Current Natural Progress

[Mooseman33]

question,
if someone took a cycle years ago, and never has touched it again then decided 3 years later to do a sample contest prep, without any chems.
would it be considered a natural prep? seeing how u used zero chems to get to that point considering the juice u used years ago has no bearing on ur results?

or once u use u can never claim natural again?

not trying to get involved here,believe me, i had that battle, just a question for the vets, considering most have posted in this thread.

[MuscleScience]

question,
if someone took a cycle years ago, and never has touched it again then decided 3 years later to do a sample contest prep, without any chems.
would it be considered a natural prep? seeing how u used zero chems to get to that point considering the juice u used years ago has no bearing on ur results?

or once u use u can never claim natural again?

not trying to get involved here,believe me, i had that battle, just a question for the vets, considering most have posted in this thread.

Generally yes, Research shows at least in competitive power lifters that past use of AAS still gives them a competitive advantage vs those peers who have never used. The proposed mechanism is the increase in satelite cell fusion with skeletal muscle cells which permanently increases the nuclei number of the muscle fiber.

http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/16059740?ordinalpos=1&itool=EntrezSystem2.PEntrez. Pubmed.Pubmed_ResultsPanel.Pubmed_DiscoveryPanel.P ubmed_Discovery_RA&linkpos=1&log$=relatedarticles& logdbfrom=pubmed

The morphological appearance of the vastus lateralis (VL) muscle from high-level power-lifters on long-term anabolic steroid supplementation (PAS) and power-lifters never taking anabolic steroids (P) was compared. The effects of long- and short-term supplementation were compared. Enzyme-immunohistochemical investigations were performed to assess muscle fiber type composition, fiber area, number of myonuclei per fiber, internal myonuclei, myonuclear domains and proportion of satellite cells. The PAS group had larger type I, IIA, IIAB and IIC fiber areas (p<0.05). The number of myonuclei/fiber and the proportion of central nuclei were significantly higher in the PAS group (p<0.05). Similar results were seen in the trapezius muscle (T) but additionally, in T the proportion of fibers expressing developmental myosin isoforms was higher in the PAS group compared to the P group. Further, in VL, the PAS group had significantly larger nuclear domains in fibers containing > or = 5 myonuclei. The results of AS on VL morphology in this study were similar to previously reported short-term effects of AS on VL. The initial effects from AS appear to be maintained for several years.

[FireGuy]

question,
if someone took a cycle years ago, and never has touched it again then decided 3 years later to do a sample contest prep, without any chems.
would it be considered a natural prep? seeing how u used zero chems to get to that point considering the juice u used years ago has no bearing on ur results?

or once u use u can never claim natural again?

not trying to get involved here,believe me, i had that battle, just a question for the vets, considering most have posted in this thread.

There are different opinions on this, as far as I am concerned being natural is like being a virgin,once you cross the line you lose that status forever. You can compete in a "natural show" once you are clean anywheres from 2-7 years depending on the organization.

When I stated earlier in this thread I competed naturally for over 15 years it was COMPLETELY natural. Nothing was ever used that you could not walk up and buy at GNC. If Dedicated thinks running over a half dozen cycles then being clean for 6-8 months qualifies as "natural" well...draw your own conclusions on whether you find that deceptive or not. I guess if we all follow that line of thinking once a drug has cleared our system we are all "natural" again.