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    REDSTICK69 is offline New Member
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    What im saying is this crap safe without pct, and even if i wanted to take something like pp or sd are those fake aswell cause alot of people think this shit is real!

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    Not sure about you guys over in the States but we have a product called Norateen heavyweight 2 here in the uk by LA Muscle which is decent:
    http://www.creatinestore.co.uk/produ...yweight-2.html

    Other than that we have a few decent tribulus products as things are quite tightly regulated over here.

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    trib sucks donkey balls for boosting T, its been proven time and time again.

    as far as SD or PP if it is the original formulas then they work, they are the real deal and you need both liver protectant and an aggresive PCT with a SERm and an AI, no otc is worth it for recovery IMO.

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    so no, you dont need PCT if it isnt a synthetic testosterone , these are herbal remedies that are supposed to raise your T naturally so there is no "shut down" of the HTPA because you are not introdicing a synthetic substance, rather (as claimed by fadogia) you are increaseing LH which in turn causes a rise in T (supposedly) if thats the case there is no need for PCT, a lot of people use these OTC boosters along with other PCT ancilliries to help out a bit. hope that helps

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    Quote Originally Posted by BITTAPART2 View Post
    SERMS and AIs definatly boost test levels but not by stimulating LH directly,

    clomid directly stimulates LH release. AI's reduce negative estrogenic feedback on the HPGA, which increases LH release.

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