Current Natural Progress

[srebrenica]

Trying to Bulk Up

Current Stats
18 years old
176 pounds
5'10
12 bf i think

my goal is to be around 9 bf 220 pounds i want to look like the guy on the third picture that have posted by the time i turn 21

My calfs wont grow but my quads are growing crazy

[PC650]

nice goals bro. what does your diet look like?

[srebrenica]

my diet is in check
Meal #1
12 egg whites 2 yolks
1 cup of oats
8 oz red cap milk

Meal #2
5oz boneless chicken breast
1 cup of brown rice
1 tbls natty peanut butter

Meal #3

5oz boneless chicken breast
1 cup of brown rice
1oz alomnds

Meal #4 pre work out
8 oz 85%lean ground beef
6oz sweet potato

post workout=8 oz grape juice 6oz boneless chicken breast.


Meal #5
6oz turkey breast or boneless chicken breast
1/2 cup of brown rice

Meal#6
8oz ground beef
2 cups of broccoli.

[PC650]

my diet is in check
Meal #1
12 egg whites 2 yolks
1 cup of oats
8 oz red cap milk

Meal #2
5oz boneless chicken breast
1 cup of brown rice
1 tbls natty peanut butter

Meal #3

5oz boneless chicken breast
1 cup of brown rice
1oz alomnds

Meal #4 pre work out
8 oz 85%lean ground beef
6oz sweet potato

post workout=8 oz grape juice 6oz boneless chicken breast.


Meal #5
6oz turkey breast or boneless chicken breast
1/2 cup of brown rice

Meal#6
8oz ground beef
2 cups of broccoli.

wow i give you props on the diet, looks like youve done alot of research, i would loose the milk imo especially if you wanna be 9%bf . good job

[srebrenica]

I am bulking 16 weks than doing a 16 wek cut and i do 30 min cardio on Mon,Wed,Fri i think ill be fine if i am bulking i have a fast metabolism

[Gaspari1255]

Why does the third picture look like an ENTIRELY different person? skin tone and all?

[srebrenica]

my goal is to look like that possibly reach it by 21

[Gaspari1255]

I apologize...did not see that at first glance. Good diet, youre in the right direction.

[srebrenica]

based on my pictures do u think i can reach my goal when by the time i turn 21 i dont want to such roids at all

[FireGuy]

based on my pictures do u think i can reach my goal when by the time i turn 21 i dont want to such roids at all

Honestly, no chance. There are very few guys over 220 and in single digit bf% and even fewer who get that way naturally. I commend you for having lofty goals but I would set some shorter terms ones that are more attainable for the time being.

[MuscleScience]

Honestly, no chance. There are very few guys over 220 and in single digit bf% and even fewer who get that way naturally. I commend you for having lofty goals but I would set some shorter terms ones that are more attainable for the time being.

I agree, that is a pretty lofty goal in that time frame, not saying it cant be done. But you would look pretty wicked at even 200lbs and single digit bodyfat. Which if you do everything properly you should be able to do in three years.

[xnotoriousx]

Honestly, no chance. There are very few guys over 220 and in single digit bf% and even fewer who get that way naturally. I commend you for having lofty goals but I would set some shorter terms ones that are more attainable for the time being.

Agreed. Right now, your best bet is to just keep lifting big, and eating even bigger. You look good now, just keep on adding more clean muscle and who knows bro, when you're 21 if you work hard enough you might be bigger then the guy holding the football. How bad do you want it?

I've seen dudes make better changes in 4 months then others do 12+

If you truly dedicate yourself to your body, the sky is the limit. Take a look at some of the popular threads around here to see what i'm talking about.


Keep working hard bro.

[PC650]

depends on your genetics man but its very possible,

[srebrenica]

i think i have good base too start with i was 173 in 3 weks went up to 176

[PC650]

what does your workouts look like?

[srebrenica]

i got helped with my diet/taining from dedic8ed1 he is one of most helpful people on this forum
sets are 3 per small muscle group/biceps/triceps/calves

4 for everything else

Monday

Back
Wide grip pull up 3 sets of 10 that's your warm up.

Wide grip pull downs
bent over barbell rows/this move requires technique.
One arm dumbell rows
Dead lifts/bend your knees

Tuesday

Chest
Incline smith machine rack
Flat bench dumbell press
Decline fly's
Cable cross overs

Wednesday

Quads/hams/calves

Stretch

Leg extensions
Leg press feet close stance
Hamstring dead lifts
squats feet wide stance
Lying leg curls
Seated calf raises/feet wide stance
Standing calf raises/feet close

Thursday =OFF

Friday

Shoulders

Standing lateral raises /side delts
Smith machine barbell press/to the front
One arm side lateral raises on cable.
Front raises with dumbells
Reverse pec deck/rear delts
Dumbell shrugs/lean over just a tad
Barbell shrugs

Saturday

Arms
Biceps
21's
barbell curls/check the ego and feel the weight/no rocking
Seated alternates

Triceps
Push downs with cable.
Skull crushers
Close grip bench
burn out with dips to failure.

[t-gunz]

great to see mate.

keep up your diet and training and rest and you'll do wonders!

[srebrenica]

thanks my only problem are my calfs they wont grow as fast as my quads and upper body

[elpropiotorvic]

Man congrats on the good diet.. If u keep that up ... And train like that and sleep properly u will be posssibly 210 with the desired bf... Good luck man and once again congrats

[dedic8ed1]

I'm glad to see your following my diet and training strategy I won't except anything less and you know this.You look a lot leaner then your first pics you sent me.At this point I want you to drop all cardio,let's see what happens over the next 3 weeks.It will only help you build the size you need.Clearly your an advanced Ectomorph especially at the metabolism you have now after adding the meal frequency and training strategy your metabolism is spinning.

Also we need to discuss my calorie surge strategy.Because your metabolism is freakish "lucky bastard"lol this will put your growth on a new level.3 weeks is a good start now your primed and ready for some real education on how powerful whole food nutrition with an educated approach really is.MARK MY WORDS YOU WILL WATCH YOUR SELF GROW!!!!!!

Also in order to make the best of your calf work outs I now want you to finish your calf training on the standing raises machine after your routine of course.With as much weight as you can handle I want you to set the shoulder pad low in order for you to let the weight stretch your calves at the lowest possible point and hold it for as long as you can.Set small goals week 1 30 sec week 2 60 sec..I'm gonna start introducing a lot of new things now that you have a good start and are showing me that this is something your willing to work your butt off for.

[srebrenica]

props to dedic8ed1 he's the who helped me with my diet do u think i have decent base to start with now

[srebrenica]

ill drop the cardio and see what results i get after 1 month I appreciate the input i and all you have done!

[dedic8ed1]

ill drop the cardio and see what results i get after 1 month I appreciate the input i and all you have done!

PM me Sunday and I'll walk you through my calorie surge strategy.

[BG]

PM me Sunday and I'll walk you through my calorie surge strategy.

why through a pm ? Why not in public like e everyone else does ?

[FireGuy]

why through a pm ? Why not in public like e everyone else does ?

Whenever I see someone wanting to give advice via PM instead of an open forum it makes me think either, the advice he is giving is plagiarized or he doesnt want what he is saying critiqued by others. I am not stating that is a fact in this case but I would be curious to know why a PM is necessary.

[BG]

Whenever I see someone wanting to give advice via PM instead of an open forum it makes me think either, the advice he is giving is plagiarized or he doesnt want what he is saying critiqued by others. I am not stating that is a fact in this case but I would be curious to know why a PM is necessary.

exactly. For everyones safety advice should be openly discussed and scrutnized in public.

For the original poster I would be wary of someone trying to only speak with you via a pm

[srebrenica]

ill you pm sunday dedic8ed1 ur right fireguy i gotta start small and work way up to my big goal i think i have decent genetics which will help out. If i reach my goal by 24 i'd be happy camper as xnotoriousx said depends how truly dedicate yourself to your body i totally agree

[XD40]

dedic8ed1 : You taking this young man under your wing is truly awesome. I wish more guys did what you are doing on this forum...Maybe the more experienced members should pick guys and help them out like you are doing. Possibly make it a competition!

OP: you have the right stuff going on bro, you have your sh1t together! FOLLOW dedic8ed's advice and know you are lucky to have such direction! Good Luck with your transformation and don't give up!

[energizer bunny]

BG...Fireguy........i can understand fully in what you are saying.....but dedicated1 has documented with great detail and photos of his experience/transformation......

im sure dedicate1 is only tryin to help and will have no problems with posting his advice up for all to see..........

To the OP...BG is correct in saying you should be wary because most people only want something.....i.e a source.......my advice is to check through the threads/posts of people who are trying to help you.....that way you can get an idea of what they are like...

[MuscleScience]

I also agree that advice should be given out in the open forum for all to benefit from.

[srebrenica]

i trust dedic8ed1 i have see him help plenty of other people All the advice he has give me has worked out pretty well

[FireGuy]

i trust dedic8ed1 i have see him help plenty of other people All the advice he has give me has worked out pretty well

This has nothing to do with whether you trust him or anyone else for that matter. I have answered many questions via PM but have never solicited anyone to PM me for advice. The Forums are designed to share knowledge and give and receive information. This makes information available to all and subjects statements made to peer review.

I was one of the first members to congratulate Dedicated on his transformation and actually gave him a fair amount of advice upon him PMing me without me asking. I do take issue with quite a few of his statements lately where he is saying "you must listen to me and only me".
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=393508 Posts 11 and 14 are the kind of things I am speaking of.

If someone has hired you as their personal trainer then those ground rules are expected to be followed.

Here we give advice and opinions, the undertone of many of Dedicateds posts lately of "taking members under his wing" and having them PM them so they can follow specific guidelines set forth by him are a bit disturbing. I give him kudos for getting himself into fantastic shape but I am not so sure this gives him the Guru like status he seems to be projecting lately.

Let me state again, I do not mean this as a personal attack on Dedicated. As I said earlier I worked with him and have much respect for what he accomplished. This is about keeping the forums open. Unless you are going to be giving out personal information about yourself I cant think of any reason you would solicit a PM from another member.

[dedic8ed1]

why through a pm ? Why not in public like e everyone else does ?

I believe it gives the individual a sense of close personal attention.I'm trying to make a difference in people,some say they want to reach there goal I say I'm gonna make sure of it.

#2 It provokes thought as this high jacked thread fully demonstrates.

dedic8ed1 : You taking this young man under your wing is truly awesome. I wish more guys did what you are doing on this forum...Maybe the more experienced members should pick guys and help them out like you are doing. Possibly make it a competition!

Not everyone seems to think so.I WONDER WHY??????????????




Thanks,I'm simply trying to make a difference in helping others who stop making excuses and prove to me that there ready to put the work in.It's truly a great feeling to know that I was the instrument in raising there quality of life through natural diet and training.

OP: you have the right stuff going on bro, you have your sh1t together! FOLLOW dedic8ed's advice and know you are lucky to have such direction! Good Luck with your transformation and don't give up!

Whenever I see someone wanting to give advice via PM instead of an open forum it makes me think either, the advice he is giving is plagiarized or he doesnt want what he is saying critiqued by others. I am not stating that is a fact in this case but I would be curious to know why a PM is necessary.

Refer to BG quote.

exactly. For everyones safety advice should be openly discussed and scrutnized in public.


Which all too often causes the individual analysis paralysis taking in too much information on too many topics to effectively rule out what's working for the individual and what's not.

For the original poster I would be wary of someone trying to only speak with you via a pm

Agreed,there has been dealer solicitation beware.

I also agree that advice should be given out in the open forum for all to benefit from.

Noted.

This has nothing to do with whether you trust him or anyone else for that matter. I have answered many questions via PM but have never solicited anyone to PM me for advice. The Forums are designed to share knowledge and give and receive information. This makes information available to all and subjects statements made to peer review.Noted

I was one of the first members to congratulate Dedicated on his transformation and actually gave him a fair amount of advice upon him PMing me without me asking. I do take issue with quite a few of his statements lately where he is saying "you must listen to me and only me".
http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=393508 Posts 11 and 14 are the kind of things I am speaking of.


This protocol ensures that my advice is working for you or not.If you follow what I lay out and it's not for you then you just killed 2 birds with one stone.My way of traveling towards your goal didn't work and there's no reason to think other wise. Juturna's before and after pics speak for itself.I reinforced J with all my support.I demonstrated concern with his venture I didn't agree with and in the end I was rite,and now he's smarter for the experience.


If someone has hired you as their personal trainer then those ground rules are expected to be followed.


I'm no personal trainer. I'm just someone who enjoys bringing the best out of those who are willing to put in the work.

Here we give advice and opinions, the undertone of many of Dedicateds posts lately of "taking members under his wing" and having them PM them so they can follow specific guidelines set forth by him are a bit disturbing. I give him kudos for getting himself into fantastic shape but I am not so sure this gives him the Guru like status he seems to be projecting lately.



Wow,I'm projecting a GURU like status cause people start threads and members give praise on my diet and training suggestions and results. I'm truly a bit disturbed myself at this statement.In my "Pre contest load double edge sword thread"http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=397487I stated that everything I learned in the past 24 weeks is more then any so called GURU could tell me about how MY body works.It's not in me to call myself a GURU it's just too self serving.

Let me state again, I do not mean this as a personal attack on Dedicated. As I said earlier I worked with him and have much respect for what he accomplished. This is about keeping the forums open. Unless you are going to be giving out personal information about yourself I cant think of any reason you would solicit a PM from another member.

I'm solicited several times a month from members who want my guidance not personal information.

Let me set the record straight.I like "Taking people under my wing"because it gives me a sense of accomplishment that I raised your quality of life through something so demanding of the individual it turns you into a better person.Raising moral,self respect and discipline.Your gonna really know what your made of when achieving something great that you never thought was possible. Especially when it's done naturally,DRUG FREE.If the way I do things is considered wrong your certainly entitled to your opinion.

[FireGuy]

I believe it gives the individual a sense of close personal attention.I'm trying to make a difference in people,some say they want to reach there goal I say I'm gonna make sure of it.

#2 It provokes thought as this high jacked thread fully demonstrates.







Refer to BG quote.



Agreed,there has been dealer solicitation beware.


Noted.



I'm solicited several times a month from members who want my guidance not personal information.

Let me set the record straight.I like "Taking people under my wing"because it gives me a sense of accomplishment that I raised your quality of life through something so demanding of the individual it turns you into a better person.Raising moral,self respect and discipline.Your gonna really know what your made of when achieving something great that you never thought was possible. Especially when it's done naturally,DRUG FREE.If the way I do things is considered wrong your certainly entitled to your opinion.

Please remember you are talking to a guy who competed for nearly 2 decades 100% DRUG FREE. I actually dont have any problems with the advice you have given and agree with most of what you say.My concern is that it has gone from advice to more of "self promotion". I have prepped many individuals for many contests but you will not see me using the forums as a platform to promote myself. Nark has probably whipped more people into shape and made more physique transformations than he can remember but we dont see him doing this either.

I think you bring a lot to the table and I hope you continue to post. I think you will find you will be much better received if you quit with the "listen only to me" type of statements.

[MuscleScience]

Please remember you are talking to a guy who competed for nearly 2 decades 100% DRUG FREE. I actually dont have any problems with the advice you have given and agree with most of what you say.My concern is that it has gone from advice to more of "self promotion". I have prepped many individuals for many contests but you will not see me using the forums as a platform to promote myself. Nark has probably whipped more people into shape and made more physique transformations than he can remember but we dont see him doing this either.

I think you bring a lot to the table and I hope you continue to post. I think you will find you will be much better received if you quit with the "listen only to me" type of statements.

I agree with fireguy, it is concerning when it seems someone has other motives other than simply helping. I am not specifically talking about you dedi8acted1. People with knowledge and respect have a higher responsibility to the lay person as they are very impressionable and can easily be led astray. That is probable the only issue that is concerning with respect to private advice and the only listen to me approach. Not to say that in pm's one can't give advice, it is more transparent to the rest of the community if the larger part of the advice is given in open. So that if any issue ever arises everyone can get the full picture as to what was said and advice given which only protects everyone concerned if a misunderstanding ever occurs. I am speaking in generalities here and am in no way trying to single anyone out. I am more concerned with everyone having a safe environment with sound advise on health and fitness.

[dedic8ed1]

Please remember you are talking to a guy who competed for nearly 2 decades 100% DRUG FREE. I actually dont have any problems with the advice you have given and agree with most of what you say.My concern is that it has gone from advice to more of "self promotion". I have prepped many individuals for many contests but you will not see me using the forums as a platform to promote myself. Nark has probably whipped more people into shape and made more physique transformations than he can remember but we dont see him doing this either.

I think you bring a lot to the table and I hope you continue to post. I think you will find you will be much better received if you quit with the "listen only to me" type of statements.

Should I let you know when another member pm's me to counsel them to achieve there goal and ask your permission if I'm allowed to help?.... Better received?I think my reception is fine...Clearly I've ruffled your feathers if your comparing me to your self and Corey Springer?I'll never accomplish in bodybuilding competitively what you have or what Corey has and still may in the future.I'm just a working class mundane,humble single dad who enjoys helping people achieve difficult goals by inspiring and advising in my own way.If in some way the way I do things has ruffled your feathers I can't apologize for that.All I can say is that this is my way and I'm gonna continue to help others my way.

I would like to apologize to srebrenica for this drama on his thread.

Unbelievable!!!!!!!!!!!

[Bigmax]

Please remember you are talking to a guy who competed for nearly 2 decades 100% DRUG FREE. I actually dont have any problems with the advice you have given and agree with most of what you say.My concern is that it has gone from advice to more of "self promotion". I have prepped many individuals for many contests but you will not see me using the forums as a platform to promote myself. Nark has probably whipped more people into shape and made more physique transformations than he can remember but we dont see him doing this either.

I think you bring a lot to the table and I hope you continue to post. I think you will find you will be much better received if you quit with the "listen only to me" type of statements.

I agree with Fireguy 100%....

[BG]

I believe it gives the individual a sense of close personal attention.I'm trying to make a difference in people,some say they want to reach there goal I say I'm gonna make sure of it.

#2 It provokes thought as this high jacked thread fully demonstrates.
Refer to BG quote.
Agreed,there has been dealer solicitation beware.
Noted.I'm solicited several times a month from members who want my guidance not personal information.

Let me set the record straight.I like "Taking people under my wing"because it gives me a sense of accomplishment that I raised your quality of life through something so demanding of the individual it turns you into a better person.Raising moral,self respect and discipline.Your gonna really know what your made of when achieving something great that you never thought was possible. Especially when it's done naturally,DRUG FREE.If the way I do things is considered wrong your certainly entitled to your opinion.

Now you did do a good job on yourself but what other qualifications do you have to pm members and " Take them under your wing " ? As I remember you were recently asking pretty basic advice. Also, big thing is you know your own body, but what worked for you wont always work for other so back to my first statement.

With you jumping straight in telling someone to pm is not the way to go. If infact you have made this huge jump in dietary knowledge please share...Ill keep a look out for people trying to hyjack your conversations, by you telling the member to pm you are the one hyjacking. Its best if a person can get as many points of veiw and have as many other people hear all his/her questions so the best possible advice can be given.

[dedic8ed1]

Now you did do a good job on yourself but what other qualifications do you have to pm members and " Take them under your wing " ? As I remember you were recently asking pretty basic advice. Also, big thing is you know your own body, but what worked for you wont always work for other so back to my first statement.

With you jumping straight in telling someone to pm is not the way to go. If infact you have made this huge jump in dietary knowledge please share...Ill keep a look out for people trying to hyjack your conversations, by you telling the member to pm you are the one hyjacking. Its best if a person can get as many points of veiw and have as many other people hear all his/her questions so the best possible advice can be given.

I was already working with srebrenica before he started the thread.Both his diet and training post are copy and pasted from myself.Too many points of view is where we have different views.This is become a bit of a pissing contest and I no longer care for it.I have my way and everyone else has there's.

[marcus300]

I believe it gives the individual a sense of close personal attention.I'm trying to make a difference in people,some say they want to reach there goal I say I'm gonna make sure of it.

#2 It provokes thought as this high jacked thread fully demonstrates.







Refer to BG quote.



Agreed,there has been dealer solicitation beware.


Noted.



I'm solicited several times a month from members who want my guidance not personal information.

Let me set the record straight.I like "Taking people under my wing"because it gives me a sense of accomplishment that I raised your quality of life through something so demanding of the individual it turns you into a better person.Raising moral,self respect and discipline.Your gonna really know what your made of when achieving something great that you never thought was possible. Especially when it's done naturally,DRUG FREE.If the way I do things is considered wrong your certainly entitled to your opinion.

But your not natural so why claim you are??

All this secret pming doesnt look good IMHO espcially coming from someone who claims to be natural but clearly isnt. Why lie?