I have to apologize to Lion for thinking he was trying to stain me. he did in fact, in a timely manner, refund my order. I just got impatient not thinking about the holidays and how long it sometimes taks for the banks to do their bussiness. I was always respectful to lion in my correspondence, but just should have given it a couple more days before inquireing about my refund. And by the way, all of lions products that I have ordered in the past are rock solid products and do just what they are meant to do. Thanks again bro.