Gains forever or cycle forever ?

[big_ron]

You will lose everything if your diet is poor or you are so far beyond your own genetic limit that it is difficult, but not impossible, to keep all your gains. There are guys on this site under 6 foot who,relatively easily, maintain almost 250lbs on nothing more than a TRT dose of test.

This is a long term sport. If you eat right and keep increasing your calories as your size progresses, and you train right, it is possible to retain ALOT of your gains.

If, like Andrea (and many others), you only bother training hard and dieting ok while you are taking AAS then you will lose everything because you give it much less effort when you come off. But you almost need to give it more effort when you are training without AAS.

But yes, you shouldn't start taking gear until you reach your natural genetic limit.

What Bullshit. If you are at the top of your NATURAL POTENTIAL. And go above this using gear. How do you expect to keep it NATURALLY? The answer is in the question really.

250lbs means nothing. They would be a fat 250lbs naturally. Remembering Phil heath competes at 240lbs and on tons of gear and the best in the world currently.

The OP is correct. You will lose all gains after a cycle within a year. And if you dont.. you where never at your NATURAL POTENTIAL...

[analovz]

What Bullshit. If you are at the top of your NATURAL POTENTIAL. And go above this using gear. How do you expect to keep it NATURALLY? The answer is in the question really.

250lbs means nothing. They would be a fat 250lbs naturally. Remembering Phil heath competes at 240lbs and on tons of gear and the best in the world currently.

The OP is correct. You will lose all gains after a cycle within a year. And if you dont.. you where never at your NATURAL POTENTIAL...

Totally agree here. Its just pure logic and common sense. You cannot keep a single pound of muscle past of you natural limit with natural hormone(testosterone) that your body produces. Its the nature period!

I think most of these guys that say opposite are either way behind their natural limit or on trt trying to justify it to make themselves feel good for being on trt.

[Lunk1]

What Bullshit. If you are at the top of your NATURAL POTENTIAL. And go above this using gear. How do you expect to keep it NATURALLY? The answer is in the question really.

250lbs means nothing. They would be a fat 250lbs naturally. Remembering Phil heath competes at 240lbs and on tons of gear and the best in the world currently.

The OP is correct. You will lose all gains after a cycle within a year. And if you dont.. you where never at your NATURAL POTENTIAL...

I don't believe the OP ever stated anything about being near or at "natural genetic limits". I agree that if you are a BB that the closer you get to your genetic potential the harder it is to put on muscle and if you use AAS to go above that level then yes.

If your the average gym rat wanna be that 98% of us on here are then no..continued gear use is not necessary to save gains.

[< <Samson> >]

If your the average gym rat wanna be that 98% of us on here are then no..continued gear use is not necessary to save gains.

Very well said, sums it all up

[jamesz123]

Very well said, sums it all up

Hard to tell where your genetic potential is really.....platues are one thing (that make you think you are at your limit) but than I have seen people break through them (so than they realize that was not their max potential...oh ok so what was the max potential. See what I mean ).
This - 'natural potential' term is thrown around much too liberally in my opinion.

let me put this yet another way ...
If you were a natural 150 pounder and gained ONLY 5 pounds naturally and than used steriods and gained 15 pounds more....you will loose the 15 pounds even though it might seem that you are no where near your natural max potential.
If you had added 30 pounds NATURALLY and than used juice and added 15 pounds you will still loose those 15 pounds that you gained on steroids.
That has been my experience and observation. We all know people BS about not using a bridge to maintain...
NOW many do not realize that they keep working hard and eating etc ....way after and before they use steroids and hence are still gaining muscle naturally slowly but surely and they might mistake that for KEEPING STEROID GAINS.....
Others do steroids when they are too young and the body is still maturing...like from 20 to 28 your body will change regardless....add natural diet and gym and you will look better and better. They might mistake that for keeping steroid gains.
Others were naturally too skinny and added weight, muscle but also some fat (since they too skinny they will still not look fat) because they eat a lot .......and might mistake that for keeping steroid gains.

My point - what ever - however - whenever ..you make steroids induced gains YOU WILL LOOSE ALL OF THEM.
Theory one side and practice another side.
PCT in my opinion just prevents a crash ....that is very different.
I have a very different opinion about steroids use for the past couple of years and my life is much better now LOL

Going on a cycle or two per year and devoting too much resources will get you distracted from improving your life in other areas....like making money, family, girls etc etc ....lol. Steroid gains are really NO gains it seems to me unless you use them almost too frequently and that is money and time not wisely spend unless you compete, Also risking your health in certain ways....

Just a thought. Anyway live your life to the fullest cause life is too short.....peace and thanks everyone.