i need major help (life saving help) seriously

[bvfd253]

so hey its a friday night and im chillin at the house alone, had a few drinks tryin 2 drown the life away.......... my situation would be this, im 6'5" tall and just 142 pounds yesssss 6'5" @ 142 pounds been that way my whole life and here i am 2 days after hittin the age of 25.......... ive got a friend who has brain cancer it will probably turn fatal but see he was 6'1" and thin b4 he got it then for his begining treatment right after he was diagnosed with the brain cancer they put him on some sort of steroid and he SERIOUSlY gained about 30-40 pounds in 2 weeks, he didnt work out while on it considerin the circumstances but ever since that point 2.5 years ago i have been overly curious about steroids, now i want to lie and say ive been weight training for the suggested 2-3 years that is site suggests b4 takin roids but i wont bullshit you, i havent. but i will say this, i have went 3 months doing a complete healt freak phase that eliminated all toxins incuding caffeine, i lifted responsibly (meaning not too much not too little) i lifted heavy. i stayed hydrated i did the protein shakes, i did the nitric oxide booster, the creatine and i kept my diet resonably acceptable for a body builder but hmmmm all that work and i gained hardly anything. yeah try and lecture me and say i did something wrong, say my diet is wrong say i didnt lift right, i will scream "bullshit" because im confident i did it to the best of my abilities and with my genetics i am indeed a hard gainer (dont make me remind you of my natural weight vs height stats. So what im asking of this forum is for your advice, i say this is life saving help because its my last stand, I've got the balls to do what it takes reguardless of the consequesnces that may or may not happen and hey my tits can get big or my nuts can shrink but thats the good thing about america i guess, there's sumtin called doctor patient privledge so throw it at me im open to any advice that will add the pounds and not knock my goals (my weight becoming 175lbs) within 6 months (or more) help?

[Big]

so hey its a friday night and im chillin at the house alone, had a few drinks tryin 2 drown the life away.......... my situation would be this, im 6'5" tall and just 142 pounds yesssss 6'5" @ 142 pounds been that way my whole life and here i am 2 days after hittin the age of 25.......... ive got a friend who has brain cancer it will probably turn fatal but see he was 6'1" and thin b4 he got it then for his begining treatment right after he was diagnosed with the brain cancer they put him on some sort of steroid and he SERIOUSlY gained about 30-40 pounds in 2 weeks, he didnt work out while on it considerin the circumstances but ever since that point 2.5 years ago i have been overly curious about steroids, now i want to lie and say ive been weight training for the suggested 2-3 years that is site suggests b4 takin roids but i wont bullshit you, i havent. but i will say this, i have went 3 months doing a complete healt freak phase that eliminated all toxins incuding caffeine, i lifted responsibly (meaning not too much not too little) i lifted heavy. i stayed hydrated i did the protein shakes, i did the nitric oxide booster, the creatine and i kept my diet resonably acceptable for a body builder but hmmmm all that work and i gained hardly anything. yeah try and lecture me and say i did something wrong, say my diet is wrong say i didnt lift right, i will scream "bullshit" because im confident i did it to the best of my abilities and with my genetics i am indeed a hard gainer (dont make me remind you of my natural weight vs height stats. So what im asking of this forum is for your advice, i say this is life saving help because its my last stand, I've got the balls to do what it takes reguardless of the consequesnces that may or may not happen and hey my tits can get big or my nuts can shrink but thats the good thing about america i guess, there's sumtin called doctor patient privledge so throw it at me im open to any advice that will add the pounds and not knock my goals (my weight becoming 175lbs) within 6 months (or more) help?

life saving? well you have no shortage of drama.
list your diet in detail.

[bvfd253]

i have no set diet at the moment but i do know what to eat, and to keep from ever feelin hungry while on a cycle (which ive never done) lol

[G4R]

You don't need steroids unless your doctor feels its neccessary. You need a good diet.

[bvfd253]

You don't need steroids unless your doctor feels its neccessary. You need a good diet.

im resisting the urge to insult your inteligence, like i said dont knock my goals, im at the breakin point and its either make make some changes or give up on everything, sit here and lecture me about eatting habbits its like i said i know how to eat right i dont need to list it i dont need to be lectured on it, i simply need advice that goes beyond what i eat! every post ive made all i hear is "whats ur diet" AND im telling you its NOT my diet i have been there done that im 25 been this size my entire adult life, and here i am on the number 1 visited anabolic web-site and ppl only talk about diets, yesss im thin and all these yrs ppl say damnnnn you need to eat boy, well that isnt it, i eat all the time and i conciously eat quality food not junk food, no chips just good ole chicken breast, bread, fish even tho i dont like it, WHEATIES (lol) eatting right just doesnt do it, lifting and eatting alone doenst do much either

[G4R]

im resisting the urge to insult your inteligence, like i said dont knock my goals, im at the breakin point and its either make make some changes or give up on everything, sit here and lecture me about eatting habbits its like i said i know how to eat right i dont need to list it i dont need to be lectured on it, i simply need advice that goes beyond what i eat! every post ive made all i hear is "whats ur diet" AND im telling you its NOT my diet i have been there done that im 25 been this size my entire adult life, and here i am on the number 1 visited anabolic web-site and ppl only talk about diets, yesss im thin and all these yrs ppl say damnnnn you need to eat boy, well that isnt it, i eat all the time and i conciously eat quality food not junk food, no chips just good ole chicken breast, bread, fish even tho i dont like it, WHEATIES (lol) eatting right just doesnt do it, lifting and eatting alone doenst do much either

Have you gone to your doctor? Have you had any testing done to find out if anything is wrong with your body? If so, has any doctor told you that steroids were the answer?

We talk about diet because it is key. You claim to know how to eat right. Prove it to me. Post up what you eat daily. I am not trying to be a jerk, but I can't recommend steroids to anyone who I don't feel is ready for them.

[Big]

i have no set diet at the moment but i do know what to eat, and to keep from ever feelin hungry while on a cycle (which ive never done) lol

big surprise, you have no idea how to diet and you're skinny.
learn to eat.
next?

[bvfd253]

big surprise, you have no idea how to diet and you're skinny.
learn to eat.
next?

obviously you didnt read and understand the original message.

[ninesecz]

We have seen this a million times!! Had gainer or not! I bet a milliion dollars if you take a notepad and write down everything you eat tomorrow and exactly what nutrients are in it! i will gurantee you are eating no where near enough to grow and put on weight!! I know this becuase everyone can gain weight if they eat enough! Your friend got steroids to help him gain weight cause he probably had no appetite! but with you having an appetite I will still bet you you are not even eating 2500 cals a dsay! and sorry about the drama, But I lost my 31 year old GF to a car accident 4 years ago yesterday!! Lost my house, My cars all my money, My new GF lost her cousin to one of the rarest diseases in the world at 26! My best friend lost his 6 yr old nephew to Luekemia, My mother has Rhuemetoid Arthritis And I have also lost 3 other good friends to drug overdoses! So sorry but if you want to compare sob stories I will beat you hands down!! Whatever you are eating right now! Double it!@ Even add some Butter and gravy just to put on some size!

[bvfd253]

We have seen this a million times!! Had gainer or not! I bet a milliion dollars if you take a notepad and write down everything you eat tomorrow and exactly what nutrients are in it! i will gurantee you are eating no where near enough to grow and put on weight!! I know this becuase everyone can gain weight if they eat enough! Your friend got steroids to help him gain weight cause he probably had no appetite! but with you having an appetite I will still bet you you are not even eating 2500 cals a dsay! and sorry about the drama, But I lost my 31 year old GF to a car accident 4 years ago yesterday!! Lost my house, My cars all my money, My new GF lost her cousin to one of the rarest diseases in the world at 26! My best friend lost his 6 yr old nephew to Luekemia, My mother has Rhuemetoid Arthritis And I have also lost 3 other good friends to drug overdoses! So sorry but if you want to compare sob stories I will beat you hands down!! Whatever you are eating right now! Double it!@ Even add some Butter and gravy just to put on some size!

yay its someone who actually cares enough to wrote more than "hey its ur diet" ***** stars goes out to this member even tho its of little help, ive eatten till ive thrown up, how bout some advice on how to increase my appetite without increasing my metabolism? but hell even with that id just gain fat and as we know fat is useless and weighs less than muscle............. minus 2 stars for you ***

[Sauced_Up]

yay its someone who actually cares enough to wrote more than "hey its ur diet" ***** stars goes out to this member even tho its of little help, ive eatten till ive thrown up, how bout some advice on how to increase my appetite without increasing my metabolism? but hell even with that id just gain fat and as we know fat is useless and weighs less than muscle............. minus 2 stars for you ***

1) Fat is not useless, its a key part to you body functioning properly & healthily, its contains the highest amount of energy your body is capable of storing.

2) 1 pound of fat = 1 pound of muscle / 1 kg of fat = 1 kg of muscle. Weight is weight, 1 pound of anything will equal to 1 pound of something else.

3) I CAN BET YOUR NOT EATING ENOUGH, please post up your diet and all this bickering will come to an end

[Twist]

just go to the diet section and talk to those guys. get a diet and you will gain.
I too am skinny as **** and thought I knew all about diet. its not just what you eat it is when you eat it and it what combinations. try that for some months then talk about aas. but at least wait a couple months and give the diet guys a chance.
You will have to do the diet thing anyway for the cycle so get it done and if it does nothing then add the aas.

[ninesecz]

Greed but 4got to write it! You will need your diet in check to actully get any results out of a proposed cycle so work mon that first then do the steroids! You will learn a lot more and get better results

[Reed]

You must understand that steroids will not magically cause you to gain weight, what do you think causes your body to grow, an excess of calories and the right amount of macronutrients and basically anabolic will accelerate the process in which they are utilized. Just plain injecting a hormone with out a proper diet will not cause magic gains in muscle

Like they said if you knew how to diet your stats would speak different, and don't give us I have this incredible metabolism cause that would mean you have a thyroid disorder and WOULD NOT need to being taking steroids as this could be dangerous and make things much worse.

Again if you put the time in the right way, with detailing out your diet and training program you will be much better off.

[bvfd253]

You must understand that steroids will not magically cause you to gain weight, what do you think causes your body to grow, an excess of calories and the right amount of macronutrients and basically anabolic will accelerate the process in which they are utilized. Just plain injecting a hormone with out a proper diet will not cause magic gains in muscle

Like they said if you knew how to diet your stats would speak different, and don't give us I have this incredible metabolism cause that would mean you have a thyroid disorder and WOULD NOT need to being taking steroids as this could be dangerous and make things much worse.

Again if you put the time in the right way, with detailing out your diet and training program you will be much better off.

i remember my friend tat had the cancer and was on steroids would always be hungary and would seriously eat you out of house and home, his appetite was insane and he gained fast, he later told me he wished that he lifted while on them, im fully aware roids arent magic, cant make sumtin from nothin, im pretty good with the concepts of physics. im simply sayin and lemme go ahead and say this in a nasty way, when i eat, it doesnt stick it just comes out in the toilet o_O

[Tjohn6231]

Hey dude. I know first hand that these responses can piss you off sometimes, but take it from me. I wanted everyone to tell me the perfect cycle that I should be on, and I wanted to hear exactly how much muscle that I could put on, etc. Some of the members kept telling me that diet, and exercise was the key. I didnt want to listen at first, but I actually started doing what they told me. Ive been really strict on my diet, and exercise for a few weeks, and I have an 80 page notebook that I write down EVERYTHING in. I write down todays meals, tomorrows meals, todays training, tomorrows training, etc. Its half full, and I started it 3 weeks ago.
Whether their comments piss you off or not....they are 100% legit with their information.
Look at it this way.......At least your not on the other end meaning, at least your not 300 lbs, and trying to lose weight. Any weight that you gain will show results in the mirror. Im not telling you to rule out a cycle, but just make sure that you have all of the details in order before you make that purchase.
If you truly want to do a cycle, then plan a date (at least 45-60 days out) and learn as much as you can about dieting, and training. If you have a strict diet (that you actually stick to), and a good training regimen, then the cycle will show better results.
Good luck with whatever you decide.

[bvfd253]

Hey dude. I know first hand that these responses can piss you off sometimes, but take it from me. I wanted everyone to tell me the perfect cycle that I should be on, and I wanted to hear exactly how much muscle that I could put on, etc. Some of the members kept telling me that diet, and exercise was the key. I didnt want to listen at first, but I actually started doing what they told me. Ive been really strict on my diet, and exercise for a few weeks, and I have an 80 page notebook that I write down EVERYTHING in. I write down todays meals, tomorrows meals, todays training, tomorrows training, etc. Its half full, and I started it 3 weeks ago.
Whether their comments piss you off or not....they are 100% legit with their information.
Look at it this way.......At least your not on the other end meaning, at least your not 300 lbs, and trying to lose weight. Any weight that you gain will show results in the mirror. Im not telling you to rule out a cycle, but just make sure that you have all of the details in order before you make that purchase.
If you truly want to do a cycle, then plan a date (at least 45-60 days out) and learn as much as you can about dieting, and training. If you have a strict diet (that you actually stick to), and a good training regimen, then the cycle will show better results.
Good luck with whatever you decide.

thanks, this is the post to my situation that really started changing my additude to the situation im in, it makes sense and i appreciate that

[thai-lan]

he knows what to eat !!!!

[ninesecz]

Brotha, it is not about eating till ya puke! Some foods are starchy and fill you up quickler others have more fast digesting carbs and are burned for energy, You need to knwo what these foods are and use them. Here is a quick rundown for my daily meals

1)Lee Labrada Lean Body Breakfast shake (no appetite in Am so I drink my nutrients) 320cals 45g protein 25 carbs 5fat 1 bowl of oat meal with Brown sugar 450cals 80gcarb 15 protein 10fats

meal 2 10 oz lean hamburger meat and 8oz white rice 550cals 60protein 60carbs 10fats

meal 3 Pre workout shake 600calories 60 carbs 60 protein 14 fat

meal 4 Post workout shake + Lean beef 650 calories 60 carbs 70 protein 12 fat

meal 5 8 Oz Chicken Breast with White Rice 500calories 55 protein 60 carbs 8 fat

meal 6 Lee Labrada Lean Body Shake with 8 oz lean beef 500 calories 70 protein 40 carbs 10 fat

I also usually have a couple other meals in there somewhere too!! about another 500+ calories

[ninesecz]

your diet you wrote up was about 1500calories at best need to eat 3 X that much bro!!

[ninesecz]

on top mof it.. Pizza?? Mcdonalds?? Soda??? No Wonder??? You need to think about what you are eating! Look at ehat I eat and that is still jot even a perfect diet! But it works pretty good for me!! Your eating past and pizza and McD's! and onkly actually like 3 meals a day!! You need another 4-6 meals on top of that to grow and some hardcore weight training!

[thai-lan]

i wonder if he even works out

[ninesecz]

I will also tell nyou this straight up!! Yes you probably could gain 15-30# from a cycle! But not with that diet! On top of it you do realize that once you are done with the 10-12 weeks on the steroids you are going to lose 1/2 of what you gained because usually half is water weight anyway! Then you my friend will end up losing the other 1//2 within 6 months because you are not eating enough and giving yourself the nutrients you need! The waht is going to happen? you will be even more depressed because you ha the weight and lost it!! Trust me! and i do not B.S> People!! If you fix your diet properly... I mean really really fix it! I will bet you can gain 25# of muscle in 6-12 months naturally and beleive me 20# of muscle on you will look unbelievabke

[Reed]

I mean I really can't believe it, with him saying I will call bullshit if you say I don't eat good and then saying I know how to eat then posting this. Then saying I don't have a training program WTF???? only 3 meals a day of nothing but shit. I eat 7-9 meals depending on the season of quality food.

A troll maybe, this can't be serious.

[Reed]

Actually have a workout program 5x a week will help w/ your appetite, also less drinking alcohol.

travel down to the diet section and look into the stickies

[bvfd253]

thanks to everyone, i really did need the one on one advice comin from you all who have accomplished the gains, its one thing to read stuff on the net about gettin big and then its a totally different thing to have real ppl hear your story and customize their thoughts to give you the advice, and i appreciate that alot, hearing it come from real people and not just a pre-written web-site gives me the confidence to know it will work for even my hard gaining ass lol =)

[G4R]

Just play it smart and be careful

[bvfd253]

just one more question i have to ask, so ive read once a fat cell is created it never goes away and once the fat cell is created its hard to keep the weight off (assuming i eat right of course) so with that said and considering my friend who did steriods gained massive amounts of weight in just weeks while not lifting, would it be a bad idea if i did a low dose to get myself up about 15 pounds (while eatting right) as a base for when i start to do it corectly, meaning getting off the steriods (using a pct even with the low dose of course) and then going for the gains naturally b4 i actually get try steriods for real gains....?

[bvfd253]

Just play it smart and be careful

just one more question i have to ask, so ive read once a fat cell is created it never goes away and once the fat cell is created its hard to keep the weight off (assuming i eat right of course) so with that said and considering my friend who did steriods gained massive amounts of weight in just weeks while not lifting, would it be a bad idea if i did a low dose to get myself up about 15 pounds (while eatting right) as a base for when i start to do it corectly, meaning getting off the steriods (using a pct even with the low dose of course) and then going for the gains naturally b4 i actually get try steriods for real gains....?

[ninesecz]

trust me if you start eating every 2-3 hours like you need to , the appetite will follow, you will start to be able to tell what time it is by your stomach growling!! If I go n hour over my meal time I get cramps! Start eating just a few hundred calories (good nutritious calories) every few hours and just slowly add a little more food every time you feel you can! Keep a log (notebook) of what you are eating and if at the end of the day you are still short.. have a nice big milkshake and trust me with your obviously lightning fast metabolism a few extra grams of fat is not going to hurt you!! Good Luck!

[bvfd253]

trust me if you start eating every 2-3 hours like you need to , the appetite will follow, you will start to be able to tell what time it is by your stomach growling!! If I go n hour over my meal time I get cramps! Start eating just a few hundred calories (good nutritious calories) every few hours and just slowly add a little more food every time you feel you can! Keep a log (notebook) of what you are eating and if at the end of the day you are still short.. have a nice big milkshake and trust me with your obviously lightning fast metabolism a few extra grams of fat is not going to hurt you!! Good Luck!

just one more question i have to ask, so ive read once a fat cell is created it never goes away and once the fat cell is created its hard to keep the weight off (assuming i eat right of course) so with that said and considering my friend who did steriods gained massive amounts of weight in just weeks while not lifting, would it be a bad idea if i did a low dose to get myself up about 15 pounds (while eatting right) as a base for when i start to do it corectly, meaning getting off the steriods (using a pct even with the low dose of course) and then going for the gains naturally b4 i actually get try steriods for real gains....?

Actually have a workout program 5x a week will help w/ your appetite, also less drinking alcohol.

travel down to the diet section and look into the stickies

just one more question i have to ask, so ive read once a fat cell is created it never goes away and once the fat cell is created its hard to keep the weight off (assuming i eat right of course) so with that said and considering my friend who did steriods gained massive amounts of weight in just weeks while not lifting, would it be a bad idea if i did a low dose to get myself up about 15 pounds (while eatting right) as a base for when i start to do it corectly, meaning getting off the steriods (using a pct even with the low dose of course) and then going for the gains naturally b4 i actually get try steriods for real gains....?

[thai-lan]

lol no dont expect to spend alot of time in grocery store , first spend your time reading stuff about diet then go do your grocery. once u start eating properly your appetite will sky rocket !! your body must be hungry because of you are like what 6'5 and 145?? so your body needs every quality cal possible

[Pittbull78]

Diet. Diet. Diet. And remember garbage in garbage out. Add gear only when your diet is perfect - then you'll be able to make the gains you're seeking. Now I've got a date with my Fina so you'll have to excuse me. Good Luck.

[T-MOS]

There is a reason we all say DIET is most important....CAUSE IT IS

think about it...you gonna expect a high performance race car to win a race on cheap gas?

NO

You put the best stuff in to get the best stuff out

Here is an example of MY bulking diet

meal 1- 10 egg whites, 2 whole eggs, 8 oz oatmeal, 1/2 grapefruit

meal 2- 2 chicken breasts, 12 oz sweet potato

meal 3- 12-16 oz lean STEAK, 10 oz baked potato, salad

meal 4- 2 chicken breasts, 12 oz sweet potato

meal 5- 2 cans Tuna fish, 2tbs low fat mayo, 12 oz brown rice

meal 6- 8-10 oz salmon or other fish, steamed veggies, 8 oz brown rice

meal 7- natty peanut butter sandwich on protein bread, with 8 0z cottage cheese

NOW, if your diet doesn't look something like that, eating every 2-3 hours you are awake, THAT is why you are not growing

sure steroids may make you gain some pounds, but you don't know how to eat to keep those lbs so it will be a total waste

if you can barely maintain 142 lbs on your current diet, how do you expect to keep an additional 20-30 lbs???

IF it takes ....oh lets just say.... 2000 calories to maintain your weight at 142, then you jump up 20-30 lbs from steroids, its gonna take (for argument sake) 3000 calories to maintain that

the bigger your engine gets, the MORE FUEL (FOOD) you will need to keep it running

Hope that makes sense to you and as to WHY we keep preaching DIET, cause without the proper food intake at the proper times, all the steroids in the world aren't gonna help

GOOD LUCK

[organized_konfusion]

That dude needs to go on Dr. Phil, good lord!

[ninesecz]

That dude needs to go on Dr. Phil, good lord!

No Maybe you also need to! you are Both NOOB"s so do not go flaming people for asking honest questions, He had experience where someone close to him gained a lot of weight from steroids and he did not have knowledge to know whay so he came here cause he wants to gain weight cause he is too skinny and unhappy!! At least he had the sense to ask before just taking them which is more than I can saw for some of the people on here! He is actually being snmart about it IMHO!!

[7Steve77]

Edited and warned, another post like that and you're gone.

[G4R]

^^What?

[KatsMeow]

Edited

Are you intoxicated as well?

[KatsMeow]

just one more question i have to ask, so ive read once a fat cell is created it never goes away and once the fat cell is created its hard to keep the weight off (assuming i eat right of course) so with that said and considering my friend who did steriods gained massive amounts of weight in just weeks while not lifting, would it be a bad idea if i did a low dose to get myself up about 15 pounds (while eatting right) as a base for when i start to do it corectly, meaning getting off the steriods (using a pct even with the low dose of course) and then going for the gains naturally b4 i actually get try steriods for real gains....?

You have a lot of research to due, yes it's true that you don't rid yourself of fat cells but they have the ability to shrink or get bigger. And yes it's a bad idea for you to even think about touching any type of AAS until you fully understand the dynamics of diet and exercise and get natural gains.

so hey its a friday night and im chillin at the house alone, had a few drinks tryin 2 drown the life away.......... my situation would be this, im 6'5" tall and just 142 pounds yesssss 6'5" @ 142 pounds been that way my whole life and here i am 2 days after hittin the age of 25.......... ive got a friend who has brain cancer it will probably turn fatal but see he was 6'1" and thin b4 he got it then for his begining treatment right after he was diagnosed with the brain cancer they put him on some sort of steroid and he SERIOUSlY gained about 30-40 pounds in 2 weeks, he didnt work out while on it considerin the circumstances but ever since that point 2.5 years ago i have been overly curious about steroids, now i want to lie and say ive been weight training for the suggested 2-3 years that is site suggests b4 takin roids but i wont bullshit you, i havent. but i will say this, i have went 3 months doing a complete healt freak phase that eliminated all toxins incuding caffeine, i lifted responsibly (meaning not too much not too little) i lifted heavy. i stayed hydrated i did the protein shakes, i did the nitric oxide booster, the creatine and i kept my diet resonably acceptable for a body builder but hmmmm all that work and i gained hardly anything. yeah try and lecture me and say i did something wrong, say my diet is wrong say i didnt lift right, i will scream "bullshit" because im confident i did it to the best of my abilities and with my genetics i am indeed a hard gainer (dont make me remind you of my natural weight vs height stats. So what im asking of this forum is for your advice, i say this is life saving help because its my last stand, I've got the balls to do what it takes reguardless of the consequesnces that may or may not happen and hey my tits can get big or my nuts can shrink but thats the good thing about america i guess, there's sumtin called doctor patient privledge so throw it at me im open to any advice that will add the pounds and not knock my goals (my weight becoming 175lbs) within 6 months (or more) help?

I'm really hoping the the few beers you have had has made your IQ decrease significantly. First of all I work with patients who have cancer, they give patients with brain cancer CORTICO-STERIODS this is to reduce the metastasis of the cancer and to reduce pressure inside of the brain, they are not giving him ANABOLIC steroids...these are two totally different things. And he gained weight with cortico steroids because it significantly increases appetite.