The mainstream media did this to America

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There is a LOT of studies out there confirming impairments with alcohol usage at .08 and lower. At I’ve seen more than my share and have used them in my classroom as well.

I respect what you are saying/asking regarding data though, but truly don’t want to dominate my time over finding information that I’ve seen so repeatedly in my adult life.

Regarding the scale handed out by the DMV, was that imo, still being able to consume 4 drinks in an hour and drive legally, seems more than fair to me.

state laws vary .. but in my state if you had a couple drinks and were not technically drunk or going to blow over the limit , but you got in a wreck and hurt someone or destroyed property .. your going to jail . no matter if you have one drink and barely blow a reading at all (in my state they make you blow and take your blood).
whereas if you got in that same wreck and hit a fire hydrant lets say but you had zero alcohol in your system, you'd likely just get a fine for the fire hydrant . but with one drink in you now your going to jail and getting a possible felony.

me personally , I will never have a single drink at a restaurant. cause I know the scam exists. they make these laws to criminalize normal parts of society (like have a beer after work during happy hour).
they promote all these beer commercials during football games , tail gating parties, happy hour etc.. and promote going out and drinking, and then on the other hand your going to be criminalized and end up paying out thousands to the govt system and becoming its slave.

4 drinks and driving home is not fair at all .. your tire blows out and you end up hitting a public stop sign, your going to jail simply cause you had some alcohol in your system.
the have all sorts of loopholes to get you a DUI and get you into the system and take your money and enslave you.
having even 2 drinks and getting behind the wheel is a horrible idea with the laws they have on the books now.

in my state there are 58,000 DUIs given out per year. not because tons of people are out their driving drunk, but simply because its the job of the state patrol to set you up and get you processed.
that many DUIs generate about 700 million dollars in revenue.. they will go out of their way to get you a DUI cause the system wants your money

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state laws vary .. but in my state if you had a couple drinks and were not technically drunk or going to blow over the limit , but you got in a wreck and hurt someone or destroyed property .. your going to jail . no matter if you have one drink and barely blow a reading at all (in my state they make you blow and take your blood).
whereas if you got in that same wreck and hit a fire hydrant lets say but you had zero alcohol in your system, you'd likely just get a fine for the fire hydrant . but with one drink in you now your going to jail and getting a possible felony.

me personally , I will never have a single drink at a restaurant. cause I know the scam exists. they make these laws to criminalize normal parts of society (like have a beer after work during happy hour).
they promote all these beer commercials during football games , tail gating parties, happy hour etc.. and promote going out and drinking, and then on the other hand your going to be criminalized and end up paying out thousands to the govt system and becoming its slave.

4 drinks and driving home is not fair at all .. your tire blows out and you end up hitting a public stop sign, your going to jail simply cause you had some alcohol in your system.
the have all sorts of loopholes to get you a DUI and get you into the system and take your money and enslave you.
having even 2 drinks and getting behind the wheel is a horrible idea with the laws they have on the books now.

in my state there are 58,000 DUIs given out per year. not because tons of people are out their driving drunk, but simply because its the job of the state patrol to set you up and get you processed.
that many DUIs generate about 700 million dollars in revenue.. they will go out of their way to get you a DUI cause the system wants your money

Oh, I more than understand where you are coming from, I do.

But, where you and I differ on many topics is that I don’t have an issue with laws, even if I agree, they do tend to try to limit my freedoms. I’m not saying either of us are right or wrong, that was just my upbringing & how I continue to think.

Oh hell yeah - you’ve got massive alcohol at sporting events, a lot of hypocrisy there (particularly how all the leagues are so strong against any pot). Dude, there’s parking lots at bars, tell me that makes a lot of sense.

And yeah, everything is geared to $, $, $ and more $. I understand that, but accept that that’s the way it is and prepare for the consequences.

Some numb nuts rear ended me last year on the way to school, while stopped at a red light. The idiot was so high or drunk he didn’t even knew he had hit my car. The damage was so negligible and he was so wasted (plus I couldn’t be late for work), I just said fuck it and drove off.

Me personally, I’ve long felt I’ve had a guardian angel on my shoulder. How the hell I made it home all those nights in my youth after tons of drinking, I’ll never know. Only once did I wreck my car. Thank God I never hit another person.

Another time, mysteriously we stayed up later than our normal habit during the work week and we’re watching tv. Some drunk drove through our bedroom wall and crushed our bed. He proceeded to then park his massive 70’s era sedan in the rear parking lot with parts of the wall on his hood. Idiot.

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state laws vary .. but in my state if you had a couple drinks and were not technically drunk or going to blow over the limit , but you got in a wreck and hurt someone or destroyed property .. your going to jail . no matter if you have one drink and barely blow a reading at all (in my state they make you blow and take your blood).
whereas if you got in that same wreck and hit a fire hydrant lets say but you had zero alcohol in your system, you'd likely just get a fine for the fire hydrant . but with one drink in you now your going to jail and getting a possible felony.

me personally , I will never have a single drink at a restaurant. cause I know the scam exists. they make these laws to criminalize normal parts of society (like have a beer after work during happy hour).
they promote all these beer commercials during football games , tail gating parties, happy hour etc.. and promote going out and drinking, and then on the other hand your going to be criminalized and end up paying out thousands to the govt system and becoming its slave.

4 drinks and driving home is not fair at all .. your tire blows out and you end up hitting a public stop sign, your going to jail simply cause you had some alcohol in your system.
the have all sorts of loopholes to get you a DUI and get you into the system and take your money and enslave you.
having even 2 drinks and getting behind the wheel is a horrible idea with the laws they have on the books now.

in my state there are 58,000 DUIs given out per year. not because tons of people are out their driving drunk, but simply because its the job of the state patrol to set you up and get you processed.
that many DUIs generate about 700 million dollars in revenue.. they will go out of their way to get you a DUI cause the system wants your money

absolutely. its a big scam to criminalize whole generations of middle class folks all over the country. thats the bulk of the arrests. the poor areas of big cities dont have the issue. folks walk to the corner bar, or take the subway. and the cops are too buisy to bother wioth DWI in the first place. its the suburban and rural areas that have the problem with the over zealous cops.

The egregious thing is that you are screwed even if the drinks had nothing to do with the accident. We had an instance in my state where a guy was coming home from a wedding he attended. he had a few drinks and was stopped at a red light behind a car of mexicans. while waiting for the light to change, a drunk driver crashed into the rear of his car, which in turn forced his car into the rear of the car full of mexicans. several of them in the back seat died. the poor driver in the middle car, who couldnt have avoided the accident even if he wasnt drinking, was charged with vehicular homicide. it was a travesty of justice. they even charged him for bribery, for telling the cop to hold the contents of his pocket while he was fumbling around looking for his wallet at the scene. scumbag state police asshole.