Fatsed Cardio vs PWO Cardio - thinking of changing routine to maximize lifts

[M302_Imola]

I wouldn't totally get away from doing morning fasted cardio, instead I would use a mixed approach...some days morn fasted cardio and some days pwo cardio. IMO, pwo cardio with a duration of 45 mins isn't a problem if one is doing LISS (low intensity steady state), however I wouldn't start throwing HIIT cardio into the equation when muscle glycogen levels are depleted. You're setting yourself up to burn some muscle IMO. LISS is perfect in the glycogen depleted state but with HIIT I like to have some glycogen in the system. Anyhow, take it for what's its worth but this is what works for me and most the people I train.

[Live for the PUMP]

I wouldn't totally get away from doing morning fasted cardio, instead I would use a mixed approach...some days morn fasted cardio and some days pwo cardio. IMO, pwo cardio with a duration of 45 mins isn't a problem if one is doing LISS (low intensity steady state), however I wouldn't start throwing HIIT cardio into the equation when muscle glycogen levels are depleted. You're setting yourself up to burn some muscle IMO. LISS is perfect in the glycogen depleted state but with HIIT I like to have some glycogen in the system. Anyhow, take it for what's its worth but this is what works for me and most the people I train.

^This^

If you want to do HIIT after workout I would suggest no more than 20 mins MAX! Otherwise you will likely be burning muscle. For optimum results switch it up.. 15-20 mins HIIT for a week PWO. Then 30-45 mins steady state fat burning range for a week. Fasted cardio is a great way to go also as long as you stay at fat burning range or slightly above and don't exceed 30-45 mins. Always do cardio when glycogen levels are depleted for best results. ie PWO or first thing in the morning.

[FONZY007]

^This^

If you want to do HIIT after workout I would suggest no more than 20 mins MAX! Otherwise you will likely be burning muscle. For optimum results switch it up.. 15-20 mins HIIT for a week PWO. Then 30-45 mins steady state fat burning range for a week. Fasted cardio is a great way to go also as long as you stay at fat burning range or slightly above and don't exceed 30-45 mins. Always do cardio when glycogen levels are depleted for best results. ie PWO or first thing in the morning.

I do cardio PWO 10-20 mins Max and the weight is dropping off

[CMB]

Hey everyone, lets go run around at 6am like a bunch of starving zombies. good idea right?

[M302_Imola]

This thread lasted longer than I thought . There is no evidence that what's in your stomach and/or what time you cardio has lesser or greater effect on fat loss. I'd love to see any studies.

This is always a heated topic. Not to sound like an arrogant ass, but honestly I don't need to see the studies...proof is in the pudding! I know what has worked for me in terms of getting lean while holding onto muscle tissue (aas free, I like to cut naturally and then use aas to build lean muscle tissue at that point).

I love how just because some members here have thousands of posts means they MUST be correct.

Your argument is that if I wake up after 8 hours of sleep and no food, and go for a 45 minutes run, I won't lose an ounce of muscle.

bull$#it.

Hey everyone, lets go run around at 6am like a bunch of starving zombies. good idea right?

I don't really need to say anything here as you've done a pretty good job at making yourself look foolish. I've got an idea, quit hiding behind the racktastic chick in your avy pic and post up some pics of yourself!

[CMB]

Lastly, I know there are MANY variables when it comes to losing muscle. Too many to count. However, when you burn calories, without consuming calories beforehand, then you will go into a CATABOLIC mode. For those couple vets who shot down my statement as false, google catabolic and the definition. It goes hand in hand with fasted cardio.

Not trying to flame here, but everyone has their own opinion. We can't know certainly who is right but we can make educated guesses from experience and sports medicine.

A few last words: Fitness is NOT an exact science. So keep that in mind next time you say something is completely false.

[Sgt. Hartman]

Lastly, I know there are MANY variables when it comes to losing muscle. Too many to count. However, when you burn calories, without consuming calories beforehand, then you will go into a CATABOLIC mode. For those couple vets who shot down my statement as false, google catabolic and the definition. It goes hand in hand with fasted cardio.

Not trying to flame here, but everyone has their own opinion. We can't know certainly who is right but we can make educated guesses from experience and sports medicine.

A few last words: Fitness is NOT an exact science. So keep that in mind next time you say something is completely false.

Ok I will keep that in mind but your statement is still completely false.

You need to read up on the difference between blood glucose levels and stored glycogen. How much glycogen do you think is stored in muscle tissue and the liver? Do you really think someone eating a "normal" type diet can deplete their glucose levels during 8 hours of sleep which slows metabolism to nearly zilch?

Your view of how the body processes and partitions calories/nutrients is narrow minded at best.

My post count is much lower than the 2 other vets so I'm sure that makes me more credible.

[baseline_9]

I love how just because some members here have thousands of posts means they MUST be correct.

Your argument is that if I wake up after 8 hours of sleep and no food, and go for a 45 minutes run, I won't lose an ounce of muscle.

bull$#it.

Lol post count means nothing.

We cannot answer this question without knowing the detail..... It's not black and white......

Stats?
Intensity?
Level of glycogen stored?

And most importantly overall calorie intake.....

Lastly, I know there are MANY variables when it comes to losing muscle. Too many to count. However, when you burn calories, without consuming calories beforehand, then you will go into a CATABOLIC modelol this is ironic.... Are you aware that the process of freeing fatty acids from adipose tissue (fat mobilisation) is a CATABOLIC process....ie. if your cardio wasn't considered catabolic then that would mean you released no fatty acids to burn during it..... This is kind of beyond the point but a point worth making..... For those couple vets who shot down my statement as false, google catabolic and the definition. It goes hand in hand with fasted cardio.I am fully aware of the term catabolic and I think you need to understand that we cannot gauge the effects of a cardio session based on on what occurs during that cardio session (hence me saying 'see the bigger picture')......

Not trying to flame here, but everyone has their own opinion. We can't know certainly who is right but we can make educated guesses from experience and sports medicine.

A few last words: Fitness is NOT an exact science. So keep that in mind next time you say something is completely false.

With your last statement you really show your colours.... You were the one who made a bold and extreme statement..... And even closed it with 'There is no argument here'.....

I'm not being a Cvnt to anyone here.... Any time I challenge sum1 I'm not picking on them..... The issues stem form the bent fitness industry and we are all or have all been suckers at one point, playing into there hands....


When I see things that I know (or even think) are wrong I will challenge it..... And I tend to not challenge many topics but this is one I will have a good go at.....

[austinite]

When I see things that I know (or even think) are wrong I will challenge it..... And I tend to not challenge many topics but this is one I will have a good go at.....

That's what I like about you. Nothing wrong with that, it triggers a healthy debate. Unfortunately too many people take it personally.

[baseline_9]

That's what I like about you. Nothing wrong with that, it triggers a healthy debate. Unfortunately too many people take it personally.

Yeh I can see why people take it the wrong way.... I think I probably would have in the past if sum1 questioned some of the 'bro-shit' I used to recommend..... So I don't blame people for taking it personally, it's just human nature....

I don't care if people like me tho So if they take it personally, whatever.... I'm sure they will learn to know what I'm like over time.....

[Live for the PUMP]

I do cardio PWO 10-20 mins Max and the weight is dropping off

As it should bro! Keep it up!