for Newbs - Read this before using AAS

[marcus300]

Starting on a low dose of 200mgs per week isnt going to do much IMHO, there are studies what show you need at least 300mgs per week to increase muscle tissue.

[sean_holland]

I see what your saying, and a good warning for everyone to educate themselves before doing anything that is going to alter their chemistry. But I have to agree with Marcus, gains are going to be lacking at very best with 200mgs a week. You need to find a happy medium between all the factors.

You must TRAIN NATURALLY (for YEARS) and have substantial gains from natural training and proper diet.

You must KNOW YOUR PCT & AAS before you use.

You must BE PREPARED for the side effects.

Don't be a retard, know what your doing!

[rbg]

Starting on a low dose of 200mgs per week isnt going to do much IMHO, there are studies what show you need at least 300mgs per week to increase muscle tissue.

Marcus I agree with you. Such a low dose isn't going to do much in comparison to 500mg plus, but it's a safe start in my book. There's so much else that has to be considered. With higher doses, comes cholesterol, and blood pressure probs. The reason why we were told to start orals first was because it prepared us for all these changes with the goal to make the final transition onto injectables...with all the progress made over the years, I still wouldn't change the way I started out. Yeah it was hard work, could have been a lot easier!

[marcus300]

Marcus I agree with you. Such a low dose isn't going to do much in comparison to 500mg plus, but it's a safe start in my book. There's so much else that has to be considered. With higher doses, comes cholesterol, and blood pressure probs. The reason why we were told to start orals first was because it prepared us for all these changes with the goal to make the final transition onto injectables...with all the progress made over the years, I still wouldn't change the way I started out. Yeah it was hard work, could have been a lot easier!

I dont agree with your methods because things have moved on alot from the old days of cycling. The things with low dose test is that your shutting down your system for no results so infact your causing yourself more harm than good, kind of backwards thinking IMHO.

[big_ron]

I dont agree with your methods because things have moved on alot from the old days of cycling. The things with low dose test is that your shutting down your system for no results so infact your causing yourself more harm than good, kind of backwards thinking IMHO.

agreed, and you said if your shut down then your shut down, you worry about things like tendons and the like so doing 200mg may help with that, but by the time your satisfied after all the years of building up to higher doses then your going to take alot longer your your natural test to come back compared to less cycles and a higher dose, whats more important? your tendons or hormones?
when its more likely training stupidly that you would injure them and not 100% certain where as you messing around your hormones for a longer period is.

[rbg]

agreed, and you said if your shut down then your shut down, you worry about things like tendons and the like so doing 200mg may help with that, but by the time your satisfied after all the years of building up to higher doses then your going to take alot longer your your natural test to come back compared to less cycles and a higher dose, whats more important? your tendons or hormones?
when its more likely training stupidly that you would injure them and not 100% certain where as you messing around your hormones for a longer period is.

That's a question of goal. It's hard enough to stop 19 year olds from starting AAS......most don't have a clue they'll most likely have primary hypogonadism by the time they're in their 30's. But if a person is determined to take it, and accepts that they will be shutting down their natty test production anyhow, why add other unnecessary risk to the equation as a result of starting on a higher dose than needed to make a gain?

[PK-V]

That's a question of goal. It's hard enough to stop 19 year olds from starting AAS......most don't have a clue they'll most likely have primary hypogonadism by the time they're in their 30's. But if a person is determined to take it, and accepts that they will be shutting down their natty test production anyhow, why add other unnecessary risk to the equation as a result of starting on a higher dose than needed to make a gain?

I - Individual differences: states simply that everyone is different.

You can not isolate such a limited factor such as anabolic and put a number on it, no one person is the same, case closed.

[rbg]

I dont agree with your methods because things have moved on alot from the old days of cycling. The things with low dose test is that your shutting down your system for no results so infact your causing yourself more harm than good, kind of backwards thinking IMHO.

That's what I fear is part of the problem, that all the emphasis is placed on the effects on the HPTA, but there seems to be little information out there now about the other considerable stresses on the body when starting AAS.

One of my answers to some feedback regarding the use of AAS and steroid induced reduced tendon elasticity. This is one of the reasons I was told that people must start low, as too high a dose of gear in the beginning will not only affect the tendon elasticity, but couple it with a rapidly increasing muscle strength leaves the new user vulnerable to tendon failure and rupture, let alone, the other sides I mentioned, such as BP, and Cholesterol, Acne, mental/mood changes to the new user who's unfamiliar with their effects.

Maybe seen as old fashioned and backward, but there was a reason for it.

[marcus300]

That's what I fear is part of the problem, that all the emphasis is placed on the effects on the HPTA, but there seems to be little information out there now about the other considerable stresses on the body when starting AAS.

One of my answers to some feedback regarding the use of AAS and steroid induced reduced tendon elasticity. This is one of the reasons I was told that people must start low, as too high a dose of gear in the beginning will not only affect the tendon elasticity, but couple it with a rapidly increasing muscle strength leaves the new user vulnerable to tendon failure and rupture, let alone, the other sides I mentioned, such as BP, and Cholesterol, Acne, mental/mood changes to the new user who's unfamiliar with their effects.

Maybe seen as old fashioned and backward, but there was a reason for it.

You are not thinking correctly with this, like BIG as stated you need a base to work from, a foundation to build upon before using steroids, this takes years, the base is for your body to get use to training and to strengthen your tendons and connective tissues.

Using low dose test will cause you more problems than good, the low does wont do a thing for mucle building and your shutting down a system for no reason what so ever.