volumise by bsn/ dark matter and dark rage by mhp anyone tried any of these

**powerlifter18** · 03-10-2009, 10:26 PM

i was consdiering buying the fallowing

volumize by bsn

dark rage by mhp

dark matter by mhp

any thoughts has anyone tried any of the above

**Phate** · 03-10-2009, 10:30 PM

Originally Posted by powerlifter18

i was consdiering buying the fallowing

volumize by bsn

dark rage by mhp

dark matter by mhp

any thoughts has anyone tried any of the above

what do you want out of them?

**powerlifter18** · 03-10-2009, 10:32 PM

volumoze in training dark rage post dark matter pre

**GymHero** · 03-10-2009, 10:42 PM

I have been looking into dark matter, I take NO xplode pre and want to try dark matter for my post..... ne1 have any say on this

**Phate** · 03-11-2009, 05:35 AM

i don't know, i make my own pre-workout out of bulk powders, but i'll bump it for ya

**Nooomoto** · 03-11-2009, 11:22 AM

Volumaize by BSN sucks. Pretty worthless product by my favorite brand.

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 03-11-2009, 11:25 AM

Originally Posted by Phate

i don't know, i make my own pre-workout out of bulk powders, but i'll bump it for ya

What is in your pre-workout?

**m33** · 03-11-2009, 11:26 AM

Originally Posted by Phate

i don't know, i make my own pre-workout out of bulk powders, but i'll bump it for ya

What do you all put in your home made bulk pre?

**xlxBigSexyxlx** · 03-11-2009, 11:30 AM

I didn't mean to hijack OP.

But I haven't heard anything good about any of those.

**Phate** · 03-11-2009, 06:21 PM

Originally Posted by xlxBigSexyxlx

What is in your pre-workout?

Originally Posted by m33

What do you all put in your home made bulk pre?

i'm still tweeking it but right now this

10-15g glutamine
10-15g BCAAs
1-1.5g caffeinestart with 200mg, this should be more than enough for most people
3-4g beta alanine
2-3 scoops Buzz Saw(from true protein)
10g creatine monohydrate
10g leucine
5g AAKG

**Reed** · 03-11-2009, 06:33 PM

^^^^^ How in Gods name are you takin 1-1.5 grams of caffeine????

Thats overdose

Make sure people know that... anything from 150-400mg is strong. I go on and off but pretty much stay taking just 200mg before workouts and from 2 years doing this to this day that makes me buzz

other than that maybe ditch that glutamine (save $$) and your G2G

**Phate** · 03-11-2009, 06:49 PM

Originally Posted by Reed

^^^^^ How in Gods name are you takin 1-1.5 grams of caffeine????

Thats overdose

Make sure people know that... anything from 150-400mg is strong. I go on and off but pretty much stay taking just 200mg before workouts and from 2 years doing this to this day that makes me buzz

other than that maybe ditch that glutamine (save $$) and your G2G

probably should have put a notation in there about that, i have a natural tolerance to almost all stimulants, i'm at a loss to explain why, as is my father who's an M.D., he says he's never seen or heard of anything like it, i''m even tolerant of most painkillers

i add the glutamine because of a study i read that mentioned something about glutamine increasing GH levels when used in pre-workout i believe, i'm gonna have to go look at it again