3rd cycle feedback

[jackfrost88]

Curious as to how you calculated your caloric needs. I'm at 252 lbs and 5k calories.

Not many people use Primo because people think it's snake oil (forever faked - though not actually the case) and have a poor understanding of the compound and it's role. I bet there's tons of people who got real primo and accused it of being fake because they didn't take 5-10 minutes to understand the history and basic science behind it.

With that being said there's only 2-3 labs in Canada I'd ever buy Primo from.

Deca is cute and all but if you're a person who cycles+PCT I personally would advise against Nandrolone.

Working with a coach and what we did was start out at ~3500 calories and just monitored my weight / progress and over time have been adding more and more calories. For example, I'm eating 3 cups of rice as a carb for 4/6 meals on high carb day but started out with 2. I was losing weight up until we added calories up to around 4500cals. So basically that's the number I have arrived on working up the amount I've been eating over 7months or so.

e.g. of high carb day.
meal 1 :1/2 litre egg whites, 1 1/2 cup oats, flax oil
meal 2: 6oz chicken 3 cups rice 1 cup green veggies

intra-workout: bcaa / fast acting carb / glutamine (total ~250cal)
post workout: fast acting carb drink (~300-400cal)

meal 3: same as 2
meal 4: same as 2
meal 5: same as 2 + 2 tsp beanut butter
meal 6: 500ml egg whites 1/2 cup oats, 2 tsp peanut butter

Comes out to close to 6k cal then the amount of rice or carb gets dropped on lower days.

[Windex]

Working with a coach and what we did was start out at ~3500 calories and just monitored my weight / progress and over time have been adding more and more calories. For example, I'm eating 3 cups of rice as a carb for 4/6 meals on high carb day but started out with 2. I was losing weight up until we added calories up to around 4500cals. So basically that's the number I have arrived on working up the amount I've been eating over 7months or so.

e.g. of high carb day.
meal 1 :1/2 litre egg whites, 1 1/2 cup oats, flax oil
meal 2: 6oz chicken 3 cups rice 1 cup green veggies

intra-workout: bcaa / fast acting carb / glutamine (total ~250cal)
post workout: fast acting carb drink (~300-400cal)

meal 3: same as 2
meal 4: same as 2
meal 5: same as 2 + 2 tsp beanut butter
meal 6: 500ml egg whites 1/2 cup oats, 2 tsp peanut butter

Comes out to close to 6k cal then the amount of rice or carb gets dropped on lower days.

As GH said, the diet is backwards. It's a cookie cutter macro only focused, with no consideration for micro nutrients.

Egg Whites + Peanut butter instead of say red meat, is like buying a Ferrari, and then replacing the tires with ones from Walmart.

If that was my coach I'd fire him and ask for a refund.

[djnuffsaid]

If that was my coach I'd fire him and ask for a refund.

I agree with both Windex and GH. I have no idea how your getting to 6000cals a day with just chicken, egg whites and rice. It appears that diet is something you would find as a diet "guide", that is meant to be tweaked to your body and situation but has yet to be tweaked.

I know you said - "I'm happy to discuss my training/diet and bulking / cutting phases but that wasn't really the point of my thread" - that discussing your diet wasn't the point of your thread but, correct me if I'm wrong, your trying very hard to reach a goal you have set for yourself. Gear alone is not going to achieve that goal for you, diet is the most important part of the equation. If I were in your shoes I would be jumping for joy that some of the more knowledgeable members here are willing to help you with your diet to achieve your goal. Remember, just because your trainer/coach said something doesn't make it necessarily right. I would gather information from multiple sources and then make up your mind from there. I remember a couple threads ago we were talking about training and several members said their first coach trained them to go to failure on every set and they trained that way for years and years until reading and learning for themselves and coming on to boards like these. When they switched their training around they made tremendous gains. Just some, excuse the pun, food for thought!