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a bro at my gym has question for you ronnie.....supraspinatus tendon screwed up.... cant take lateral raises at any angle ....overhead press on machine cause no pain........could 8 sets for that one shoulder exercise be used to make up for lost volume??????

[Dtrain17]

Okay so I'll post up a cycle I wanna do soon. I can't get masteron for a while like you recommended though.

1-8 Test E (500 mgs), Proviron (50 mgs), Hcg (500 i.u)
9-10 Test E (250mgs), Hcg (1500 i.u, split into 2 shots)

And then here if I can I would do another blast, but I forget what I do if I want kids (I don't know yet so I'd like to be on the safe side.) Also I know you recommend Eq in both cycles but I'd like to use test alone first to see the sides, and I was wondering if Eq would be better to add in the next cycle or should I just bump up test dosage..too many options! Anyways the next blast would be:

1-8 Test E (500mgs), Eq (600mgs), Proviron (50mgs), Hcg (500 i.u).
9-10 Test E (250mgs)

Pct: Starts 1 week after last test shot (I think?)

1-2 Hcg (1000 i.u eod) (you recommended, to keep $ down)
1-4 Nolva (20mg Ed) *If Idc about libido, then proviron isn't really useful here?
I think you recommend aromasin to have on hand for during cycle also, I know adex is worst.
Thanks Ronnie, I know this is a lot of questions but i'm almost ready I think, I'll post pics up to show everyone the transformation!

[Ronnie Rowland]

okay so i'll post up a cycle i wanna do soon. I can't get masteron for a while like you recommended though.

1-8 test e (500 mgs), proviron (50 mgs), hcg (500 i.u)
9-10 test e (250mgs), hcg (1500 i.u, split into 2 shots) keep hcg at 500 ius during deloads. Then after you go off your cycle use more hcg for 2 weeks. I think you will be fine doing a 20 week slingshot cycle then waiting to increase hcg for 2 weeks after the 20 week cycle has been completed. Keep hcg at 500 ius weekly for 20 weeks then increase it for 2 week after the 20 weeks is complete. Keeping aromasin on hand is always a good idea. Also, some need letro to knock out gyno if it's a severe case but i would not use letro for over 2 weeks at a time. It's very hard on the body as a whole.
and then here if i can i would do another blast, but i forget what i do if i want kids (i don't know yet so i'd like to be on the safe side.) also i know you recommend eq in both cycles but i'd like to use test alone first to see the sides, and i was wondering if eq would be better to add in the next cycle or should i just bump up test dosage..too many options! Anyways the next blast would be: actually i do not recommend eq. It's better to use more test imo.

1-8 test e (500mgs), eq (600mgs), proviron (50mgs), hcg (500 i.u). (i would increase test to 750 mgs here whether you add in the 600mgs of eq or not.9-10 test e (250mgs)

pct: Starts 1 week after last test shot (i think?)

1-2 hcg (1000 i.u eod) (you recommended, to keep $ down)
1-4 nolva (20mg ed) *if idc about libido, then proviron isn't really useful here?
I think you recommend aromasin to have on hand for during cycle also, i know adex is worst.
Thanks ronnie, i know this is a lot of questions but i'm almost ready i think, i'll post pics up to show everyone the transformation!

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[Dtrain17]

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Okay that sounds good, thanks for the repliy! The reason I thought eq would be good is because i'm more of an ectomorph and it's hard for me to eat as much as I need to.
If i'm on aas I figured I need to up my protein a bit, and i'm at maybe 1.2 grams per lbs now (natural) which is around 210 grams of protein and is around the max I could get. I know it doesn't always increase appetite but I figured I would take the chance, but it's also pricey to use 600 mgs when I could use something else at half the amount with around the same results.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Dtrain17;6099098]Okay that sounds good, thanks for the repliy! The reason I thought eq would be good is because i'm more of an ectomorph and it's hard for me to eat as much as I need to.
If i'm on aas I figured I need to up my protein a bit, and i'm at maybe 1.2 grams per lbs now (natural) which is around 210 grams of protein and is around the max I could get. I know it doesn't always increase appetite but I figured I would take the chance, but it's also pricey to use 600 mgs when I could use something else at half the amount with around the same results. B complex vitamins can help stimulate the apettite and you will probably need to take prilosec for breakfast and dinner to prevent heartburn if thats an issue for you when eating a lot of food. You caould also try just 300 mgs of EQ per week to see if that helps you want to eat more.[/QUOTE]above

[Dtrain17]

[QUOTE=Ronnie Rowland;6104043]

Okay that sounds good, thanks for the repliy! The reason I thought eq would be good is because i'm more of an ectomorph and it's hard for me to eat as much as I need to.
If i'm on aas I figured I need to up my protein a bit, and i'm at maybe 1.2 grams per lbs now (natural) which is around 210 grams of protein and is around the max I could get. I know it doesn't always increase appetite but I figured I would take the chance, but it's also pricey to use 600 mgs when I could use something else at half the amount with around the same results. B complex vitamins can help stimulate the apettite and you will probably need to take prilosec for breakfast and dinner to prevent heartburn if thats an issue for you when eating a lot of food. You caould also try just 300 mgs of EQ per week to see if that helps you want to eat more.[/QUOTE]above

Okay thanks, the heartburn shouldn't be a problem and I do take vitamin B complex already as well as B12 with it also. I do 20 mins of cardio 3x/week also but after my workout, maybe do it at a different time to have 2 times a day where my metabolism is increased - for more hunger?

Okay so I know your pct protocol, other guys said hcg at 500 all cycle also but then when you go to pct I heard hcg isn't necessary, just use nolva. I know both ways would work just wondering your thoughts on that! Thanks Big Ron

[Ronnie Rowland]

a bro at my gym has question for you ronnie.....supraspinatus tendon screwed up.... cant take lateral raises at any angle ....overhead press on machine cause no pain........could 8 sets for that one shoulder exercise be used to make up for lost volume?????? I generally don't recommend over 6 sets per exercise but if it does not flare up his irritated shoulder joint or create elbow pain due to all the extra pressing, then it would be okay. Vince Gironda was known for doing 8 sets of 8 reps per exercise and it is an effective way to put on size. Have him use a pretty wide grip to increase stimulation to the side delts during the overhead press given that grip does not cause him to have tendon pain. Some people have to employ a narrow grip when experiencing supraspinatus tendon flare-ups. Also haver him try partial one arm at a time cable and dumbell lateral raises working in the lower range of that exercise ONLY with light weghts and 15 reps per set.

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[Ronnie Rowland]

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