Caffeine bad... Really?

[n00bs]

CAFFEINE KILLS
Okay, I know this article won't be popular. Most of us are so addicted to Caffeine that we don't want to know about it. I am writing this because when "Caffeine Blues" came out I just knew I had to read it. Several years ago I began to realise that coffee was much worse than we had been told, because I noticed that I got an arthritic pain in my wrist within ten to twenty minutes of a cappucino!

This book didn't just tell me how bad coffee was - it told me how GOOD I would feel once I was totally caffeine free for two months. Somehow, this book sold me on giving it a try. And it was right! For example, I no longer have the drained feeling that I sometimes used to get in the mornings.

This is one of the best health books I have ever read. It is written by Stephen Cherniske who is a Clinical Nutritionist. "Caffeine Blues" is incredibly easy to read, and convincing. After reading it I realized that caffeine does NOT give us energy. In fact, it is a major CAUSE of LACK of energy.However, he explains that this drug is so powerful that one needs to go for three weeks to two months without any caffeine before one notices the difference. And how many of us have ever done that? Hardly anyone.

Caffeine is also a major cause of heart attacks and cancer.

As Cherniske waded through the tons of information on caffeine, he began to see that consciously or unconsciously nearly every researcher starts from the assumption that caffeine is okay. Why? Probably because they themselves depended on caffeine.
Caffeine is in coffee, black tea, green tea, oolong tea (wu-yi tea), 'decaffeinated' coffee and tea, chocolate, colas, chuppa-chups, many sodas, some drugs, most 'energy' drinks and guarana.


A 6 oz cup of:
Percolated coffee has about 120 mg of caffeine
Black tea has about 70 mg of caffeine
Green tea about 35 mg of caffeine
Leading colas 45 mg of caffeine
Mountain dew 54 mg of caffeine
Brewed decaf has 5 mg of caffeine
Milk chocolate has 6 mg per ounce
Baking chocolate has 35 mg per ounce.
Caffeine is produced by more than eighty species of plants. The reason may well be survival. As it turns out, caffeine is a biological poison used by plants as a pesticide.

Caffeine is considered harmless simply because it is so widely used. Dr William Dement in his book "The Promise of Sleep" said that if caffeine was introduced today, it would not be allowed.

There is a brochure available in hospitals and other medical related areas: "What you should know about caffeine" published by the International Food Information Council (IFIC) in Washington DC. After many phone calls Cherniske finally got a list of 'supporters' of the IFIC. The list included Pepsi, Coca-Cola, M&M, Nutrasweet, Nestle and Hershey - all of whom have caffeine in their drinks and foods. 'Partners' of the IFIC included groups such as the National Association of Pediatric Nurses and the Children's Advertising Review Unit of the Council of Better Business Bureau Inc. This brochure says that "Caffeine is normally excreted within several hours after consumption". In fact, only 1% is excreted. The remaining 99% has to be detoxified by the liver.

It can take up to 12 hours to detoxify a single cup of coffee.
Many studies regarding coffee and hypertension were flawed, because the test studies came off coffee for only one or two weeks. It takes many more weeks than this for stress hormone levels of the body to return to normal.

The 'half-life' of a drug is the time it takes the body to remove one half of the dose. Caffeine is a drug. The half-life of a single dose of caffeine ranges from three to TWELVE hours.

Caffeine puts your body into stress. A single 250 milligram dose of caffeine (the equivalent of about 2.5 six ounce cups of coffee) has been shown to increase levels of the stress hormone epinephrine (adrenaline) by over 200%.

Caffeine triggers a classic fight-or-flight reaction. The fight-or-flight response was designed for events that happened only occasionally (such as a lion chasing you). Now, we put our body in fight-or-flight every day with caffeine!!! Since we are in society, we don't respond in a fight-or-flight way. Instead, other things may happen. For example, sugar and fat get dumped unused in the bloodstream. The sugar creates more stress. The fat clogs the arteries. The digestive system slows or shuts down.
Not only is caffeine addictive, it also encourages other addictions to substances like nicotine.

Caffeine does not give you energy. It stimulates your nervous system and adrenals. That's not energy, that's stress. Imagine going to a bank for a loan. The loan officer agrees to your loan. But as you leave the bank you notice the fine print - the loan has to be repaid at 75% interest! The 'energy' that you think you get from caffeine is really just a loan from the adrenals and liver, and the interest you have to pay is very high.

Stress is a major factor in disorders such as anxiety, insomnia, depression, ulcers, rheumatoid arthritis, headache, hypoglycemia, asthma, herpes, hypertension and heart disease. And yet hospitals provide coffee and tea, which put your body into stress!!!

DHEA is our vitality hormone. Decreased levels of DHEA is a cause of aging. Caffeine consumption leads to DHEA deficiency. Caffeine is an AGING DRUG!
Caffeine lowers the stress threshold in virtually everyone. That is, if you have had caffeine, it will be easier for you to suffer from emotional stress or other stress. (Therefore, when research is done that is designed to show how safe caffeine is, any test subject who is under significant stress is removed from the study).
Caffeine is implicated in ulcers and irritable bowel syndrome: GABA is produced in the intestinal tract, where it calms anxiety and stress. Caffeine disrupts the normal metabolism of GABA.

Caffeine disrupts sleep. Deep sleep is CRITICAL to good health. When there's caffeine in your bloodstream, you are unlikely to experience deep sleep at all!
Caffeine AT ANY TIME of the day can cause sleep problems, especially if you are under stress.

Malnutrition is one of the most well-defined effects of habitual caffeine intake.
A single cup of coffee can reduce iron absorption from a meal by as much as 75%.
People do not develop a tolerance to the anxiety-producing effects of caffeine. Rather, people simply become accustomed to the feelings of stress, irritability and aggressiveness produced by the drug.

Caffeine contributes to depression in well-defined ways. This is particularly due to the withdrawal effect, which can cause headache, depression and fatigue, even in light users (p. 111). Cherniske reported that 90% of people who came to him who suffered from depression and gave up caffeine completely for 2 months reported that their depression went away!

If you are a coffee (or tea or cola) drinker, you may be thinking, "Well, I drink coffee and I'm not depressed." It's necessary to state that everyone is different, and also that depression can be subtle. Throughout the book, Cherniske suggests that you will never know the full effect the drug is having on you until you experience what life is like caffeine free (which takes two months to do). Over the years, Cherniske has heard similar responses from hundreds of clients: "Wow, I never realized that caffeine made me so (select one: anxious, depressed, irritable)."

Students the world over use caffeine not only to stay awake, but also they believe the drug will improve their performance on exams. Solid research, however, illustrates that as little as 100 milligrams of caffeine (one cup of coffee, two cups of cola) can cause a significant DECREASE in recall and reasoning.

When people are relaxed and given caffeine, caffeine does not raise blood pressure significantly. But how many people are relaxed? When people are stressed and given caffeine, blood pressure is raised significantly.

Women who consume more than 24 ounces of coffee (6 moderate cups) per day had almost twice the risk of heart attack compared to non-coffee drinkers. Moderate coffee drinkers with high cholesterol had more than seven times the risk of heart attack, while heavy coffee drinkers had eighteen times the risk of non-coffee drinkers!

Caffeine depletes your supplies of thiamin and other B vitamins, calcium, magnesium, potassium, iron and zinc.

Caffeine increases calcium loss and risk of osteoporosis.

In one large study, the risk for hip fracture for those women who consumed the most caffeine was 300% greater than it was for the group that consumed little or no caffeine.

Take the Challenge! Most people have no idea what life would be like without the background of caffeine and stress hormones coursing through their veins. Even if you're only having a few cups a coffee, chances are your personality is affected in ways that may be too subtle for you to associate with caffeine. I want to encourage you to conduct a trial period without caffeine. You owe it to yourself. And your family. It could save your life.

Don't' go 'cold turkey'. To avoid headaches etc. when giving up caffeine, Cherniske recommends taking up to six weeks to come off it. Drink the same NUMBER of cups, but each week reduce the strength or amount in each cup.

There is lots more information in this very easy-to-read and highly interesting book. 440 pages. Read this book and you won't need to spend so much on supplements!

UPDATES:
I have been truly amazed at the high number of 'scientific studies' that have come out since the publication of "Caffeine Blues" which supposedly show how chocolate and even coffee is good for us. I guess the chocolate / soda / coffee industry felt threatened enough that they had to pour money in to solve this new 'problem' of theirs.

As I read each study, I am reminded of the most memorable day during my Bachelor of Science degree at Sydney Universtiy. Professor Tony Underwood told our 3rd year Zoology class to get out one of our text books, and turn to a page which had a particular scientific study on it. He asked us, what had that study proven?

We gave the standard answers. But then the professor got all fired up and said, "No!". He explained how every scientific paper is set up to prove a particular point of view. But the truth is usually that you have to look at a particular problem from all angles. There were many, many other possiblities as to the truth of that study.

The same with these new 'studies' which appear to support caffeine. When you look closely, they will NOT say that caffeine enhances your health and long-term wellbeing. They will say something like a particular part of chocolate is good for you, but not all of chocolate, or that coffee helps reduce some particular kind of cancer - presumably because the person will be likely to get some other disease first instead. And they will ignore any other symptoms that may appear, especially long-term ones.
Remember, caffeine is an AGING DRUG.

Based on a book called Caffeine Blues which was written by clinical nutritionist Stephen Cherniske.

From my studies, caffeine has been shown to decrease insulin sensetivity in already healthy people by about 15%. People dont usually believe me when i tell them this... Thats fine i prefer to go on facts. http://care.diabetesjournals.org/con...761b90a3a66b03

Caffeine also interupts s4 sleep... and has the ability to lower growth hormone . As we know cortisol disrupts GH out put.. Caffeine is a stimulant increasing norepinephrine by up to 500%.

Remember that when the adrenals are busy pumping out adrenalin and cortisol the hormonal pathways shifts from DHEA a precurrsor to androgens. People take DHEA in anti aging however caffeine decreases DHEA levels...
This can have negative effects on the immune system.

Eventually this leads to adrenal fatique the adrenals are sucker pucnched for energy then cant keep up with demand so you end up "needing" another coffee for another kick. The reason people feel like they need coffee first thing in the morning is that like i said there sleep has been disrupted and we know repair occurs in different stages of sleep.

Caffeine also depletes melatonnin in the body, a potent antioxidant released by the pineal gland created from serotonin. We know melatonin is responsible in some way for the sleep awake cycle in humans and animals.. Another way to mess with your sleep.

Caffeine also blocks gaba receptors in the brain (another one for growth hormone as gaba has the ability to sitmulate GH release from the anterior pituitary). This leads to that Anxious feeling.. As gaba is basically our natural vlaium..

At the end of the day we have to realise caffeine is a drug it is not natural to the human body and we were not designed to ingest it... Caffeine is actually a phytochemical designed there to protect plants from bugs by killing them (scary huh?).

People feel they need caffeine.. People also feel they ned ciggarettes. I challenge every one of you to get educated and realise that if you feel like shit there is a reason for it... And that caffine hit today is the reason you need another one tomorrow...

Sleep long, eat properly take some dam b complex vitmains and you will have all the power and energy you require... Caffeine is a band aid to a problem. That doesnt have to be a problem to start with.


n00bs

[stevey_6t9]

bah i dont care lol

im a drug dosed zombie half the time anyway

[n00bs]

You should care.. You only have 1 chance at life my friend...

[gym_junki]

fvk i have f coffies a day somtimes more lol time to cut down good post mate

[n00bs]

Just here to adovacte...

its no wonder uspplement makers and coca cola, pepsi have caffeine in products.. The shit is ridiculously addictive and it keeps you coming back wanting more and more... Then it creates a physical demand as your adrenals pack in...

Sounds like tobacco all over again doesnt it...

Also supplement makers want things that "people feel" beta alanine (i have no problem with) and caffeine are about it... So you take 3 scoops of reanabolimextremehecticniticoxidepump and feel something so you feel vlaue.. Who the **** feels branched chain amino acids doing anything?

Someone has to say something thats so blatently obvious when you look into it...

"yes but it increases performance" - well thats negligible and their is evidence o nboth sides of the fence..

But then again cocaine might increase performance as well maybe we should down that? Pre workout?

We all need to be more educated about what we put in our bodies.... Testosterone is far better for you then caffeine..

[danimal79]

something interesting here. last year i started experiencing eye irritation anytime i looked at a computer or tv screen. at first i thought it was the add meds i was taking (dexedrine), but it turned out to be due to caffeine. at the time i was drinking about 8 cups of green tea a day. as soon as i stopped drinking green tea, the issue went away.

[crf450x]

great post!

[Vettester]

nOObs, as stated above, this is indeed a "great post."

Interesting stuff about the DHEA reductions, along with other various adverse effects caused by it. On the melatonin, I've read studies that this hormone usually decreases in our 20's and throughout life. I wonder if that's just a biological process or if there might be a correlation with caffeine?

Starting to see some good things with the Niacin/Vitamin C combo you suggested in my thread. Challenge accepted, I'll take all the education you and others can dish out ... Keep it coming!

[bigslick7878]

Good thing I take in 0.0mg of caffeine a day.

[slimshady01]

Great now i want to quit my EC stack

[zaggahamma]

subscribed

but scared

[Mr.Rose]

There are no true studies on this subject and everything is pure speculation. The studies you refer to test people that are not 'regular' users of caffeine, or only use minute amounts regularly. People who have used caffeine for years do not show the negative affects you described above.

Can you please post studies/references to every statement you made? Because i bet i can find you a conflicting study.

Caffeine may be a natural insecticide, but it does NOTHING of the sort to the human body or any other animal. Off the top of my head i think the only species to negatively be affected by it is spiders.

[ProEvoDanny]

Yeah i dont drink coffee anymore and no caffienated supplements.. its wears you down

[n00bs]

There are no true studies on this subject and everything is pure speculation. The studies you refer to test people that are not 'regular' users of caffeine, or only use minute amounts regularly. People who have used caffeine for years do not show the negative affects you described above.

Can you please post studies/references to every statement you made? Because i bet i can find you a conflicting study.

Caffeine may be a natural insecticide, but it does NOTHING of the sort to the human body or any other animal. Off the top of my head i think the only species to negatively be affected by it is spiders.

No true studies? Says who... Only one who has not looked...

Heres 1 that ill post simply because it is saved as a reference for a paper i wrote....

Im not going to get into a tit for tat... The evidence is there but you can believe what you want.

You probably can find a conflicting study to every study ever designed... So what does that tell us?

Look into real world practice, things like adrenal fatique/insufficiency... How caffeine effects hormones and how those hormones effect sleep ect ect.

Anyway what got me interested was my adrenal insufficiency... I bought this book, then followed and checked the references given for certain topics and it checked out...

You would be amazed...

But no i am not going to get into a reference slaming match with you because it isnt a dick swinging contest and it serves no point.




Caffeine Can Decrease Insulin Sensitivity in Humans
Gerben B. Keijzers, MD1, Bastiaan E. De Galan, MD1, Cees J. Tack, MD1 and Paul Smits, MD12

The major finding of our study is that caffeine, in a dose that equals moderate consumption, decreased insulin sensitivity in healthy volunteers

http://care.diabetesjournals.org/con...761b90a3a66b03

[stevey_6t9]

insulin resistance wont apply to me, i have tons of metformin

[F4iGuy]

Agree w/noobs. I don't consume caffiene, at all. You may 'feel' a little more 'energy' but its bs. I track my numbers in the gym every day and guess what i found after supplementing w/caffiene? NOTHING, no extra reps from all that 'energy' lol. I'm sure the supplement companies will tell you I'm a 'non responder' lol. What a bunch of bs.

[danimal79]

Agree w/noobs. I don't consume caffiene, at all. You may 'feel' a little more 'energy' but its bs. I track my numbers in the gym every day and guess what i found after supplementing w/caffiene? NOTHING, no extra reps from all that 'energy' lol. I'm sure the supplement companies will tell you I'm a 'non responder' lol. What a bunch of bs.

well i take the energy-booster to get me going. some days i don't feel like working out, so the caffeine kinda pushes me into the gym. once i get my first couple sets in, the rest of me takes over.

[bigslick7878]

I will take 1/4 of a 200mg pill before my morning cardio maybe 3x a week and that's it. It definitely gets the heart rate going and by the end of my cardio I am pouring out sweat.

But the effects are pretty minimal.

[Dukkit]

f that

ive done way worse drugs then caffeine... guess what.. ive gotten 8 or so full check up since i stopped doing drugs... and im fine.

plus.. your on a steroid forum... where steroids also have many negative affects to ppls health

so obviously we dont give 2 poops. half of us are addicts in some way anyways (women, gear, drugs, alcohol, food)

im gonna pop my 400mg caffeine pill in about 30 mins then go to the gym

and im gonna kill it.

nuff said

[stevey_6t9]

the whore has spoken

[n00bs]

f that

ive done way worse drugs then caffeine... guess what.. ive gotten 8 or so full check up since i stopped doing drugs... and im fine.

plus.. your on a steroid forum... where steroids also have many negative affects to ppls health

so obviously we dont give 2 poops. half of us are addicts in some way anyways (women, gear, drugs, alcohol, food)

im gonna pop my 400mg caffeine pill in about 30 mins then go to the gym

and im gonna kill it.

nuff said

Im sorry 'check ups' done show cellular health, neurotransmitter levels, oxidative damage "fine" means your FBC LFT and whatever other tests are run are 'within range'. That does not = healthy.

If you dont care about your health thats for you to decide obviously you watch what you eat so you care in some way (although it may be 100% purley for body image). Some people do however care.

There is nothing wrong with sharing infomation on subjects if you dont like it dont do it its that simple. But the infomation will still be available at least for people who do happen to care...

I am here, i care about health... Im sure there are others.

[shortybrolick]

Im addicted @_@

[dec11]

i used to drink around 5 mugs per day, i cut this to one eod, in the morn, and felt less stressed than i had been for quite a while

[mario_ps2]

f that

ive done way worse drugs then caffeine... guess what.. ive gotten 8 or so full check up since i stopped doing drugs... and im fine.

plus.. your on a steroid forum... where steroids also have many negative affects to ppls health

so obviously we dont give 2 poops. half of us are addicts in some way anyways (women, gear, drugs, alcohol, food)

im gonna pop my 400mg caffeine pill in about 30 mins then go to the gym

and im gonna kill it.

nuff said

The Irony... Thanks for the article but I will just keep drinking my coffee and hopefully my anabolic drugs won't cause any long term health probrem.

[n00bs]

Funny, I thought sleep, recovery, and optimal hormones were imporant to people here...

I stand corrected.

[zaggahamma]

Funny, I thought sleep, recovery, and optimal hormones were imporant to people here...

I stand corrected.

i think your post is 50/50 so post up what you got...rarely will you make EVERYONE happy...plus your telling people to kick a pretty addictive drug...like stated above...good post....always gonna be two sides to a debate...

i actually had recently started drinking all iced coffee cuz of the heat and i think i messed up my digestion a little i THINK maybe because the hot coffee was aiding i dunno but i just switched to tea twice a day because i got used to drinking the coffee with flavored cream and thats just ridiculous..
hopefully i didnt go too far off topic

[bigslick7878]

f that

ive done way worse drugs then caffeine... guess what.. ive gotten 8 or so full check up since i stopped doing drugs... and im fine.

plus.. your on a steroid forum... where steroids also have many negative affects to ppls health

so obviously we dont give 2 poops. half of us are addicts in some way anyways (women, gear, drugs, alcohol, food)

im gonna pop my 400mg caffeine pill in about 30 mins then go to the gym

and im gonna kill it.

nuff said

400 mg????

I think I would throw up if I took that much at once.

[danimal79]

i think your post is 50/50 so post up what you got...rarely will you make EVERYONE happy...plus your telling people to kick a pretty addictive drug...like stated above...good post....always gonna be two sides to a debate...

exactly. every drug has it's positives and negatives. the argument of caffeine causing minor sleep issues (and they are MINOR unless you're a total junkie or consume it too late in the day) can be negated by the fact that most people wouldn't be training as hard without caffeine.

shit...i've personally had many days where i was tired enough to skip a workout, but after downing some caffeine, i was able to force myself into the gym.

i honestly believe moderation is the key to a healthy body, and solid physique. whatever you take, shoot, eat, or drink to get there, just don't abuse it and (most of the time) you'll be fine.

[sprinter911]

I've read the original post by n00bs about 4 times. Great info and it's concerning. That being said, I have a cup when I get up every morning before I get started with my day. A ritual probably. I don't even think it wakes me up anymore. On weekends i have a cup very early in the A.M. and sometimes fall right back to sleep. Pointless I guess. Good thread n00bs.

[zaggahamma]

I've read the original post by n00bs about 4 times. Great info and it's concerning. That being said, I have a cup when I get up every morning before I get started with my day. A ritual probably. I don't even think it wakes me up anymore. On weekends i have a cup very early in the A.M. and sometimes fall right back to sleep. Pointless I guess. Good thread n00bs.

funny that you say that....might be easy to sleep with the coffee but seriously take that monday cup away

[Bryan2]

Sorry buddy but if you wrote this maybe try to stay away from the MASSIVE sensationalism tactic in the writers future articles...


I can tie ANYTHING using the same logic and get the point across the same way.

I saw HERPES referenced in there even LOL
I could also tie in elderly women with osteoperosis and the potential for falling and breaking there hips as well

It really seems like your trying to LOOK for negative things to tie to support the view


There is next to zero factual basis in tieing depression, irritable bowel syndrome, lowered DHEA levels and decreased ability to study to caffiene.

STRESS is caused by many many things but there is no evidence to tie caffiene as a root cause.

Sorry but this article is a little silly

[n00bs]

Sorry buddy but if you wrote this maybe try to stay away from the MASSIVE sensationalism tactic in the writers future articles...


I can tie ANYTHING using the same logic and get the point across the same way.

I saw HERPES referenced in there even LOL
I could also tie in elderly women with osteoperosis and the potential for falling and breaking there hips as well

It really seems like your trying to LOOK for negative things to tie to support the view


There is next to zero factual basis in tieing depression, irritable bowel syndrome, lowered DHEA levels and decreased ability to study to caffiene.

STRESS is caused by many many things but there is no evidence to tie caffiene as a root cause.

Sorry but this article is a little silly

Im sorry but you could not be more wrong.

For starters there are specific examples on studying under caffeines effects.

So i dont know why or how you even thought that, maybe you didnt find the article on google scholar so you came to that conclusion.

[Bryan2]

Well yeah obviously. I mean when im depressed and I go to the doctor they say stop drinking coffee and your cured.

And if someone has low DHEA levels if you stop drinking coffee your levels will return to normal right away.....

And if you an old women with osteoperosis and fall you wont break your hip if you dont drink coffee

And if you stop drinking coffee you will NEVER be stressed......


You see where im going with the overall theme, I can tie anything with a study or research to prove a point but the simple matter of fact is if caffeine was the actual cause of these things than discontinuing them would solve 100% of the issues.

You wouldn't see mixed data and the way the article is written is just trying to lead the audience into all of these stress triggers to try and prove your underlying point.

The simple matter of fact is all the points listed have an incredible number of contributing factors which cannot EVER be linked to directly to caffeine.

Im not debating your overall point that extended caffeine use is deff not good for your body and does in fact stress the adrenal system.

Just the sensationalism used to try bring your points out

[danimal79]

sometimes the delivery screws up the message. i get where the op is coming from. simply put however, the "mixed data" (as mentioned above) is why i don't get caught up definitive stances.

very few things in this world are 100%, and regarding health/fitness, almost nothing is. so the only SAFE bet when you're dealing with such a narrow margin between good/bad, is MODERATION.

an example of this would be the whole "fat/carb cutting" mentality. back in the days, everyone thought "fat" made you fat. so a bunch of "professionals" advised everyone to cut fat from their diets. then they say that it's only "certain fats" that cause you to get fat, and that carbs are the real culprit. after that, it's only "certain carbs" that cause you to get fat, and blah blah blah.

so what does this mean? all of the "smart people" who followed the advice of the "professionals" were in fact, not getting optimal results. whereas if they would have just consumed everything in moderation, they probably would have been better off. to sum it up...the devil is in the details. moderation, people. moderation.

[sprinter911]

funny that you say that....might be easy to sleep with the coffee but seriously take that monday cup away

Jpk, your post goes unopposed. Good point. Take away the Monday morning cup and there's going to be one cranky mother trucker heading in to work.

--Sprint

[zaggahamma]

Jpk, your post goes unopposed. Good point. Take away the Monday morning cup and there's going to be one cranky mother trucker heading in to work.

--Sprint

for some reason i knew you would agree

[OH REALLY]

http://men.webmd.com/features/coffee-new-health-food

just wondering if the book mentioned any benefits from caffeine

[n00bs]

Well yeah obviously. I mean when im depressed and I go to the doctor they say stop drinking coffee and your cured.

And if someone has low DHEA levels if you stop drinking coffee your levels will return to normal right away.....

And if you an old women with osteoperosis and fall you wont break your hip if you dont drink coffee

And if you stop drinking coffee you will NEVER be stressed......


You see where im going with the overall theme, I can tie anything with a study or research to prove a point but the simple matter of fact is if caffeine was the actual cause of these things than discontinuing them would solve 100% of the issues.

You wouldn't see mixed data and the way the article is written is just trying to lead the audience into all of these stress triggers to try and prove your underlying point.

The simple matter of fact is all the points listed have an incredible number of contributing factors which cannot EVER be linked to directly to caffeine.

Im not debating your overall point that extended caffeine use is deff not good for your body and does in fact stress the adrenal system.

Just the sensationalism used to try bring your points out

You mention drs who practice pharmacology not healing.

So he would give you an antidepressant to fix you.

Much better.

Normal dr's know nothing of healing or health if you look to them to tell you something is healthy or safe you are looking in the wrong direction.

[n00bs]

http://men.webmd.com/features/coffee-new-health-food

just wondering if the book mentioned any benefits from caffeine

Hilarious.

Whats funny is people with no prior research find this crap and use it as an argument.

[OH REALLY]

Hilarious.

Whats funny is people with no prior research find this crap and use it as an argument.

The funny thing is people will buy a book and believe every thing inside it, why because its in a book, every ones trying to make a dollar, same thing here...
I'm not saying that coffee may or may not be bad for us, I'm just saying i don't believe every thing i read..Theres pros and cons to every thing in life..
My last post was a question that was not answered..