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    I can understand your concern, but you must understand that all of these side effects associated with tamoxifen have been discovered in association with BREAST CANCER PATIENTS. And the protocol that doctors give to breast cancer patients is WAY different than the method in which we bodybuilders use it. There is ONE thing that distinguishes the difference between our use, and breast cancer patient use (and this is what determines whether or not the side effects you mentioned will show up):

    - Doctors perscribe tamoxifen to breast cancer patients at 20mg per day and are told to use this FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE

    Let me repeat that last part for you incase you didn't fully grasp that: FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE. That means, longterm administration. Doctors don't give tamoxifen to breast cancer patients for a small 4 week cycle (like we do for PCT protocols), they demand that these patients use tamoxifen for MONTHS upon MONTHS and YEARS upon YEARS. And my friend, THAT is where the side effects come from. That's just outright abuse. When my mother was treated for breast cancer, she was put on tamoxifen after her surgery. 5 months into the use she was exhibiting pain in bones and joints, and it got so bad that she had to stop taking it, yet her doctor kept demanding that she remain on it. The practices of the medical establishment scares the shit out of me, they don't know what the fvcking hell they're doing.

    So, concerning tamoxifen use for a 4 week PCT protocol or even throughout a steroid cycle, nothing is going to happen to you. Granted there are always small exceptions to the rule, but virtually no tamoxifen-using bodybuilders have complained of the issues you listed (unless they were mass-abusing the stuff). You really need to be taking this stuff for months and years on end. So in the end, for your small 4 week PCT or just to keep gyno away, don't worry yourself to death. I hope this info helped, so good luck.

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    Good post Atomini!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomini View Post
    I can understand your concern, but you must understand that all of these side effects associated with tamoxifen have been discovered in association with BREAST CANCER PATIENTS. And the protocol that doctors give to breast cancer patients is WAY different than the method in which we bodybuilders use it. There is ONE thing that distinguishes the difference between our use, and breast cancer patient use (and this is what determines whether or not the side effects you mentioned will show up):

    - Doctors perscribe tamoxifen to breast cancer patients at 20mg per day and are told to use this FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE

    Let me repeat that last part for you incase you didn't fully grasp that: FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE. That means, longterm administration. Doctors don't give tamoxifen to breast cancer patients for a small 4 week cycle (like we do for PCT protocols), they demand that these patients use tamoxifen for MONTHS upon MONTHS and YEARS upon YEARS. And my friend, THAT is where the side effects come from. That's just outright abuse. When my mother was treated for breast cancer, she was put on tamoxifen after her surgery. 5 months into the use she was exhibiting pain in bones and joints, and it got so bad that she had to stop taking it, yet her doctor kept demanding that she remain on it. The practices of the medical establishment scares the shit out of me, they don't know what the fvcking hell they're doing.

    So, concerning tamoxifen use for a 4 week PCT protocol or even throughout a steroid cycle, nothing is going to happen to you. Granted there are always small exceptions to the rule, but virtually no tamoxifen-using bodybuilders have complained of the issues you listed (unless they were mass-abusing the stuff). You really need to be taking this stuff for months and years on end. So in the end, for your small 4 week PCT or just to keep gyno away, don't worry yourself to death. I hope this info helped, so good luck.
    Amen to that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Atomini View Post
    I can understand your concern, but you must understand that all of these side effects associated with tamoxifen have been discovered in association with BREAST CANCER PATIENTS. And the protocol that doctors give to breast cancer patients is WAY different than the method in which we bodybuilders use it. There is ONE thing that distinguishes the difference between our use, and breast cancer patient use (and this is what determines whether or not the side effects you mentioned will show up):

    - Doctors perscribe tamoxifen to breast cancer patients at 20mg per day and are told to use this FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE

    Let me repeat that last part for you incase you didn't fully grasp that: FOR THE REST OF THEIR LIFE. That means, longterm administration. Doctors don't give tamoxifen to breast cancer patients for a small 4 week cycle (like we do for PCT protocols), they demand that these patients use tamoxifen for MONTHS upon MONTHS and YEARS upon YEARS. And my friend, THAT is where the side effects come from. That's just outright abuse. When my mother was treated for breast cancer, she was put on tamoxifen after her surgery. 5 months into the use she was exhibiting pain in bones and joints, and it got so bad that she had to stop taking it, yet her doctor kept demanding that she remain on it. The practices of the medical establishment scares the shit out of me, they don't know what the fvcking hell they're doing.

    So, concerning tamoxifen use for a 4 week PCT protocol or even throughout a steroid cycle, nothing is going to happen to you. Granted there are always small exceptions to the rule, but virtually no tamoxifen-using bodybuilders have complained of the issues you listed (unless they were mass-abusing the stuff). You really need to be taking this stuff for months and years on end. So in the end, for your small 4 week PCT or just to keep gyno away, don't worry yourself to death. I hope this info helped, so good luck.
    Yeah I like that..

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