3rd cycle feedback

[jackfrost88]

300 test and 600 Primo for a cut .. love it, thats a good ratio (I'd be adding some synergy compounds though).

my main question though would be , we are going into winter now, your only 210 pounds at your height . why are you doing a 12 week cut ? seems a bit of a waste of time and 2 steps backwards for whats probably your over all goal . why not mini cut for 4 weeks, then go right back to building quality muscle tissue

I am still bulking for 2-3 more months. Should be around 215 by the end and will cut to see how I look since I am not super low body fat . 215 for me is not small lol

[GearHeaded]

I am still bulking for 2-3 more months. Should be around 215 by the end and will cut to see how I look since I am not super low body fat . 215 for me is not small lol

well to put it in perspective , in classic physique for someone 5'11'' tall, the weight cap is 215 pounds (at about 5% body fat).. if you were to get down to stage ready lean your weight would likely be about 180 pounds (loss of 10% body fat = 20 pounds, and add a loss of 10 pounds of water weight) . so your about 35 pounds under weight and under sized compared to a classic physique competitor.

I'm not assuming you want to look anything like a classic physique competitor, I'm just making a point about where you'd likely be at if you got really lean. you'd be pretty thin for 5'11'' . spending 3-4 months losing weight early on in ones bodybuilding career just doesn't make a whole lot of sense to me (its time you could be growing and adding muscle). utilizing only your 3rd cycle just to lose body fat does not make a lot of sense to me either, when your receptors are likely fresh and responsive and could be gaining muscle instead.

again, your abut 35 pounds down in size compared to a classic physique competitor . you have a whole LOT of growing to do in order to achieve that type of look. personally I'd be spending the next 3 years and the next 5-8 cycles focused just on building muscle. nothing wrong with using short mini cuts on occasion of like 4 weeks just to stay somewhat lean and improve insulin sensitivity.. but spending a whole 12 weeks and your whole 3rd cycle losing weight just seems like a long time and counter productive . 12 weeks is basically the time line of a contest prep. would make sense if perhaps you had a solid reason to do that, like perhaps you were going to get on stage and compete as a thin mens physique competitor (even then you may be a bit under sized).

BUT I'm just assuming. I don't know what your long term goals are.. but I generally always recommend guys that are new to the scene and new to running gear to utilize their first few years of running gear to focus on trying to add as much muscle as possible and not bother with cutting, especially if your already in a generally healthy range of body fat to begin with.

[jackfrost88]

Don't have any aspirations to compete at the moment as I am not far enough along to consider it yet IMO. 180 sounds like it would be damn near impossible for me to make but I haven't tried a super cut and pulling water etc. Classic guys at my height cut from 250 then? Wouldn't they just be bodybuilders basically at that size?

Good advice though - I'm making good progress so no reason to begin cutting and hindering gains. May adjust cycle for a lean bulking phase then.

[GearHeaded]

Don't have any aspirations to compete at the moment as I am not far enough along to consider it yet IMO. 180 sounds like it would be damn near impossible for me to make but I haven't tried a super cut and pulling water etc. Classic guys at my height cut from 250 then? Wouldn't they just be bodybuilders basically at that size?

Good advice though - I'm making good progress so no reason to begin cutting and hindering gains. May adjust cycle for a lean bulking phase then.

well that 180 number is basically just based on math, so its pretty accurate. your 210 pounds now, 10% of that is 21 pounds.. so if you went down from 15% body fat to 5% you'd loose about 21 pounds to achieve that levels of leaness . but, don't forget that in order to lose that much body fat your going to have to be in a pretty big calorie deficit and likely low carbs and high amounts of cardio ,, and so thats naturally going to result in a big drop in water retention . I generally see guys drop on average about 10 pounds of just water weight when dieting down to extreme leaness , and thats not trying to get 'dry' or cutting water or salt or anything trying to make weight , thats just a natural water weight loss that happens when dieting down to extreme leaness.

so the math puts you at about 30 pounds of weight loss in order to get contest lean. 210 minus 30 is 180 pounds. so based on the math I don't think its impossible at all, actually think its highly likely . IF you were to get contest lean (ie, 5% body fat)..

but I doubt your wanting to get contest lean. I was just using that as an example. basically a comparison to where your level of muscularity is at compared to a classic physique competitor..
I've done similar comparisons with myself . at 5'9" tall and 212 pounds and maybe 13% body fat,, if I were to cut down to contest shape, I'd be too small imo. I still need to keep adding more size.


Classic pros like Arash Rhabar that competes at 5'11'' tall and 215 pounds hovers around 250 in the off season (still lean). he looks like a open bodybuilder training in the gym with a hoodie on . he's got 21" arms..
obtaining a physique like his, even though he competes in the classic division (which is a smaller guys division), requires a ton of muscle to be put on.. If I remember correctly, I think Arash has stated that he spent 12 years bulking. he didn't cut until he prepped for his first contest


also of note, the more muscle you put on now, the easier it will be to get leaner later on.

[djnuffsaid]

Good advice though - I'm making good progress so no reason to begin cutting and hindering gains. May adjust cycle for a lean bulking phase then.

Again I am not sure 100% what your goals are because I don't think they were clearly lined out. In first post you said your getting into bodybuilding, then later on you said you have no interest in competing so I am confused. Personally, I still think the tale end of your comment above is wrong. When you "cut", you are above the final weight that you would like to "cut" to. At your height and weight, you still have LOTS of muscle to put on. I wouldn't worry about a lean bulking phase - go full on bulk. Yeah your gonna be huge, but when you get off cycle and start to lean out you'll drop some of that weight and water retention and be looking great. That's my opinion. I am 6'2'' and started cycling @ 190lbs. I didn't even think of doing a cut until years later (actually this year, this current cycle) when I was 255 - and that's to get my physique to looking like a buff model - not anywhere close to competing.

[jackfrost88]

Again I am not sure 100% what your goals are because I don't think they were clearly lined out. In first post you said your getting into bodybuilding, then later on you said you have no interest in competing so I am confused. Personally, I still think the tale end of your comment above is wrong. When you "cut", you are above the final weight that you would like to "cut" to. At your height and weight, you still have LOTS of muscle to put on. I wouldn't worry about a lean bulking phase - go full on bulk. Yeah your gonna be huge, but when you get off cycle and start to lean out you'll drop some of that weight and water retention and be looking great. That's my opinion. I am 6'2'' and started cycling @ 190lbs. I didn't even think of doing a cut until years later (actually this year, this current cycle) when I was 255 - and that's to get my physique to looking like a buff model - not anywhere close to competing.

When I say a cut I'm not referring to a competition cut just a calorie deficit to lose fat. Currently lean bulking and 0.5lb to 1lb of good weight each week would there be any merit to just going for a full on dirty bulk? Like I am putting on a lot of size currently and adjusting food up every 3 weeks or so. On track for 25lbs of good mass for the year (drug free). On drugs and a dirty bulk it would be even more, not sure if i want to blow up like 50lbs in a year.