
Originally Posted by
Windex
The studies have nothing to do with preworkouts and are based off chronically elevated cortisol.
The OP's question is the equivalent of asking "1000mg of Test isn't doing anything, should I go up to 2000mg or Test or add in other steroids". The fact that there's a crash in 60 minutes on ECEG+caffeine is indicative of a cortisol problem. That's why your recommendation of a preworkout is stupid, which is also why I originally posted a non stimulant alternative. There are tons of tools outside of stimulant based drugs that can be used.
I have never once talked up my physique either. You say I have great advice yet make ignorant comments and have quoted my posts in the past telling people not to listen.
Stop derailing people's threads asking for a picture.Alternatively, you can continue being the comedian in your banana group and see where it gets you.