Need preworkout suggestion

[kbunyan]

I normally take a tab of caffeine and a capsule of ECGC, but usually crash after hour and a half max. Keep adding or upping the dose or anything better out there ?



Thanks in advance

[GearHeaded]

I've been using 20mg of Dbol pre workout for years . its way cheaper then any over the counter supplement, has no stim crash, and gives both physical and mental benefits (clarity and focus)

[HoldMyBeer]

I've been using 20mg of Dbol pre workout for years . its way cheaper then any over the counter supplement, has no stim crash, and gives both physical and mental benefits (clarity and focus)

No problems w taking orals that often? I usually get pretty damn lethargic after week 4ish

OP, ephedrine works well for me. But I don't usually crash off a 200mg caffeine capsule myself

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[Thebricklayer]

100mg of Tren Base. :-)

[GearHeaded]

No problems w taking orals that often? I usually get pretty damn lethargic after week 4ish

no. especially at that low of a dose and pre workout only. 20mg of Dbol is maybe equal to a beer in regards to liver stress.. guarantee you going to the local GNC and picking up the latest tub of preworkout powder thats got 20 different ingredients and is packed full of chemicals and artificial bullshit is WAY more stressful on your liver then a couple of little dbol pills

[tarmyg]

I've been using 20mg of Dbol pre workout for years . its way cheaper then any over the counter supplement, has no stim crash, and gives both physical and mental benefits (clarity and focus)

Interesting. Might try this but at 10mg as I'm super sensitive to orals.

Do you need a build up time with dbol or does it work like, i.e., caffeine?

[GearHeaded]

Interesting. Might try this but at 10mg as I'm super sensitive to orals.

Do you need a build up time with dbol or does it work like, i.e., caffeine?

no you don't need consistent blood levels of the drug at all , especially with Dbol. the mental effects can be felt with the first dose. back in the 50s or 60s Dbol was given to treat depression.
feeling stressed out and on edge.. pop a Dbol. it will help with your overall mood. and the physiological effects (nutrient partitioning and ability to help shuttle glycogen, nutrients, water, etc. into muscle cells) is obviously a big benefit pre workout as well.

now one thing that you will notice is that the longer your taking it your pumps will get more and more pronounced. this is NOT necessarily from build up of the drug in your system, this is from the steady increase in estrogen that you may get (dose dependent and depending on how often you use it). this is a good thing. don't go ruining it by taking a bunch of AI just cause your running a little Dbol pre-workout

[tarmyg]

no you don't need consistent blood levels of the drug at all , especially with Dbol. the mental effects can be felt with the first dose. back in the 50s or 60s Dbol was given to treat depression.
feeling stressed out and on edge.. pop a Dbol. it will help with your overall mood. and the physiological effects (nutrient partitioning and ability to help shuttle glycogen, nutrients, water, etc. into muscle cells) is obviously a big benefit pre workout as well.

now one thing that you will notice is that the longer your taking it your pumps will get more and more pronounced. this is NOT necessarily from build up of the drug in your system, this is from the steady increase in estrogen that you may get (dose dependent and depending on how often you use it). this is a good thing. don't go ruining it by taking a bunch of AI just cause your running a little Dbol pre-workout

Thanks GH. Appreciate the detailed answer.

[Couchlockd]

no you don't need consistent blood levels of the drug at all , especially with Dbol. the mental effects can be felt with the first dose. back in the 50s or 60s Dbol was given to treat depression.
feeling stressed out and on edge.. pop a Dbol. it will help with your overall mood. and the physiological effects (nutrient partitioning and ability to help shuttle glycogen, nutrients, water, etc. into muscle cells) is obviously a big benefit pre workout as well.

now one thing that you will notice is that the longer your taking it your pumps will get more and more pronounced. this is NOT necessarily from build up of the drug in your system, this is from the steady increase in estrogen that you may get (dose dependent and depending on how often you use it). this is a good thing. don't go ruining it by taking a bunch of AI just cause your running a little Dbol pre-workout

Any issues taking dbol pre-workout in the midst of 50mg var ED?

[GearHeaded]

Any issues taking dbol pre-workout in the midst of 50mg var ED?

no. in fact you'll get some good synergy there. as VAR is going to help upregulate CP (creatine phosphate) resulting in more ATP production (fueld by glucose primarily) and provide more energy output and muscular contractions,, and on the other side of the coin the Dbol is going to help with glucose metabolism and inter cellular nutrient and water retention. combined your looking at more energy, better contractions, better pump, and better nutrient absorption and recovery in the muscle.

lots of goys mistakingly don't thing a 'dry' compound like var goes together well with a 'wet' compound like Dbol . but when you look at their mehancims of action specifically, you'll see how well they complement each other

[Meow_Wolf]

Any issues taking dbol pre-workout in the midst of 50mg var ED?

That profile Pic tho...

[2jz_calgary]

I've been using 20mg of Dbol pre workout for years . its way cheaper then any over the counter supplement, has no stim crash, and gives both physical and mental benefits (clarity and focus)

Do you use this intermittently or on a regular basis?

[i_SLAM_cougars]

Do you use this intermittently or on a regular basis?

I believe he was doing this regularly.

I’ll pop a 25mg dbol dab 3 days a week for heavy Legs, back, chest, or just when I need a general boost.

[redz]

I’m currently taking my dbol dose (75mg) pre work out with 600mg of caffein. This isn’t permanent just for 5 weeks roughly.

[Windex]

I normally take a tab of caffeine and a capsule of ECGC, but usually crash after hour and a half max. Keep adding or upping the dose or anything better out there ?



Thanks in advance

Chronic caffeine and other stimulant use is just going to lead to cortisol+adrenal issues which is turn is going to lower testosterone and hinder gym progression. Experiment and find a solution to strengthen your focus/mind that is not reliant on stimulants before you burn out with no motivation to even show up to the gym, left alone lift.

[kbunyan]

Chronic caffeine and other stimulant use is just going to lead to cortisol+adrenal issues which is turn is going to lower testosterone and hinder gym progression. Experiment and find a solution to strengthen your focus/mind that is not reliant on stimulants before you burn out with no motivation to even show up to the gym, left alone lift.

I can't grasp it ? How can I change that I am physically worn out and can't continue ?

[Windex]

I can't grasp it ? How can I change that I am physically worn out and can't continue ?

It's a physiological response from your body. You need to determine the root cause - could be vitamin / mineral deficiency, overuse of caffeine affecting hormone levels, psychological addiction, the list goes on.

Your mind is tired not your body - don't confuse the two. The mind always breaks before the body. If you want to strengthen your physical body you need to start with your mind. Until you understand that then you won't move forward.

Look for resolutions not excuses.

[Family_guy]

It's a physiological response from your body. You need to determine the root cause - could be vitamin / mineral deficiency, overuse of caffeine affecting hormone levels, psychological addiction, the list goes on.

Your mind is tired not your body - don't confuse the two. The mind always breaks before the body. If you want to strengthen your physical body you need to start with your mind. Until you understand that then you won't move forward.

Look for resolutions not excuses.

Thank you zen master. I feel wiser already

[Windex]

Thank you zen master. I feel wiser already

Pretty ignorant and arrogant comment. Must be why you could only get to 152 lbs before having to cycle.

[Mooseman33]

gear headed you are so fucking smart.

So great to learn new shit after all the years. Keep it coming

[Obs]

I would try some natural herbal essence shit with essential oils and some root of vagina...

Tren base
Test base
Ephedrine and redbull
Dbol

Or do all four of the above.

Point is if you aren't feeling up to whipping ass when you walk in you will be wasting you time. If that means stims then I guess stims it is.

Or...
You can try some hippy ass approach. Try the miracle spring water.
My way works better though. There is no balance of minerals or explanation for feeling like animated steel with the desire to tear shit apart. Sounds like something a naturepathic doctor would say.

"Eat this licorice root... You'll be fuggin stuff up in no time!"

No... No. Hell no.

You crush up those little white pills and snort them! You snort those pills and shoot those bases and jam a dbol up yer ass! Run into the gym killin snakes! Go get them snakes! You gotta lift them to kill them!

FUCK YES

If you find yourself feeling like making excuses add more chemicals until that feeling goes away.

[Old Duffer]

I'll say it again: Better living thru chemistry!

[Family_guy]

I normally take a tab of caffeine and a capsule of ECGC, but usually crash after hour and a half max. Keep adding or upping the dose or anything better out there ?



Thanks in advance

Op go to Walmart by a preworkout powder. I can’t remeber the name...it’s in a silver/chrome bottle and the flavor is blue razz ice or something. Tastes like a bomb pop. It’s like 20$. No crash to speak of and the citrulline and AKG give you a great pump plus you me face gets all tingly if you take enough

[Windex]

Op go to Walmart by a preworkout powder. I can’t remeber the name...it’s in a silver/chrome bottle and the flavor is blue razz ice or something. Tastes like a bomb pop. It’s like 20$. No crash to speak of and the citrulline and AKG give you a great pump plus you me face gets all tingly if you take enough

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2257922/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2249754/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4756272/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4263906/


If you are going to give ignorant advice, keep it to the lounge.

[Obs]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2257922/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2249754/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4756272/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4263906/


If you are going to give ignorant advice, keep it to the lounge.

Op asked for preworkouts and you come in here with your retarded non working mineral balance solution and get up in people asses for not agreeing about preworkouts being less than stellar for health?

You cut on someone who is three times the man you will ever be. He raises a family, informs his wife of everything, (she is hot btw) he deals with his fathers lung cancer, goes to work every day, and still finds time to do all this and do a great job of it.

You can go fuck yourself eurotrash

[Family_guy]

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2257922/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2249754/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4756272/

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4263906/


If you are going to give ignorant advice, keep it to the lounge.

I’m sorry I don’t understand what’s ignorant about my comment. I don’t feel like reading you pub med studies that probably say “preworkout powder is bad for you!” I could find 5 saying the opposite I’m sure. Nvm the fact that like 90% of the guys on this forum use some form of preworkout I’m sure.

Care to elaborate for a simpleton like me who doesn’t want to read your studies on why my comment was ignorant? Don’t forget OP asked for advice on his preworkout.

[Windex]

I’m sorry I don’t understand what’s ignorant about my comment. I don’t feel like reading you pub med studies that probably say “preworkout powder is bad for you!” I could find 5 saying the opposite I’m sure. Nvm the fact that like 90% of the guys on this forum use some form of preworkout I’m sure.

Care to elaborate for a simpleton like me who doesn’t want to read your studies on why my comment was ignorant? Don’t forget OP asked for advice on his preworkout.

The studies have nothing to do with preworkouts and are based off chronically elevated cortisol.

The OP's question is the equivalent of asking "1000mg of Test isn't doing anything, should I go up to 2000mg or Test or add in other steroids". The fact that there's a crash in 60 minutes on ECEG+caffeine is indicative of a cortisol problem. That's why your recommendation of a preworkout is stupid, which is also why I originally posted a non stimulant alternative. There are tons of tools outside of stimulant based drugs that can be used.

I have never once talked up my physique either. You say I have great advice yet make ignorant comments and have quoted my posts in the past telling people not to listen.

Stop derailing people's threads asking for a picture.Alternatively, you can continue being the comedian in your banana group and see where it gets you.

[Family_guy]

The studies have nothing to do with preworkouts and are based off chronically elevated cortisol.

The OP's question is the equivalent of asking "1000mg of Test isn't doing anything, should I go up to 2000mg or Test or add in other steroids". The fact that there's a crash in 60 minutes on ECEG+caffeine is indicative of a cortisol problem. That's why your recommendation of a preworkout is stupid, which is also why I originally posted a non stimulant alternative. There are tons of tools outside of stimulant based drugs that can be used.

I have never once talked up my physique either. You say I have great advice yet make ignorant comments and have quoted my posts in the past telling people not to listen.

Stop derailing people's threads asking for a picture.Alternatively, you can continue being the comedian in your banana group and see where it gets you.

Who are you? Asshop? Or windex? Lmao I got confused for a minute there!

See where it gets me? What does that even mean?

The thing I just can’t stand about you is how negative your posts always are. I’m not sure that you even see it or notice it at all but everyone else sees it man. It’s bad and it does bring people down. I’ve seen it before. There’s no one right answer for everything yet you always seem to have the one right answer and everyone else is stupid? Well that’s bullshit come on now. Lighten up dude! Smile maybe get laid and you will feel better!

[Couchlockd]

I prefer da poor man's "Farley" pre-workout.

4 bronkaid and 4 vikes.

[charger69]

Windex- I cant figure this one out. My brain started hurting so I’ll return to arguing with myself...... I’m trying to stop the tren from speaking. LOL


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[balance]

I normally take a tab of caffeine and a capsule of ECGC, but usually crash after hour and a half max. Keep adding or upping the dose or anything better out there ?



Thanks in advance

Stim wise whatever you decide to use to get amped up I wouldn’t expect it to last beyond the 1.5 hourly mark without taking more of it. Are you lifting for more than 1.5 hours? When my intensity is where it should be I’m good for 1 hour max, after that it’s like your just spinning your wheels.

Also coffee is my go to stim but suddenly I’m mad I didn’t get dbol on last order.

ps
Anytime I watch fighting and someone intentionally deals a low blow I can’t help but think how effective it would be if the opponent could square up and kick the offender in the nuts.

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[Obs]

He changed his avatar to try an piss me off with the ashop thing.

I dont plan on retaliating.

I am going to be the bigger man...



Someday.


Mufukah wan fuk on meee!?

Meeee mufukah fuk on eeeeyyyyyooooouuuu!

[ghettoboyd]

and to the OP, sorry your thread got derailed...are you still with us or did we scare you away?...

[kbunyan]

and to the OP, sorry your thread got derailed...are you still with us or did we scare you away?...

Nah i enjoy the drama lol. Been following.

PS constructive criticism is good. But if someone misses the constructive part it's not good. I am new here so what do I know

[ghettoboyd]

Nah i enjoy the drama lol. Been following.

PS constructive criticism is good. But if someone misses the constructive part it's not good. I am new here so what do I know

Cool brother everyone here are actually good people, we just but heads sometimes...

[Thebricklayer]

Cool brother everyone here are actually good people, we just but heads sometimes...

Everbody here running around with tren and superphysiological* levels of test in their blood stream, high E2, low E2, etc., cant see how anyone could get crosswise. :-)

(* Credit goes to GH for this terminology)

[Obs]

Cool brother everyone here are actually good people, we just but heads sometimes...

Pretty much everyone.
Septin windex.
Good people dont post thousands of posts and never so much as say, "Lookin good man" or "Atta boy" etc.

We may have different definitions of good people though.

[charger69]

Cool brother everyone here are actually good people, we just but heads sometimes...

Sticks and stones may break my bones, but names will never hurt me. LOL


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[ghettoboyd]

this whole thing is so retarded guys and goes against everything that the board was working toward as far as the culture here is concerned...obs it was you the members all gave the credit too and here we are dragging on another thread where you find a common "enemy" and your friends all jump in with no real skin in the game...this is about obs, windex and family guy...lets let this thread die and move on to more productive conversations wile the powers that be look into any complaints ok? please...

[Obs]

this whole thing is so retarded guys and goes against everything that the board was working toward as far as the culture here is concerned...obs it was you the members all gave the credit too and here we are dragging on another thread where you find a common "enemy" and your friends all jump in with no real skin in the game...this is about obs, windex and family guy...lets let this thread die and move on to more productive conversations wile the powers that be look into any complaints ok? please...

Windex or any guy with thousands of posts that has never said a kind word to anyone should find the door in my opinion.
100% negativity that we have fought hard.

You are right its between him and family guy actually but I am not the only guy sick of his pure negative demeanor.

My friends are pretty much any supportive person on the board btw including you.

This site is great for informationbut even more than that the brotherhood. When an iron brother is having a rough go being able to be thete for them when a family member is dying, deathly sick like FG's father, getting a divorce, or even just burnt put and depressed is better than all scientific fact on earth.

We are bodybuildets and bleed thick blood togeether. People who push like we do are gonna need real support at some point.

I am done now but come on windex... Remove the stickfrom your ass.