You'll want to read this!

[Yellow]

Get Well Soon, Ron!
God Bless You Always, Brother...

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Yellow;5866856]Get Well Soon, Ron!
God Bless You Always, Brother...[/QUOTE]THANK YOU..THOSE FIRST 6 WEEKS WAS MURDER. I GET TO START LIGHT TRAINING IN 3 WEEKS AND AM BACK TO WORK PART-TIME.

[delta1111]

After scouring many different forums and reading all the information that I could soak up on the topic of both weightlifting and AAS I was left confused and with my head spinning from all the different opinions.

Ronnie when I came upon your sticky thread I read it with interest, but all of the citations and explanations that you provide gives me a great deal of confidence with what I read here. There seems to be no dissenting opinion on these boards about your expertise so with that in mind I thought I might post my proposed cycle (my second) and ask your thoughts.

I lift 4 times per week presently. I am looking solely to gain mass, and my diet is high protein, high fat, low carb while on reload, and higher carb lower protien and fat while on deload.

Day 1 Chest/Delts/Tri (12 sets each and 9 for tri)
Day 2 Back/Biceps/Forearms (12 sets each 6 for forearms)
Day 3 Alternate Chest/Delts/Tri (12 sets each and 9 for tri)
Day 4 Alternate Back/Biceps/Forearms (12 sets each 6 for forearms)
I take Friday, Saturday and Sunday as rest days.

I do it this way instead of taking rest in between workout days because of the availability of my gym. I plan to use the 8 reload and 2 deload cycle that you describe for both my workouts and my AAS.

Suggestions?

My AAS cycle is as follows;



PHASE 1
8 week reload:
weeks 1-4 d-bol 30mgs per day
Test Sust 250 at 450 mgs per week (150 EOD)
Deca 200mg/ml at 300 mgs per week (Twice weekly at 150mg)
Arimidex 1mg EOD

Weeks 5-8 Test Sust 250 at 450 mgs per week (150 EOD)
Deca 200mg/ml at 300 mgs per week (Twice weekly at 150mg)
Arimidex 1 mg EOD

2 week deload:
weeks 9-10 Test Sust 250 at 300 mgs per week


PHASE 2
8 week reload:

weeks 11-18 Test Sust 250 at 750 mgs per week (250 EOD)
Deca 200mg/ml at 400 mgs per week (Twice weekly at 200mg)
Arimidex 1 mg EOD

PHASE 3
4 week PCT:
week 19-23 Clomid 100/80/80/80
Nolva 40/20/20/20

What are your thoughts/critiques?


PS- Get well soon, it seems that you have a great number of people on here who are pulling for your recovery.

So when do you train legs??

[nekidchickens]

So when do you train legs??

Every day in Muay Thai and Boxing classes. It's not weight lifting but there is so much concentration on my legs that I would burn them out if I had a full legs day as well.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=nekidchickens;5866581]After scouring many different forums and reading all the information that I could soak up on the topic of both weightlifting and AAS I was left confused and with my head spinning from all the different opinions.

Ronnie when I came upon your sticky thread I read it with interest, but all of the citations and explanations that you provide gives me a great deal of confidence with what I read here. There seems to be no dissenting opinion on these boards about your expertise so with that in mind I thought I might post my proposed cycle (my second) and ask your thoughts. THANK YOU!

I lift 4 times per week presently. I am looking solely to gain mass, and my diet is high protein, high fat, low carb while on reload, and higher carb lower protien and fat while on deload.

Day 1 Chest/Delts/Tri (12 sets each and 9 for tri)
Day 2 Back/Biceps/Forearms (12 sets each 6 for forearms)
Day 3 Alternate Chest/Delts/Tri (12 sets each and 9 for tri)
Day 4 Alternate Back/Biceps/Forearms (12 sets each 6 for forearms)
I take Friday, Saturday and Sunday as rest days. WAY TOO MUCH VOLUME. DO NO MORE THAN 12 SETS TOTAL PER WEEK FOR EACH BODY PART. ALSO, YOU NEED TO TRAIN LEGS WITH COMPOUND MOVEMENTS TO MAKE YOUR WHOLE BODY GROW. WHEN TRAINING EACH BODY PART TWICE A WEEK IT WOULD BE NO MORE THAN 6 SETS TWICE A WEEK.
I do it this way instead of taking rest in between workout days because of the availability of my gym. I plan to use the 8 reload and 2 deload cycle that you describe for both my workouts and my AAS.

Suggestions?

DAY 1 CHEST/ BICEPS
DAY 2 LEGS
DAY 3 OFF
DAY 4 BACK/TRAPS
DAY 5 SHOULDERS/TRICEPS/ABS
DAY 6 OFF
DAY 7 OFF
DAY 8 REPEAT DAY 1
My AAS cycle is as follows;



PHASE 1
8 week reload:
weeks 1-4 d-bol 30mgs per day
Test Sust 250 at 450 mgs per week (150 EOD)
Deca 200mg/ml at 300 mgs per week (Twice weekly at 150mg)
Arimidex 1mg EOD DECREASE ARIMIDEX TO 025MGS EOD AND DROP IT ALTOGETHER IF YOU ARE NOT PRONE TO GYNO

Weeks 5-8 Test Sust 250 at 450 mgs per week (150 EOD) KEEP D-BOL IF FOR 8 WEEKS
Deca 200mg/ml at 300 mgs per week (Twice weekly at 150mg)
Arimidex 1 mg EOD

2 week deload:
weeks 9-10 Test Sust 250 at 300 mgs per week


PHASE 2
8 week reload:

weeks 11-18 Test Sust 250 at 750 mgs per week (250 EOD)
Deca 200mg/ml at 400 mgs per week (Twice weekly at 200mg)
Arimidex 1 mg EOD

NOTE: USE D-BOL FOR 2ND 8 WEEK RELOAD ONLY AND USE FOR ENTIRE 8 WEEKS.PHASE 3

4 week PCT:
week 19-23 Clomid 100/80/80/80
Nolva 40/20/20/20

What are your thoughts/critiques? YOU DO NOT NEED NOLVA OR CLOMID. STAY WITH ARIMIDEX SINCE YOU ARE ALREADY USING IT AND ADD HCG TO PCT WHICH IS BY FAR THE MOST IMPORTANT OF ALL,


PS- Get well soon, it seems that you have a great number of people on here who are pulling for your recovery. THANK YOU![/QUOTE]ABOVE

[slimshady01]

Ronnie hope you hanging in there brother

[Tom Bodo]

all the best big ron!

[aspen2cody]

Wishing you quick recovery Ron, i too had a fusion (cervical) about 7 years ago. C5/C6. The first 3 months really was bad, but I came back strong, really strong. I was about 44 years old. I have never had any trouble with it since then with no restrictions. When you have time, I have a question for you. I am currently on TRT. I will be on it the rest of my life. Currently they are only giving me 100mg/week. I would like to add something to that regime during the reload. What protocol would you add to that? Another dose of Test or Deca any oral such as anavar? I would like to routinely add this booster every reload for the entire year. Since I will never be coming off the TRT, is there good protocol just to stay on year round instead of cycling on and off? Your opinion would be greatly appreciated, thank you in advance. Being a 51 year old male looking to keep adding muscle and keeping a 6pack for the rest of my life.

[Ronnie Rowland]

I'm just now starting to feel well enough to start making some post again. I'll get back to answering questions sometime this week.

THANK YOU FOR YOUR SUPPORT!!!

[Ronnie Rowland]

[quote=aspen2cody;5868254]wishing you quick recovery ron, i too had a fusion (cervical) about 7 years ago. C5/c6. The first 3 months really was bad, but i came back strong, really strong. I was about 44 years old. I have never had any trouble with it since then with no restrictions. When you have time, i have a question for you. I am currently on trt. I will be on it the rest of my life. Currently they are only giving me 100mg/week. I would like to add something to that regime during the reload. What protocol would you add to that? Another dose of test or deca any oral such as anavar? I would like to routinely add this booster every reload for the entire year. Since i will never be coming off the trt, is there good protocol just to stay on year round instead of cycling on and off? Your opinion would be greatly appreciated, thank you in advance. Being a 51 year old male looking to keep adding muscle and keeping a 6pack for the rest of my life.[/quote]these first 7 weeks post surgery have been extremely rough. Until you experience it for yourself one cannot imagine how painful fusion surgery is. i'll be glad when i am fully recovered. If i were you i would focus on testosterone since its the safest and most effective..deca and anavar can really lower ones libido so at age 51 so stay with test because it will increase your libido. 500-1500 mgs during reloads would be idea...200-300mgs during 2 week deloads...

[The Titan99]

Hey Ron, do you have any direct or indirect experience with hernia surgery? I had the mesh hernia surgery and had the stitches out about 15 days later. The Doctor told me I could start lifting again in 4 weeks but I'm in Thailand and I don't think he knew exactly what I was talking about, especially with him say "Fitness OK!" while making a rapid, sort of a flapping curling motion with one arm. He said my abdominal muscles were unusually developed and as a result it would probably hurt more and take longer to heal. I don't really understand the pathology of the thing, but I still get a stabbing pain when I sit down too hard. It's been about 19 days since the surgery and I was thinking of just waiting till the end of the month, since I have a trip to a wedding at the end of the month. I've been doing moderate cardio for 35 minutes about 5 times a day and am on a deload with 350 mg Sustanon/50 mg Anavar ed. When I had surgery last year you suggested anavar so I thought maybe it would help this time. Losing muscle really sux, lost 10 lbs in 4 weeks!!! How long would you guess before starting a reload? Wait for zero pain? 6 weeks?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Hey Ron, do you have any direct or indirect experience with hernia surgery? yes! I had the mesh hernia surgery and had the stitches out about 15 days later. The Doctor told me I could start lifting again in 4 weeks but I'm in Thailand and I don't think he knew exactly what I was talking about, especially with him say "Fitness OK!" 6 weeks you can lift heavy again and at 4 weeks very light. i waited 7 weeks just to make sure and went moderate at week 6 while making a rapid, sort of a flapping curling motion with one arm. He said my abdominal muscles were unusually developed and as a result it would probably hurt more and take longer to heal. I don't really understand the pathology of the thing, but I still get a stabbing pain when I sit down too hard. It's been about 19 days since the surgery and I was thinking of just waiting till the end of the month, since I have a trip to a wedding at the end of the month. I've been doing moderate cardio for 35 minutes about 5 times a day and am on a deload with 350 mg Sustanon/50 mg Anavar ed. When I had surgery last year you suggested anavar so I thought maybe it would help this time. Losing muscle really sux, lost 10 lbs in 4 weeks!!! How long would you guess before starting a reload? Wait for zero pain? 6 weeks? yes!

above

[Gi812Many]

Hey Ronnie, just wanted to wish you a quick recovery...Looks like your feeling better from you last post. Wanted to let you know I have finished my 3rd 8 week cycle, starting my first week of my 3rd deload. I started at 196 lbs at 19.6 %bf at 6'3...Currently holding steady at 231lbs at 12.2% bf at the end of this cycle (thats a morning weigh in). Took me a while to break 226 obviously due to the reduction in bf This next cycle ive decided to add Deca to the cycle being I had a vial of it lying around and I used 250mgs/wkly with this last cycle. I was at a gram of Test E, 800mgs of Tren E, 250mgs Deca and 100mgs Anavar. So the next cycle I decided to do a gram of Test E, gram of Tren E, 500mgs of Deca and do you think 120mgs of Var will make that much of a deference? Im also on my 5th month of GH as well. Whats your thoughts.

[The Titan99]

Hey Ronnie, just wanted to wish you a quick recovery...Looks like your feeling better from you last post. Wanted to let you know I have finished my 3rd 8 week cycle, starting my first week of my 3rd deload. I started at 196 lbs at 19.6 %bf at 6'3...Currently holding steady at 231lbs at 12.2% bf at the end of this cycle (thats a morning weigh in). Took me a while to break 226 obviously due to the reduction in bf This next cycle ive decided to add Deca to the cycle being I had a vial of it lying around and I used 250mgs/wkly with this last cycle. I was at a gram of Test E, 800mgs of Tren E, 250mgs Deca and 100mgs Anavar. So the next cycle I decided to do a gram of Test E, gram of Tren E, 500mgs of Deca and do you think 120mgs of Var will make that much of a deference? Im also on my 5th month of GH as well. Whats your thoughts.

I'll be interested in what Ron says on this one too. I've done similar cycles at similar (even higher) doses. I know that anything over 100 mg of Var just gives me heartburn and with a gram of tren E (Yikes!!) that deca is going to be like a candle in the wind!! I usually leave it around 200 mg just for the joints. I also tend to roll that test right on up... I await the words of the Master!!

Excellent gains BTW.

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie, just wanted to wish you a quick recovery...looks like your feeling better from you last post. Wanted to let you know i have finished my 3rd 8 week cycle, starting my first week of my 3rd deload. I started at 196 lbs at 19.6 %bf at 6'3...currently holding steady at 231lbs at 12.2% bf at the end of this cycle (thats a morning weigh in). Took me a while to break 226 obviously due to the reduction in bf this next cycle ive decided to add deca to the cycle being i had a vial of it lying around and i used 250mgs/wkly with this last cycle. I was at a gram of test e, 800mgs of tren e, 250mgs deca and 100mgs anavar. So the next cycle i decided to do a gram of test e, gram of tren e, 500mgs of deca and do you think 120mgs of var will make that much of a deference? i do not think 100mgs of var will make that much difference but you could add 20 per day to increase cp levels... im also on my 5th month of gh as well. Whats your thoughts.

above

[Gi812Many]

Titan, funny...I experienced the same thing for roughly a week and half on the 100mgs of Var. You think the gram of Tren is to much? Yah the gains have been great, been on point with eating. Still do not have the muscle structure like you have, along with the lower bf...I know it will come in time, considering where ive come in this past 7 months. What are your guys thoughts on say a year of slingshot, should I look at taking 4 weeks off with just a TRT dose or would I need to come off as a whole for a period of time?

[The Titan99]

Ron told me to take 4-6 weeks at TRT dose and it really helped a lot. I did STS for about 16 months and was doing close to 2 grams of test and almost 1300 mg of tren, 800 mg masteron, 100 mg Var at one point. Never had any bad sides, but just a lot of gear and pretty expensive. Went off for 6 weeks, just doing 250 mg sustanon 50 mg Proviron and came back with 700 test p/700 mg NPP/50 mg dbol and just made great progress. Also started HGH at the beginning of the 6 weeks off (probably helped too). Your right too, it's like geology, time and pressure makes a diamond. I just had hernia surgery so I'm off for 4 weeks, but after that it's smooth sailing I hope.

A gram of tren is a lot, but it's all a matter of individual bodies and how your body reacts to it. I've done some big doses with not a bit of acne, hair loss or even excess body hair but I have a buddy who gbets gyno just looking at a bottle of test... Who knows.... Well, Ron probably does, but who else?

[Ronnie Rowland]

Titan, funny...I experienced the same thing for roughly a week and half on the 100mgs of Var. You think the gram of Tren is to much? Yah the gains have been great, been on point with eating. Still do not have the muscle structure like you have, along with the lower bf...I know it will come in time, considering where ive come in this past 7 months. What are your guys thoughts on say a year of slingshot, should I look at taking 4 weeks off with just a TRT dose or would I need to come off as a whole for a period of time? I would take a 4-6 week break twice a year.

above

[Gi812Many]

My gyno was pretty bad all the way in to my second 8 week. This last 8 week cycle it was minimal, thinking has to with reduced bf %. Was on both an AI and 20mgs of Nolvadex/daily, this past cycle no Nolvadex. My hair loss has been minimal until I did Masteron on my second 8 week cycle and it literally stopped growing, lol. Other than that, Tren has not been bad on me. Im running on my 5th month of GH, went up to 8 iu's for two months. Im moving to Finland from the states towards the end of April first of May, not 100% sure exact date. So ive had to cut back to 5 iu's to save some cash.

[Ronnie Rowland]

My gyno was pretty bad all the way in to my second 8 week. This last 8 week cycle it was minimal, thinking has to with reduced bf %.It's not your body fat levels but rather your body getting use to the anabolics. When I first started test my nipples got sore for a few weeks but it went away and no anti-es were ever needed. Anti-es can actually make you more prone to gyno in the future if you do not need them in the first place and they are hard on your body as a whole. Remember, anti-es are an anti-cancer drug which should not be taken lightly! Was on both an AI and 20mgs of Nolvadex/daily, this past cycle no Nolvadex. My hair loss has been minimal until I did Masteron on my second 8 week cycle and it literally stopped growing, lol. Other than that, Tren has not been bad on me. Im running on my 5th month of GH, went up to 8 iu's for two months. Im moving to Finland from the states towards the end of April first of May, not 100% sure exact date. So ive had to cut back to 5 iu's to save some cash.

above

[Bulkn]

Hey Ron, hope you have a good speedy recovery!
Now, I have developed a injury to my elbow. It started from doing seated overhead dumbell extensions (using both hands for one heavy dumbell) reps were kept between 10-14. I developed a slight pain just ontop of my elbow (i think it could be the tendon?) I thought it may have been a one off thing because i never usually get injuries but after a couple more weeks it was still there so i stopped doing this excercise. I could only feel it when i was training triceps but now i can feel it every time i use my tricep and even sometimes in the morning when i wake up its hard to fully extend my arm.
It sucks because im 5 weeks into my cycle! What do you think is the best thing to do? Should i not train triceps for a week or 2?
BTW i train bi's and tri's twice a week.
Also, when doing cable tricep movements, is it bad to fully extend (lock out) my tricep because i think i have been doing this when doing 1 arm cable pushdowns.

Thanks!

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ron, hope you have a good speedy recovery!
Now, i have developed a injury to my elbow. It started from doing seated overhead dumbell extensions (using both hands for one heavy dumbell) reps were kept between 10-14. I developed a slight pain just ontop of my elbow (i think it could be the tendon?) that exercise in particular is very hard on the elbow tendons which is why i feel it should be avoided. Its better to use cables when performing overhead exercises for the triceps as it will spare the tendons and provide continuous tension to the muscles-hence increasing results! . Thought it may have been a one off thing because i never usually get injuries but after a couple more weeks it was still there so i stopped doing this excercise. I could only feel it when i was training triceps but now i can feel it every time i use my tricep and even sometimes in the morning when i wake up its hard to fully extend my arm.
It sucks because im 5 weeks into my cycle! What do you think is the best thing to do? Should i not train triceps for a week or 2? yes drop all tricep work and get an elbow brace to use such as futuro brand when training shoulder presses and chest presses. If it continues stop all pressing for 2 weeks as well. And keep pressing movements in high rep range 12-15 for now so you do not rupture that tendon and require surgery. Some deca and gh will also help aid those tendons in healing. btw i train bi's and tri's twice a week. reduce to once a week when you get back to training them for no moer than 9 sets a piece.also, when doing cable tricep movements, is it bad to fully extend (lock out) my tricep because i think i have been doing this when doing 1 arm cable pushdowns. never fully lock out the elbows!thanks!

above

[Twolf20]

Ron, do you have any experience with HGH, and if so, how would you include this into your slingshot program? I ran a basic test e slingshot last fall as follows:

Weeks 1-8: 500mg
9-10: 250mg
11-18: 750mg
19-20 250mg
21-25 pct

I'm looking to start a new cycle with added compounds now that I have experience (three test e cycles, two for 12 weeks and one slingshot) and may include HGH. Thanks for your help.

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=Twolf20;5878617]Ron, do you have any experience with HGH, and if so, how would you include this into your slingshot program? I ran a basic test e slingshot last fall as follows:

Weeks 1-8: 500mg
9-10: 250mg
11-18: 750mg
19-20 250mg
21-25 pct

I'm looking to start a new cycle with added compounds now that I have experience (three test e cycles, two for 12 weeks and one slingshot) and may include HGH. Thanks for your help. WHEN USING GH YOU CAN RUN THE SAME DOSAGE THROUGHOUT THE ENTIRE CYCLE OR YOU CAN CUT IT IN HALF DURING DELOADSIF YOU ARE PRONE TO BEING A DIABETIC. 8 IUS PER DAY IS GOOD FOR MUSCLE GROWTH. 4IUS DOES MORE TO AID IN FAT BURNING UNLESS USED FOR A VERY LONG TIME. INJECT ONCE A DAY AT NIGHT BEFORE GOING TO BED. GET PHARM GRADE HGH BECAUSE AROUND 80% OF ALL HGH ON THE MARKET IS COUNTERFEIT! [/QUOTE]ABOVE

[kml999]

deleted

[ricky23]

great to have you back Ronnie and hope you're feeling better. im going through a similar situation too! hard to take but we'll come back even better!
was talking with an aspiring pro who used to blast and cruise similar to STS but now just stays on high blast doses of test and tren or deca and rotates orals! 2 months on orals 1 month off. same with slin. (bloodwork not bad too!)
lots of studies showing receptors upregulate and turnover in the body contiuously but desensitization would have been my concern but no, said best gains hes made this way. comes off when he feels the need for a break could be after 9 months of staying on blast dose! done this for last 3 years. ups doses every 3 months or so but no cruise or deload! (only with training and food to allow more junk food and rest lol) throws in a fat loss period inbetween if needed!
got me interested and i found a study showing myostatin reaches baseline levels at the 20 week mark after the initial peak at 8 weeks. maybe cell proliferation is more constant this way? cant find any science to prove this method and doubt any studies would have similar considitions!
suppose no homeostasis as orals and slin is rotated and increases doses every 3 or 4 months.
what do you think? i dont think i would be able to stay on tren for 9 months lol

[Ronnie Rowland]

[QUOTE=ricky23;5882017]great to have you back Ronnie and hope you're feeling better. im going through a similar situation too! hard to take but we'll come back even better!
was talking with an aspiring pro who used to blast and cruise similar to STS but now just stays on high blast doses of test and tren or deca and rotates orals! 2 months on orals 1 month off. same with slin. (bloodwork not bad too!)
lots of studies showing receptors upregulate and turnover in the body contiuously but desensitization would have been my concern but no, said best gains hes made this way. A deload for a pro is around 1 gram of test weekly but I feel it's not wise to put ones body through such a harsh course unless you have the genetics and finances to make the top 10 in the olympia. Health should always come first IMO. . in the3 comes off when he feels the need for a break could be after 9 months of staying on blast dose! done this for last 3 years. ups doses every 3 months or so but no cruise or deload! (only with training and food to allow more junk food and rest lol) throws in a fat loss period inbetween if needed! It's not a healthy way to go IMO for the vast majority of us who do not have the genetics or finances to become a professional bodybuilder. For example, take a look at pro-bodybuilder Art Attwood who died of a massive heart attack last year and he was in his 30's. Obviously he was prone to heart disease but bulking up on junk food and over doing any meds such as steroids and fat burners is eventually going to harm your heart.got me interested and i found a study showing myostatin reaches baseline levels at the 20 week mark (correct!)after the initial peak at 8 weeks (yes-hence the need for a deload at this time!!!). maybe cell proliferation is more constant this way? There's still some things we do not know but what I do know is 8 week reloads coupled with 2 week deloads is the best route I have found. cant find any science to prove this method and doubt any studies would have similar considitions!
suppose no homeostasis as orals and slin is rotated and increases doses every 3 or 4 months.
what do you think? I agree with the orals and slin rotation when trying to gain as much as possible but I do not think it is wise to avoid deloading by using things such as test and GH only after having been on both injectable and oral anabolics and slin for 8 weeks. i dont think i would be able to stay on tren for 9 months lol That would be brutal for anyone![/QUOTE]above

[Biker84]

This may have been answered some where and I misses it. But, does this training method apply for some one not using gear? should I just cut the reload in half. Instead of doing 8 weeks of reload just do 4 weeks before going into deload for 2 weeks.

Thank u in advance
M

[Ronnie Rowland]

This may have been answered some where and I misses it. But, does this training method apply for some one not using gear? YES! It is for both natural and drug enhanced athletes. Remember, steroids do nothing for CNS and joint recovery! should I just cut the reload in half. no! Instead of doing 8 weeks of reload just do 4 weeks before going into deload for 2 weeks.

Thank u in advance
M

above

[Turbogenix]

Ron, I have a ton of TestE 250 left over from a previous 12wk cycle . I was dissappointed with the gains, and experienced sides after the cycle was over. It has been 4 months and I've done a ton of research and ready to start again. Slingshot seems like the best route. If I do test e again, dosage should be what?
Week1-8 250mg injections 2x/wk =500mg a week
Week 9&10 125mg injections 2x/wk =250mg a week
Week 11-18 500mg injections 2x/wk =1000mg
Week 19&20 125mg injections 2x/wk =250mg a week
Week 21-24 pCT

I also want to throw in dbol and anadrol, I have plenty on hand as well as Exemestane.

What should my pct and dosage be?
Should I take a cycle assist during the entire time?
What should I have on hand in case sides occur?
Is there anything I should add to increase results?

Please help put together a solid mass cycle.
Thanks in advance !!

[Razor]

"To recap: You use more training volume and take in more protein during your 8 week anabolic steroid cycles so you can get the most out of each cycle . This is your reload ! After the reload you begin deloading for 2 weeks by using less training volume, higher reps (12-15) less anabolics and taking in less protein so you can return to another 8 week anabolic cycle/reload 2 weeks later and make continued progress. The cycle continues (reload/deload/reload/deload/reload/deload,etc)"

Am I reading this right? you can do an 8 week cycle and then come off for 2 weeks for deload and then return to another 8 week cycle? Does not seem right. PCT takes at least 4 weeks,

[The Titan99]

"To recap: You use more training volume and take in more protein during your 8 week anabolic steroid cycles so you can get the most out of each cycle . This is your reload ! After the reload you begin deloading for 2 weeks by using less training volume, higher reps (12-15) less anabolics and taking in less protein so you can return to another 8 week anabolic cycle/reload 2 weeks later and make continued progress. The cycle continues (reload/deload/reload/deload/reload/deload,etc)"

Am I reading this right? you can do an 8 week cycle and then come off for 2 weeks for deload and then return to another 8 week cycle? Does not seem right. PCT takes at least 4 weeks,

It's actually 3 part cycle (4 if you count PCT). You reload 8 weeks, deload 2 weeks (You can drop all anabolics or drop all but 250 Test a week, see Sust./Cyp for instance wouldn't clear your system for 18 days, enth 14 day - 2 weeks etc), then reload for another 8 week while increasing AAS dose or possibly adding in an oral or whatever - 20 weeks in total, then deload while you wait for PCT then reload again during PCT. This will help you gain more muscle mass due to longer exposure to AAS as well as retain more of your gains increased training volume/protein intake during PCT. This also works if your blasting and cruising (ideal really). So basically Ron plans 20 week cycles with a deload period in between, hence the name Slingshot Training System.

And BTW, I never had gains like I have on this program. It's all I ever or will ever do from now on.

[Razor]

It's actually 3 part cycle (4 if you count PCT). You reload 8 weeks, deload 2 weeks (You can drop all anabolics or drop all but 250 Test a week, see Sust./Cyp for instance wouldn't clear your system for 18 days, enth 14 day - 2 weeks etc), then reload for another 8 week while increasing AAS dose or possibly adding in an oral or whatever - 20 weeks in total, then deload while you wait for PCT then reload again during PCT. This will help you gain more muscle mass due to longer exposure to AAS as well as retain more of your gains increased training volume/protein intake during PCT. This also works if your blasting and cruising (ideal really). So basically Ron plans 20 week cycles with a deload period in between, hence the name Slingshot Training System.

And BTW, I never had gains like I have on this program. It's all I ever or will ever do from now on.

Sounds good to me, Im going to do it too then

[Gi812Many]

It's actually 3 part cycle (4 if you count PCT ). You reload 8 weeks, deload 2 weeks (You can drop all anabolics or drop all but 250 Test a week, see Sust./Cyp for instance wouldn't clear your system for 18 days, enth 14 day - 2 weeks etc), then reload for another 8 week while increasing AAS dose or possibly adding in an oral or whatever - 20 weeks in total, then deload while you wait for PCT then reload again during PCT . This will help you gain more muscle mass due to longer exposure to AAS as well as retain more of your gains increased training volume/protein intake during PCT . This also works if your blasting and cruising (ideal really). So basically Ron plans 20 week cycles with a deload period in between, hence the name Slingshot Training System.

Im deloading with Test E.....

[Turbogenix]

Ron, I have a ton of TestE 250 left over from a previous 12wk cycle. I was dissappointed with the gains, and experienced sides after the cycle was over. It has been 4 months and I've done a ton of research and ready to start again. Slingshot seems like the best route. If I do test e again, dosage should be what?
Week1-8 250mg injections 2x/wk =500mg a week
Week 9&10 125mg injections 2x/wk =250mg a week
Week 11-18 500mg injections 2x/wk =1000mg
Week 19&20 125mg injections 2x/wk =250mg a week
Week 21-24 pCT

What should my pct and dosage be?
Should I take a cycle assist during the entire time?
What should I have on hand in case sides occur?
Is there anything I should add to increase results?

Thanks in advance !!

[kq21]

Hello. I have never used steroids before and have been training for a year and a half now. If I were to do 1 cycle of dbol stacked with tren or something and then do the pct after and then stop completely with supplements would I lose all my gains? I would continue with the same intensity and nutrition after I've stopped

[KingEars]

hey ronnie, i had a question about doing a test / winny stack wondering what you though about the two.. thanks

[nekidchickens]

Hey, glad to hear that you are feeling better. I am just curious as to your thoughts on my AAS cycle;



PHASE 1
8 week reload:

weeks 1-4
d-bol 30mgs per day
Test Sust 250 at 450 mgs per week (150 EOD)
Deca 200mg/ml at 300 mgs per week (Twice weekly at 150mg)
Arimidex 1mg EOD

Weeks 5-8
Test Sust 250 at 450 mgs per week (150 EOD)
Deca 200mg/ml at 300 mgs per week (Twice weekly at 150mg)
Arimidex 1 mg EOD

2 week deload:
weeks 9-10 Test Sust 250 at 300 mgs per week


PHASE 2
8 week reload:

weeks 11-18
Test Sust 250 at 750 mgs per week (250 EOD)
Deca 200mg/ml at 400 mgs per week (Twice weekly at 200mg)
Arimidex 1 mg EOD

PHASE 3
4 week PCT :
week 19-23

Clomid 100/80/80/80

What are your thoughts/critiques?

[kml999]

Ron,
great to have you back! i did further BW and now i would like you to comment/advise on further adjustmens i could make to improve my recent BW from these values below:


Esradiol= 35 (11-44)
CLIA e2= less than 20 (upto 56)
total test= 8.05 (1.95-11.3)
TSH= 0.63 (0.49-4.6)
LH= 2.38 (2-12)
FSH= 2.98 (1.13-12.51)
DHT= 1042 (250-990)

i get 1-2 arritating stings in my left nipple per day and the puffiness did go down allot now. should i lower e2 even more cause am still getting stings once in a while or just ignore it since am with in range? Am off cycle and would like a recommendation on how to dose HCG off cycle that i recently got. The tests above were done 3-4wks after my last aromasin dose and am sure my total test will drop a bit cause its a bit high compared to my base total test value i have in reference. I have 0.5mg Dutasteride pills and was wondering if i should lower that DHT down? If i go on Test E+Dbol cycle wouldnt DHT elevate more?

[Ronnie Rowland]

hey ronnie, i had a question about doing a test / winny stack wondering what you though about the two.. thanks Its good for getting cut but I would add in some deca to protect your joints as winstrol really dries them out.

above