinum Elite- Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    the lower carolina
    Posts
    23,691
    Quote Originally Posted by Silabolin View Post
    When you say total test was 428. When was that..at the day rigth before the next shot?
    And same for 661. Rigth before your weekently 100 mg shot?
    What kind of ester?
    Testing was done @ ~ 8 a.m. just prior to my injection, Sila. I'm a night shift worker so it is convenient for me and works out well for testing to go by the Dr. when I get off of work. The testosterone is Pfizer Depo-Test. It is testosterone cypionate .
    Since I am on 100 mg/week, the nurse usually draws mine from the women's testosterone which is 100mg/ml, but as long as I'm getting my proper dose of clean pharma test, I don't care which vial she draws from.
    There are 3 loves in my life: my wife, my English mastiffs, and my weightlifting....Man, my wife gets really pissed when I get the 3 confused...
    A minimum of 100 posts and 45 days membership required for source checks. Source checks are performed at my discretion.

  18. #18
    kelkel's Avatar
    kelkel is offline HRT Specialist ~ AR-Platinum Elite-Hall of Famer ~ No Source Checks
    Join Date
    Sep 2010
    Location
    East Coast Dungeon
    Posts
    29,577
    Quote Originally Posted by numbere View Post
    Hope I didn't steal your fire.
    Oh hell no. Thrilled you guys are here.
    -*- NO SOURCE CHECKS -*-

  19. #19
    scojon is offline New Member
    Join Date
    Jun 2012
    Posts
    7
    I just started the cycle and will start taking exemestane at one syringe dropper every three days. Have no BW numbers and am not sure what a hematocrit level is.

  20. #20
    numbere is offline RETIRED- Knowledgeable member
    Join Date
    May 2014
    Posts
    4,111
    Quote Originally Posted by scojon View Post
    I just started the cycle and will start taking exemestane at one syringe dropper every three days. Have no BW numbers and am not sure what a hematocrit level is.
    Exemestane (stane) has a short half life.

    Due to this you'd be best served by taking it every day when on cycle.

    Oral syringes are I expensive and are the best way to accurately dose liquid research chemicals.

    You can also use a regular syringe with the needle removed.

    It's unfortunate that you didn't have pre cycle labs but you should definitely get mid cycle labs to help properly dose your AI and monitor hematocrit.

    You'd benefit from reading the attached thread below.

    Ancillary Reference Guide
    almostgone likes this.

  21. #21
    almostgone's Avatar
    almostgone is online now AR-Platinum Elite- Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    the lower carolina
    Posts
    23,691
    Quote Originally Posted by scojon View Post
    I just started the cycle and will start taking exemestane at one syringe dropper every three days. Have no BW numbers and am not sure what a hematocrit level is.
    Your hematocrit level is the percentage of.your blood volume that contains RBC. Sometimes referred to as your packed cell volume. You will want to keep track of.your hematocrit, E2, hemoglobin, etc. whether on cycle or on TRT.

    Since you are on TRT, I would encourage you to visit this area of the forum to help you educate yourself about staying healthy and getting the most benefit from your TRT:

    Hormone Replacement Therapy - Low Testosterone Treatment, Anti-Aging

    Also, give this link a good thorough reading. It is well written and you may find that you learn a lot from it. I certainly have and refer to it often for my personal use. There is a lot of good info contained in it that will explain the relevant labs, etc.

    http://forums.steroid.com/hormone-re...physician.html
    There are 3 loves in my life: my wife, my English mastiffs, and my weightlifting....Man, my wife gets really pissed when I get the 3 confused...
    A minimum of 100 posts and 45 days membership required for source checks. Source checks are performed at my discretion.

  22. #22
    almostgone's Avatar
    almostgone is online now AR-Platinum Elite- Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    the lower carolina
    Posts
    23,691
    There are 3 loves in my life: my wife, my English mastiffs, and my weightlifting....Man, my wife gets really pissed when I get the 3 confused...
    A minimum of 100 posts and 45 days membership required for source checks. Source checks are performed at my discretion.

  23. #23
    Mr.BB's Avatar
    Mr.BB is offline Anabolic Member
    Join Date
    Apr 2014
    Location
    HOME
    Posts
    6,902
    This is a funny thread.

    You guys are more interested in scojon's health than himself...

  24. #24
    almostgone's Avatar
    almostgone is online now AR-Platinum Elite- Hall of Famer
    Join Date
    Jun 2004
    Location
    the lower carolina
    Posts
    23,691
    ^^^I just hate to see him.on the hormonal rollercoaster I was on for a while and not get the optimal benefifs from his TRT. You feel good roughly 1/3 of the time and craptacular the remaining 2/3rd. : (
    Not to mention the increased T to E conversion, and potentially reduced hematocrit and hemoglobin.
    Last edited by almostgone; 09-07-2016 at 06:36 AM.
    There are 3 loves in my life: my wife, my English mastiffs, and my weightlifting....Man, my wife gets really pissed when I get the 3 confused...
    A minimum of 100 posts and 45 days membership required for source checks. Source checks are performed at my discretion.

Thread Information

Users Browsing this Thread

There are currently 1 users browsing this thread. (0 members and 1 guests)

Posting Permissions

  • You may not post new threads
  • You may not post replies
  • You may not post attachments
  • You may not edit your posts
  •