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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybigguns View Post
    is it any easier to use?
    There is a powerlifting gym about an hour away from me I was thinking about maybe checking it out.
    Definitely easier to grip. Checking out the powerlifting gym sounds like a great idea to me. An hour away isn't too bad. You could make that trip every now and then for a good change up. I bet they have a deadlift bar. I say go for it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybigguns View Post
    Today was my second time ever deadlifting and I get 415. How do you think I'm doing. I don't use wraps or anything would they help alot?
    I was the same way as you, for whatever reason naturally could deadlift a descent number. Personally, I love straps because I would rather build muscle over strength and I feel I isolate my back much better without my forearms crapping out too early. However, I think it was said before that your grip will suffer and while im not a powerlifter I would assume that is something you would want to have improve too if you are trying to start that. Either way, damn good weight for your 2nd time especially. Watch your form because sweet jesus bad form on deadlifts can hurt...for weeks.

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    i'm going for 455 this coming week or more if I can
    When I start doing a new exercise I can always get up in weight very fast

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    What do you guys think of this video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbHKP...eature=related
    Does anyoen know of any real good deadlift videos to watch?

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybigguns View Post
    What do you guys think of this video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbHKP...eature=related
    Does anyoen know of any real good deadlift videos to watch?
    Video is fine, you can also pull sumo ( sumo wrestler-like stance) the widened stance cuts down on the travel distance and makes it easier on the lockout, but more difficult getting the weight up. In this video the guy is using a conventional stance, making it easier to pull the weight off of the ground, but harder to lockout ( more travel distance) I personally lift sumo, test out the lifts to see what you're more comfortable with.

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    I pull like he does right now and it feels fine. But I haven't tried any others. I thought I read something about sumo not building as strong of a lower back or something.

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    i know you are eager to get your DL up, but make sure you dont overtrain. its probably the number one exercise to fry your CNS. dont use straps (except maybe for some rack pulls or shrugs), dont use hooks..but chalk and wrist wraps are fine

    good luck! 415lb is good indeed

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    I only dead once a week for now. What do you mean by CNS central nervous system?

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    yes Central nervous system.. its probably the biggest killer for a powerlifter when it comes to numbers...

    since building strength has to do with pushing your body's limits. your body needs time to heal.. like many have even said on here. If you are going for strength you should really watch how much you really do one movement.. you body will not be able to keep up.. this can lead to you hurting a muscle, losing energy, even catching a cold out of nowhere... your CNS is very important when it comes to powerlifting

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    How much time on average does it need?

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    You are strong as hell man. I would personaly video my form and have it looked at because even though you can do the weight sometimes little probs with form that you dont know exist can come back on you. Back inj. suck so just to be safe ya know. At your age you can do alot.

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    I think you are doing great!! Keep up the work. As far as straps, i will go against the flow here and say that deads are the only lift i use staps on. Its great that you don't and I would go as heavy as you can before using them as your grip strength will increase, but keep in mind that your back is a lot stronger than your grip and forearms, so chances are your grip and forearms will give out on you way before your back will so straps could help you go heavier.. JMHO

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    I'm thinking I want to go without straps as high as I can then if I was to compete use them just to get alittle edge

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    415 is a rediculous number for ur second time!! but its a better idea to not go for 1rm in deadlift until you have been doin it for a while... you should probly stick in the 8-12 range for a month or two to make sure ur form is right.. if your lifting with all youve got (ie 1rm) there is no room for error. WIth the 8-12 range ur body can adjust if your form is not good to protect your lower back.. just have ur form looked at before you go doin it again. if its fine then hell yer keep goin and aim for 500 in the next 6 weeks !

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybigguns View Post
    I'm thinking I want to go without straps as high as I can then if I was to compete use them just to get alittle edge
    I dont know of any federation that allows the use of deadlift straps. We dont ever use them at my powerlifitng gym.

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybigguns View Post
    What do you guys think of this video
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fbHKP...eature=related
    Does anyoen know of any real good deadlift videos to watch?
    http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8u899...e=channel_page

    On of the best video's I have come across yet. he has a number of great video's on lifting for power.

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    I thought I seen a ton of guys in videos all using them

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    Tried 455 today couldn't get it. Pulled 405 a few times. I think I'm going to have to wait to really get things working after im done dieting

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybigguns View Post
    Tried 455 today couldn't get it. Pulled 405 a few times. I think I'm going to have to wait to really get things working after im done dieting
    as previously requested, is it possible for you to video your DL and post it for form check?

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    Not that this time its not. I'm considering goign to a powerlifting gym thats about an hour a way and get them to make sure everything is good.

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    Quote Originally Posted by powerliftmike View Post
    i know you are eager to get your DL up, but make sure you dont overtrain. its probably the number one exercise to fry your CNS. dont use straps (except maybe for some rack pulls or shrugs), dont use hooks..but chalk and wrist wraps are fine

    good luck! 415lb is good indeed
    Never understood how wrist wraps helped lifting. If anything when they are tight they weaken my grip.

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    i'm guessing its just so you don't need to have as strong of a grip or for doing crazy weights you could never grip anyways.

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    do rack pulls and band work u have to rip that shit off the floor speed is the key!!!


    even on heavy reps go as fast as u can thats what brought my dead from 400 to 675

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    do you use wraps or a suit at all?

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    Was it 415 or 405?

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    i use a singlet and knee inzer sleves

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    wrist straps make u weak

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybigguns View Post
    How long have you been training
    about 2 yrs hardcore

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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenWyvern View Post
    Was it 415 or 405?
    It was 415

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    wrist straps don't make you weak.. Not trying to argue with people.. BUT..

    wrist straps get a bad name. just as alot of things in the gym get bad names because people rely on them. I use wrist straps from time to time. But yes it depends on your workouts.

    But, i will say i do alot of forearm and grip work on my aux day.. but IF your workouts are being hurt because your grip can't hold, then wrist straps are fine so that you aren't slowing down your whole workout... but what you need to do is figure out other ways to build that up..

    I can hold alot more weight than i can deadlift. but since i have fat hands and small fingers holding most bars over and over on my back dead kills my fingers. so i use straps (from time to time). I do agree you need to get use to grabing the weight and pulling it. but you also should not take away from your workout because you don't have endurance with your grip.

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    Strange weight for 2nd dead. My first dead was 405, 4 plates.

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    hell ya i use straps it makes a world of diff

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    Quote Originally Posted by FallenWyvern View Post
    Strange weight for 2nd dead. My first dead was 405, 4 plates.
    3 plates and 2 25s on each side

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    Quote Originally Posted by johnnybigguns View Post
    3 plates and 2 25s on each side
    Nice.

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    I know its not much of a jump but I got to 425 today

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    Amazing job. I have been doing them for 1.5 years and I just did 455 last night...so uhm yeah 600 will come for you fast.

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    I hope so. I never tried to even rep 405 before I just keep going up for for 1 rep but this week I did it 3 times easy I should of went for more but I was trying to save myself for a higher weight

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    Honestly I have had a lot of strong Dl'ers say they are best done in singles, form cannot help but suffer when you keep going. AKA he pulls it puts it down, takes a few seconds and pulls it back off the floor.

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    Depending how I feel tomorrow I might go for a rep max at 405.

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    Good job Guns. Don't rush it, you'll get there.

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