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[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey , I have recently read this whole thread. I`m at the end of my cycle whereas i tried to bulk the first 4 weeks and now trying to get leaner for another 4. Currently I`m on 200 gr rice (breakfast and post workout around 8 pm ), 50 olive oil, 80 gr almonds , before bed, 9 egg whites, one whole egg, 50 gr whey protein, 900 gr chicken breasts. Workout 4 times a week, 20 min of cardio 7 days a week, my sixpack is showing now. I`m 87 kg, 185 cm, 27 years of age. Here`s what i`ve been using :

1-8 test prop 400 mg weeklt
1-7 50 mg stanozol daily
6-8 (3 weeks) - tren acetat 0.5 ml daily (1ml contains 75 mg)
1-8 50 mg proviron daily
6-8 10mg tamoxifen daily
Also I`m running LDN 1mg before going to bed. Respond really well - no testicular shrinkage whatsoever, no low sex drive, nothing.
Vitamin b6 50 mg daily
1-6 t3 (really eats lots of muscle) 3 weeks 25 mg, 2 weeks 50 mg, 1 week 12.5 mg. I`ll quit tomorrow.

I would like to run 20 weeks cycle as recommended here in order to put LEAN mass with the next 10 weeks.
I`m considering running test enan 500 mg weekly + boldenone 400 mg weekly + proviron 50 mg daily. How it looks like?:

9-10 250 mg test enan deload
REload
11-18 500 mg test enan INCREASE TO 750 MGS WEEKLY
11-18 400 mg boldenone INCREASE TO A MINIMUM OF 600 MGS WEEKLY
11-20 50 mg proviron daily
Keep on using B6
11-20 tamoxifen 20 mg daily
HOw long should i continue the LDN? till week 23? What LDN are you referring to? The only one I know of is low dose naltrexone.

I have two more weeks on prop and tren and i think i will be able to come down to 9-10 % BF.
Once deload starts weeks 9-10 i would like to start slowly bulking lean mass while maintaining the BF.
How do i up the carbs? INCREASE BY 50 WEEKLY UNTIL YOU START GAINING TOO MUCH BODY FAT THEN BACK OFF A BIT FROM THERE AND HOLD. Should i get the fats lower? I would decrease fats if you are increasing carbs unless you are ectomorphic and have issues gaining weight.

Your reply will be greatly appreciated.

Thanks

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[alex.mitev]

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Exactly, the low dose naltrexone is the LDN I`m reffering to. IMO this works wonders.

Moreover, how should i do the carb loading. Now, I load every 6th or 7th day. Here is what my menu consists of (workout day):

7 am - 9 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 100 gr rice
10 am - 220 gr chicken, veggies, 15 ml sesame oil or olive oil
12;30 - 220 gr chicken, veggies, 15 ml sesame oil/olive oil
3;30-4 pm 220 gr chicken, 100 gr rice
6pm 30 gr whey protein, 15 ml sesame oil
6;30 workout
8 pm 30 gr whey protein
9 pm 220 gr chicken, 70-80 gr walnuts
How would i go about carb loading and modifying fats?

Also once the second reloads starts, you said i`d increase carbs by 50 gr weekly, but how many carb meals i`ll be gettin daily? Only 3 (breakfast , pre and post workout or more?)

Thanks in advance

[VASCULAR VINCE]

a bro at my gym has question for you ronnie.....supraspinatus tendon screwed up.... cant take lateral raises at any angle ....overhead press on machine cause no pain........could 8 sets for that one shoulder exercise be used to make up for lost volume??????

[Dtrain17]

Okay so I'll post up a cycle I wanna do soon. I can't get masteron for a while like you recommended though.

1-8 Test E (500 mgs), Proviron (50 mgs), Hcg (500 i.u)
9-10 Test E (250mgs), Hcg (1500 i.u, split into 2 shots)

And then here if I can I would do another blast, but I forget what I do if I want kids (I don't know yet so I'd like to be on the safe side.) Also I know you recommend Eq in both cycles but I'd like to use test alone first to see the sides, and I was wondering if Eq would be better to add in the next cycle or should I just bump up test dosage..too many options! Anyways the next blast would be:

1-8 Test E (500mgs), Eq (600mgs), Proviron (50mgs), Hcg (500 i.u).
9-10 Test E (250mgs)

Pct: Starts 1 week after last test shot (I think?)

1-2 Hcg (1000 i.u eod) (you recommended, to keep $ down)
1-4 Nolva (20mg Ed) *If Idc about libido, then proviron isn't really useful here?
I think you recommend aromasin to have on hand for during cycle also, I know adex is worst.
Thanks Ronnie, I know this is a lot of questions but i'm almost ready I think, I'll post pics up to show everyone the transformation!

[Ronnie Rowland]

okay so i'll post up a cycle i wanna do soon. I can't get masteron for a while like you recommended though.

1-8 test e (500 mgs), proviron (50 mgs), hcg (500 i.u)
9-10 test e (250mgs), hcg (1500 i.u, split into 2 shots) keep hcg at 500 ius during deloads. Then after you go off your cycle use more hcg for 2 weeks. I think you will be fine doing a 20 week slingshot cycle then waiting to increase hcg for 2 weeks after the 20 week cycle has been completed. Keep hcg at 500 ius weekly for 20 weeks then increase it for 2 week after the 20 weeks is complete. Keeping aromasin on hand is always a good idea. Also, some need letro to knock out gyno if it's a severe case but i would not use letro for over 2 weeks at a time. It's very hard on the body as a whole.
and then here if i can i would do another blast, but i forget what i do if i want kids (i don't know yet so i'd like to be on the safe side.) also i know you recommend eq in both cycles but i'd like to use test alone first to see the sides, and i was wondering if eq would be better to add in the next cycle or should i just bump up test dosage..too many options! Anyways the next blast would be: actually i do not recommend eq. It's better to use more test imo.

1-8 test e (500mgs), eq (600mgs), proviron (50mgs), hcg (500 i.u). (i would increase test to 750 mgs here whether you add in the 600mgs of eq or not.9-10 test e (250mgs)

pct: Starts 1 week after last test shot (i think?)

1-2 hcg (1000 i.u eod) (you recommended, to keep $ down)
1-4 nolva (20mg ed) *if idc about libido, then proviron isn't really useful here?
I think you recommend aromasin to have on hand for during cycle also, i know adex is worst.
Thanks ronnie, i know this is a lot of questions but i'm almost ready i think, i'll post pics up to show everyone the transformation!

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[Dtrain17]

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Okay that sounds good, thanks for the repliy! The reason I thought eq would be good is because i'm more of an ectomorph and it's hard for me to eat as much as I need to.
If i'm on aas I figured I need to up my protein a bit, and i'm at maybe 1.2 grams per lbs now (natural) which is around 210 grams of protein and is around the max I could get. I know it doesn't always increase appetite but I figured I would take the chance, but it's also pricey to use 600 mgs when I could use something else at half the amount with around the same results.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Dtrain17;6099098]Okay that sounds good, thanks for the repliy! The reason I thought eq would be good is because i'm more of an ectomorph and it's hard for me to eat as much as I need to.
If i'm on aas I figured I need to up my protein a bit, and i'm at maybe 1.2 grams per lbs now (natural) which is around 210 grams of protein and is around the max I could get. I know it doesn't always increase appetite but I figured I would take the chance, but it's also pricey to use 600 mgs when I could use something else at half the amount with around the same results. B complex vitamins can help stimulate the apettite and you will probably need to take prilosec for breakfast and dinner to prevent heartburn if thats an issue for you when eating a lot of food. You caould also try just 300 mgs of EQ per week to see if that helps you want to eat more.[/QUOTE]above

[Ronnie Rowland]

a bro at my gym has question for you ronnie.....supraspinatus tendon screwed up.... cant take lateral raises at any angle ....overhead press on machine cause no pain........could 8 sets for that one shoulder exercise be used to make up for lost volume?????? I generally don't recommend over 6 sets per exercise but if it does not flare up his irritated shoulder joint or create elbow pain due to all the extra pressing, then it would be okay. Vince Gironda was known for doing 8 sets of 8 reps per exercise and it is an effective way to put on size. Have him use a pretty wide grip to increase stimulation to the side delts during the overhead press given that grip does not cause him to have tendon pain. Some people have to employ a narrow grip when experiencing supraspinatus tendon flare-ups. Also haver him try partial one arm at a time cable and dumbell lateral raises working in the lower range of that exercise ONLY with light weghts and 15 reps per set.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

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[Ronnie Rowland]

Exactly, the low dose naltrexone is the LDN I`m reffering to. IMO this works wonders. I've never used LDN but if it works for you then stick to it.
Moreover, how should i do the carb loading. You do not have to use precision with the once a week carb load. Just don't over do fast burning carbs or you will crash . Consume plenty of slow burning carbs and eat pretty much what you want without stretching out your stomach in excess, Now, I load every 6th or 7th day. Here is what my menu consists of (workout day):

7 am - 9 egg whites, 1 whole egg, 100 gr rice
10 am - 220 gr chicken, veggies, 15 ml sesame oil or olive oil
12;30 - 220 gr chicken, veggies, 15 ml sesame oil/olive oil
3;30-4 pm 220 gr chicken, 100 gr rice
6pm 30 gr whey protein, 15 ml sesame oil
6;30 workout
8 pm 30 gr whey protein
9 pm 220 gr chicken, 70-80 gr walnuts
How would i go about carb loading and modifying fats?

Also once the second reloads starts, you said i`d increase carbs by 50 gr weekly, but how many carb meals i`ll be gettin daily? Only 3 (breakfast , pre and post workout or more?) For some 3 carb meals daily is all that's needed or they start getting fat while others need carbs every meal. What's your somatotype (meso, endo or ecto?)
Thanks in advance

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[alex.mitev]

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Well my somatotype is kind of hard to define - i seem to be ecto ,but not the lean one when i go over 300 gr of carbs i start putting on fat on my belly, I store fat mostly at the waist area as well as the lower chest area while my legs stay extremely lean all the time. It`s hard to put some size on and extremely easy to lose it (except for the legs).

What i`m thinkig of ,for the upcoming Reload, is having for consecutive protein/casbs meals as the last one will be my pre-workout meal ( i`m always hungry during the day). Then just a protein shake immediately post-workout and a solid meal (fish, walnuts, salad) an hour later as this will be pretty much my last meal for the day. Do you think not having carbs postworkout will disrupt my lean muscle growth? Very important quesiton.

Thanks

[Ronnie Rowland]

Well my somatotype is kind of hard to define - i seem to be ecto ,but not the lean one This means you are a hard gainer. [B]The best drug combo for such a body type is is test/tren/masteron/ GH and an occasional oral to help you gain additonal strength but the first four injectable anabolics mentioned are key to gaining additional lean mass without carrying as much bodyfat.. when i go over 300 gr of carbs i start putting on fat on my belly, I store fat mostly at the waist area as well as the lower chest area while my legs stay extremely lean all the time. It`s hard to put some size on and extremely easy to lose it (except for the legs). You should not bulk up but rather eat clean, train hard and work on gaining lean mass at a slow pace. 4 days per week of training is perfect! I have a very similar somatotype as you..[/B]

What i`m thinkig of ,for the upcoming Reload, is having for consecutive protein/casbs meals as the last one will be my pre-workout meal ( i`m always hungry during the day). Then just a protein shake immediately post-workout and a solid meal (fish, walnuts, salad) an hour later as this will be pretty much my last meal for the day. Do you think not having carbs postworkout will disrupt my lean muscle growth? I feel you shoul dhave a few carbs post workout if you are trying to gain mass. A medium sized apple would be a good choice. Very important quesiton. Regardless of what you take, how you train or what you eat, you will never become as big and lean as your counterparts who are mesomorphic. Take in 1.5 grams of protein per gram of body weight. You may have to reduce carbs to 200-250 per day if you begin to gain too much body fat. You can still get a good body but like many of us you do not have the genetics to excel in bodybuilding. You will have to work hard and consistent to make noticeable improvements.
Thanks

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[alex.mitev]

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Thanks!
I just concluded that having less than 200 gr of carbs daily makes me extremly week, flat and overall feeling like sh*t. I set my protein at nearly 300 gr (my lean bodymass is 170 lb), carbs at 250 and fats are aprox 50 gr.

having in mind i just finished my 8 week cycle (reload) looking like:

1-8 test prop 400 mg
1-7 stanozolol 50 mg daily
6-8 tren acetat 40 mg ED
1-8 proviron 50 mg daily

and we talked about second reload looking like this
9-10 deload 250 mg test enantat
11-18 test enantat 750 mg weekly
11-18 boldenon 600 mg weekly
19-20 deload 250 mg test
PCT starts week 23 - is that correct?

SHould i consider exchanging boldenone with tren or leave it like this for lean gains? ( i reckon it`d be too long to remain on tren)?

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=alex.mitev;6108929]Thanks!
I just concluded that having less than 200 gr of carbs daily makes me extremly week, flat and overall feeling like sh*t. I set my protein at nearly 300 gr (my lean bodymass is 170 lb), carbs at 250 and fats are aprox 50 gr. Then don't go lower than 250 carbs per day. I am the same exact way!

having in mind i just finished my 8 week cycle (reload) looking like:

1-8 test prop 400 mg
1-7 stanozolol 50 mg daily
6-8 tren acetat 40 mg ED
1-8 proviron 50 mg daily

and we talked about second reload looking like this
9-10 deload 250 mg test enantat
11-18 test enantat 750 mg weekly
11-18 boldenon 600 mg weekly
19-20 deload 250 mg test
PCT starts week 23 - is that correct? This is correct and if you added 1CC OF TREN per day to this test/eq cycle it would be much more effective!

SHould i consider exchanging boldenone with tren or leave it like this for lean gains? ( i reckon it`d be too long to remain on tren)?You can run tren along time just like test. In fact, they have discovered that the combination of these two drugs would work well for long term TRT! ADD THE TREN! Here's an article that helps explain- "The use of the anabolic steroid trenbolone has a long history in the bodybuilding but it has never really been considered a steroid suitable for therapeutic use in medicine. The U.S. Food and Drug Administration has not approved tren for use in humans. The media has often demonized it as a dangerous veterinarian steroid never intended for human use. However, the perception of trenbolone may soon change with the publication of a favorable study in a major scientific journal.


Joshua Yarrow and his colleagues at the University of Florida feel that trenbolone may be a viable alternative to testosterone for androgen replacement therapy. They are set to publish their study results in the February 2011 issue of the American Journal of Physiology – Endocrinology and Metabolism.

The researchers report that trenbolone enanthate may have certain advantages over testosterone that may make it an appealing treatment option for some individuals. Bodybuilders may be familiar with many of these findings.

Trenbolone is not adversely affected by the aromatase or 5-alpha reductase enzymes that metabolize testosterone into estradiol and dihydrotestosterone, respectively. Bodybuilders have enjoyed tren for years precisely because they are able to avoid steroid side effects related to estrogen and DHT.

Yarrow reports that low-dose trenbolone enanthate effectively produces anabolic effects in muscle size and partially maintains bone mineral density without causing prostate enlargement or polycythemia in castrated laboratory rats.

Supraphysiological dosages of testosterone enanthate were required to produce anabolic effects similar to low-dose trenbolone administration. However, negative side effects of prostate enlargement and elevated hemoglobin became problematic at this dose of testosterone.

Selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs) may be the current darlings of scientific research into alternative options for androgen replacement therapy, but University of Florida researchers are excited by the “SARM-like potential” of trenbolone.

They suggest that the actions of trenbolone are similar to selective androgen receptor modulators (SARMs). Low-dose trenbolone is called “SARM-like” because of the positive anabolic effects in muscle and bone without negative side androgenic side effects of prostate enlargement or polycythemia.

Trenbolone may have benefits over testosterone in terms of androgen receptor activation, the upregulation of growth factors such as IGF-1 and fibroblast growth factor, and anticatabolic mechanisms.

Competitive bodybuilders have often preferred using trenbolone in the weeks prior to a bodybuilding competition due to its purported effects at accelerating fat loss.

The current study confirmed that trenbolone has more potent lipolytic effects on visceral adipose tissue than testosterone milligram per milligram. Furthermore, visceral fat loss increased in a dose-dependent manner with trenbolone. In other words, the more tren used, the greater the fat loss.

Trenbolone’s lack of aromatization, while generally desirable, has often been problematic for bodybuilders who have used trenbolone as the only steroid in a cycle. Therefore, most bodybuilders include an aromatizable steroid such as testosterone or Dianabol in their trenbolone steroid stacks.

Researchers also recognize that the lack of aromatization could be a potential problem if trenbolone is used alone in androgen replacement therapy. In their study, trenbolone only provided a partial bone protective effect when administered to castrated rats. The authors attribute this to the non-aromatizable nature of trenbolone.

They conclude that low-dose trenbolone enanthate treatment has SARM-like effects on muscle/fat body composition. Androgen replacement therapy with low-dose trenbolone could potentially produce anabolic gains comparable to supraphysiological testosterone treatment without the associated side effects. The therapeutic risk-benefit profile of low-dose trenbolone appears superior to supraphysiological testosterone treatment; however, additional research into this treatment option is necessary.

The researchers should be applauded for dispassionately and objectively researching the potential of trenbolone in androgen replacement therapy. Trenbolone is an anabolic steroid that has been demonized more than others due to its limited use (in pellet implants used by veterinarians to increase muscle growth in livestock). Fortunately, they looked past the political stigma associated with trenbolone to revisit a therapeutic use for an old steroid.

Special thanks to Michael Scally, M.D. for his diligence in staying on top of anabolic steroid medical research and sharing this study with MESO-Rx.

Yarrow JF et. al. 7{beta}-hydroxyestra-4,9,11-trien-3-one (Trenbolone) Exhibits Tissue Selective Anabolic Activity: Effects on Muscle, Bone, Adiposity, Hemoglobin, and Prostate. Am J Physiol Endocrinol Metab. 2011 Jan 25. [Epub ahead of print"][ /QUOTE]above