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    Quote Originally Posted by Back In Black View Post
    You will lose everything if your diet is poor or you are so far beyond your own genetic limit that it is difficult, but not impossible, to keep all your gains. There are guys on this site under 6 foot who,relatively easily, maintain almost 250lbs on nothing more than a TRT dose of test.

    This is a long term sport. If you eat right and keep increasing your calories as your size progresses, and you train right, it is possible to retain ALOT of your gains.

    If, like Andrea (and many others), you only bother training hard and dieting ok while you are taking AAS then you will lose everything because you give it much less effort when you come off. But you almost need to give it more effort when you are training without AAS.

    But yes, you shouldn't start taking gear until you reach your natural genetic limit.
    yes I see what you are saying, just that I just do not beilve that anymore. I just do not think it is true at all and yes I have been around many bodybuilders and heard all the arguments.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesz123 View Post
    yes I see what you are saying, just that I just do not beilve that anymore. I just do not think it is true at all and yes I have been around many bodybuilders and heard all the arguments.
    Ok. Fair enough. I was going to post something else but after reading this I see that you are not asking anything... Simply stating your already developed and closed to new ideas opinion. I disagree, based on my 24 year history of on and off aas use and the fact that I have successfully added and kept over 70lbs of lbm in that time. Nuff said I guess. I agree with BiB and anyone else who says diet is key to keeping gains.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Java Man View Post
    Ok. Fair enough. I was going to post something else but after reading this I see that you are not asking anything... Simply stating your already developed and closed to new ideas opinion. I disagree, based on my 24 year history of on and off aas use and the fact that I have successfully added and kept over 70lbs of lbm in that time. Nuff said I guess. I agree with BiB and anyone else who says diet is key to keeping gains.
    i might have come across that way in that post. Let me repharse the question. I am looking for practical experience regarding this not theory.
    So you saying after all these years you added all that , so how many cycle do you take per year if you do not mind and which part of diet is the key , the macros ?
    Thx

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesz123

    i might have come across that way in that post. Let me repharse the question. I am looking for practical experience regarding this not theory.
    So you saying after all these years you added all that , so how many cycle do you take per year if you do not mind and which part of diet is the key , the macros ?
    Thx
    That's me in my pic taken a few weeks back
    I've not cycled for nearly 2 years if not over 2 years now.
    I weigh 254lbs yeah I'm carrying some fat but there's some muscle there too

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    Quote Originally Posted by panntastic View Post
    That's me in my pic taken a few weeks back
    I've not cycled for nearly 2 years if not over 2 years now.
    I weigh 254lbs yeah I'm carrying some fat but there's some muscle there too
    yes you do look impressive and I do not want to start annoying anyone now but what makes you think you would not look like that even without any cycle, just hard training. You seem to have the body of a natural 'great body' person. Are you telling me that after you used a cycle you kept all your gains (or most) after 2 years off cycle ?
    Also taking juice at say 20 and than staying off till say 25 does not really count since your body is growing/maturing anyway...

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesz123

    yes you do look impressive and I do not want to start annoying anyone now but what makes you think you would not look like that even without any cycle, just hard training. You seem to have the body of a natural 'great body' person. Are you telling me that after you used a cycle you kept all your gains (or most) after 2 years off cycle ?
    Also taking juice at say 20 and than staying off till say 25 does not really count since your body is growing/maturing anyway...
    Yeah I'm sure anyone at 5'11" like me with great diet and training could get to 250+lbs natty without a doubt but that's not your original question
    I kept around 85% of my gains after pct because my hard work never stopped like some people.
    I know many people who whilst cycle eat well and train hard then stop till next cycle.
    That's not how it's done and that's why some people loose nearly all their gains

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    Quote Originally Posted by panntastic View Post
    Yeah I'm sure anyone at 5'11" like me with great diet and training could get to 250+lbs natty without a doubt but
    I would definitely like to see that at 15% BF or less no AAS ever. That would be a very lucky MF hahaha.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jamesz123 View Post
    i might have come across that way in that post. Let me repharse the question. I am looking for practical experience regarding this not theory.
    So you saying after all these years you added all that , so how many cycle do you take per year if you do not mind and which part of diet is the key , the macros ?
    Thx
    I don't make a big deal of counting calories or micro-managing my food. I'm too busy. I keep a protein/carb/fat ratio around 40/45/15 mostly but THE most important thing IMO for naturally thin people like myself is eat so often that you feel like puking all the time. If I ever feel hungry then I know I am not eating enough. That sounds unpleasant but after doing that for years you get used to it - like brushing your teeth or taking a shower every morning. It just becomes automatic, something that you do subconsciously.

    When I started doing this, my weight started to increase. I follow every normal meal with 2 or 3 HB eggs and a protein shake mixed with milk, not water. I also swallow a few eggs randomly throughout the day. I'll munch on uncooked spaghetti noodles. I'm getting 4500 to 5500 cal per day. That's what I need to maintain 220lbs with my fast metabolism. It is expensive and it takes a lot of self control to get to that point but it works. Also, I do not eat fast food. garbage in, garbage out. Quality in, quality out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Java Man View Post
    I don't make a big deal of counting calories or micro-managing my food. I'm too busy. I keep a protein/carb/fat ratio around 40/45/15 mostly but THE most important thing IMO for naturally thin people like myself is eat so often that you feel like puking all the time. If I ever feel hungry then I know I am not eating enough. That sounds unpleasant but after doing that for years you get used to it - like brushing your teeth or taking a shower every morning. It just becomes automatic, something that you do subconsciously.

    When I started doing this, my weight started to increase. I follow every normal meal with 2 or 3 HB eggs and a protein shake mixed with milk, not water. I also swallow a few eggs randomly throughout the day. I'll munch on uncooked spaghetti noodles. I'm getting 4500 to 5500 cal per day. That's what I need to maintain 220lbs with my fast metabolism. It is expensive and it takes a lot of self control to get to that point but it works. Also, I do not eat fast food. garbage in, garbage out. Quality in, quality out.
    very interesting - That is a lot of money and time spend, what is the logic behind the raw spaghetti ?
    Also what is your fat % ?

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