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    Arrow STS vs DC

    Quote Originally Posted by Squatman51 View Post
    Ive read up on both DC and Slingshot training, they both sound good and I agree alot both of you have to say but how do think they compare or differ in terms of results, and i know everyone is different i just wanted to know your take on it and what advantages you think it might have over DC training
    I don't want to get an argument started. But, I will answer the question to the best of my ability. If it offends anyone using DC Training I apologize. I am only stating my opinion.


    I feel DC Training can give beginners a good foundation in terms of strength but the only thing you can progress on with DC is making strength gains. I can assure no one can keep getting stronger forever. Those following DC Training religiously don't seem to realize that volume and frequency are also forms of overload. Slingshot Training takes advantage of all 3 (Stregnth, Frequency and Volume). Essentially the difference is that I believe volume and frequency, like strength is another very good form of overload. One of the principles of hypertrophy that most bodybuilders agree on is you must consistently increase overload to the muscle in order to stimulate new growth. Well quess what? You can only gain so much strength! Eventually you plateau, but you can always add some more volume or change frequency!


    I do not like rest-pause, 6 second negatives and extreme stretching. From my understanding DC Training requires a 6 second negative. It is not that I do not believe slow negatives work because they do work to some degree. My personal thought is that it increases static strength mostly. That said, they are very dangerous. If you do them you will get some stronger but you can use a hand gun to get rid of a migraine head ache. The end result is not good!.

    A few things that often happen when training negatives:

    Severe muscle strain,
    muscle tears,
    ruptured muscle..
    Torn tendons.
    One last thing.
    If the negitive are so great why don't most powerlifters incoporate them? .


    IMO, you'll get hurt a lot using High intensity techniques as described by Mike Mentzer, Dorian Yates and DOGGCRAPP because these forms of training are dangerous. Pushing yourself to extremes is bad for you...PERIOD! And I don't care how much you rest between training sessions!

    How dangerous? Let me list a few: I was experiementing with rest pause training and my bicep tendon poppoed during the negative. Six months later a guy at the gym (doing negative only training) tore his shoulder out of the socket. I've seen tricep tendons ripped clean off the bone with rest-pause/heavy negative training. I witnessed one man doing heavy a negative using a leg press machine and the pressure was so great his ankle bones broke. Knees, lower backs, necks, rotator cuffs you name it, I've probaly seen it! And training beyond falure is notorious for causing a ruptured stomach wall. In fact, I experienced it my self during rest-pause.The list of injuries goes on and with extreme training styles!

    I do not believe in extreme stretching. Talk with those who have spend some time in a biomechanic lab and they will tell you that extreme stretching doesnt stretch the fascia directly and certainly not to any significant extent thereafter.

    THE STS IS ALL ABOUT USING LOW VOLUME, MODERATE VOLUME AND HIGH VOLUME TRAINING (PERIODIZATION) AS OPPOPSED TO BEING OBSESSIVE COMPULSIVE ABOUT EITHER OF THE 3!

    Here's a link to a thread that discusses some more differences between STS and DC. http://forums.steroid.com/showthread.php?t=319238

    I have learned there's more to bodybuilding that always trying to gain strength with low volume. I hope this helps!
    Last edited by Ronnie Rowland; 01-09-2008 at 06:11 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
    I don't want to get an argument started.
    Remember saying this? And then immediatley commenting on DC training for 3 paragraphs, while only giving your system a two sentance blurb....

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    Quote Originally Posted by Undecided09 View Post
    Remember saying this? And then immediatley commenting on DC training for 3 paragraphs, while only giving your system a two sentance blurb....
    From here on out it's best I don't comment on other training systems since it's going to start a bunch of nonsense. Not Arnolds, not Mentzers, not anyones. My plans are to strickly talk about Slingshot Training and answering questions about training/nutrition.

    In final, everything I said was spot on but I guess sometimes things are best kept off the open forums.
    Last edited by Ronnie Rowland; 01-21-2008 at 04:27 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Ronnie Rowland View Post
    In final, everything I said was spot on but I guess sometimes things are best kept off the open forums.

    Spot on? You have been kicked off 4 bodybuilding forums by the owners or the moderators of those forums for saying things that are complete fabrications of the truth and borrowing routines and whole paragraphs of wording from other trainers on the net. You proved it right here in this very thread where I proposed giving every guy on this thread 8 pounds of protein free of charge, shipped for free on my dollar, for one tiny simple thing....if you could just back up just a sample of the bullcrap that comes out of your mouth. And you backed your ass right out of it because both of us know once again you lie your ass off and I called you on it. I hope you at least figured out the IP address evidence part before you ever claim your prior screen names werent you again (that makes you look REALLY bad).
    Sadly because you are Ronnie Rowland professional bullshit artist.....noone got any free protein on this thread.

    You and the words "spot on" are on the other sides of the universe bro. I'm amazed that these guys on this board havent caught on to your act yet......... and give you some credence after you have borrowed and pilfered others routines and wording (and then change it around as you get caught) as your own and been run off so many boards. You will make a mistake or spew some "I train Ronnie Coleman" crazy stuff again down the line here and the people here will wake up. I give it about 4 months.

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    im intrested to know have either of you ever really tried each others routine/programme and if yes what was the problem with it ?

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