Another gains being kept debate.

[Whoady]

Wow Blazen! This is something I definitely have to read, thanks for your awesome contribution!

I'm gonna answer Jame's question first cause I actually read about that before:
I also read that taking even small amounts of exogenous testosterone will shut you down. If a human produces 55-70 mg a week of test, and you take 100 mg a week, your body will sense this change and try and maintain homeostasis, therefore shutting down endogenous production. It's like a glass of water. The glass is your natural production limit, the water is your natural test levels. If you put more test in than your natural levels dictate, the water will spill (the HPTA will shut down production). By the same mechanism, I would assume that even taking 10 mg more than you need of test will also shut you down. I'm not an expert, so I'm here asking questions like anyone else, but I would think that is the way it worked.

Back to reading the post.

[jamesz123]

Wow Blazen! This is something I definitely have to read, thanks for your awesome contribution!

I'm gonna answer Jame's question first cause I actually read about that before:
I also read that taking even small amounts of exogenous testosterone will shut you down. If a human produces 55-70 mg a week of test, and you take 100 mg a week, your body will sense this change and try and maintain homeostasis, therefore shutting down endogenous production. It's like a glass of water. The glass is your natural production limit, the water is your natural test levels. If you put more test in than your natural levels dictate, the water will spill (the HPTA will shut down production). By the same mechanism, I would assume that even taking 10 mg more than you need of test will also shut you down. I'm not an expert, so I'm here asking questions like anyone else, but I would think that is the way it worked.

Back to reading the post.

I understand the logic but with such small dosage ?
If that is the case than even a small very mild cycle will give you erection problems (or the like) post cycle and we know that is not true.

[gixxerboy1]

I understand the logic but with such small dosage ?
If that is the case than even a small very mild cycle will give you erection problems (or the like) post cycle and we know that is not true.

Dont look for Whoady for advice or explanations of how steroids work

[Whoady]

Dont look for Whoady for advice or explanations of how steroids work

Ok why don't you explain in case I made a mistake? I'm just trying to help where I can and what I know. Just because I haven't cycled yet doesn't make me stupid.

[jamesz123]

Ok why don't you explain in case I made a mistake? I'm just trying to help where I can and what I know. Just because I haven't cycled yet doesn't make me stupid.

Oh so you have not cycled yet !
well I have a bunch of times and practically speaking I did not experience any real issues when coming off a cycle even though all I used most of the time was Nolvedex when coming off. One might have another scientific explanation for that (real quick recovery etc) but that has been my experience. i also never experienced Deca dick.
Just another point , I find it strange how HIT advocates cling to what Dorian Yates did or said as if that was some great validation for HIT.
Yates is one pro bodybuilder and a sample of one is just that ...ONE, it just aint enough.

[The Bear 79]

Ok why don't you explain in case I made a mistake? I'm just trying to help where I can and what I know. Just because I haven't cycled yet doesn't make me stupid.

Hands on exp. go's a long way here man. Would u want a doc that just read the book or a doc that has proven, successful, hands on exp diagnosing & treating patients over the yrs?

[jamesz123]

Hands on exp. go's a long way here man. Would u want a doc that just read the book or a doc that has proven, successful, hands on exp diagnosing & treating patients over the yrs?

Exactly. Also isn't it true that doctors for years said that steroids do not really do much, for sports purposes, back in the 50s and 60s while steroids were already in full use.

Plus my comment on HIT were not meant at anyone specifically. HIT opened my eyes to many things (and I did it for some years) but strictly speaking I do not agree with its long term practical application for building a bodybuilders body. I also do not think that Yates himself follows HIT the way Mentzer intended it - didn't Dorain yates do more than one exercise for even the smallest body part (like bicep, even though he does one set of each) and that according to HIT is over-training.