is ther any supplemt thats not bullshit ??????

[chris1]

i am looking at lots of diffrent supplement ie cyclone ect does any 1 actuly know if any off these work and give you good gain or is it bullshit thats why i keep goin back to looking at steroids any 1 got anything cheers

[HawaiianPride.]

According to your profile stats (unless they are outdated) not sure if you are ready for steroids yet. Confirm your current stats if you don't mind.

[chris1]

i am only looking at steroids at a last resord i have took steroids before and reget it as i knw i was not ready. i am looking if there is a suppliment that will help me like cyclone or something like that. i am 5ft10 and 11 and a half stone 2 and a half years training any advice much appreciated

[HawaiianPride.]

At 11.5 stones & 5'10 I personally think you can add a little more weight naturally. In addition, try spending a couple more years in the gym and pay attention to your diet and training methods. Guaranteed you'll reach your goals without the drugs for now.

[chris1]

i know that i train hard alway cheak my diet never eat too much as i used to be over weight and worked hard too lose it and dont want to get fat again. i am looking to see if cyclone or other supplement like that will help me gain size and mucle with out looking at steroids because of my last side effect and the harm they can do just that i can get hold of them easy would rather some supplement to help rather than them

[HawaiianPride.]

Either way bro, 2 years in the gym just isn't enough time to be jumping on any PH or injectable AAS. This is the main reason why I suggest you spend more time in the gym to allow more quality growth and experience under your belt.

Steroid IMO should only be utilized with individuals who have had a considerable amount of experience behind their belt. This will give them time to utilize different nutritional programs and training methods they could very well bring you closer to your goals that you thought, that's all.

Furthermore, bloat can be remedied on virtually any anabolic out there. So don't be afraid of running Test and turning into a balloon. Use proper medication and diet to lessen this particular side effect.

[chris1]

i am looking for a supplemnt like cyclone or something along they line that will actuliy give me gains and are not a waste of money any 1 knw any that are not ass

[V-ROID]

Creatine?

[chris1]

i knw creatine help but am looking to see if there is an all in 1 that is worth the monet there is that much diffrent stuff on the net you dont know what to beleve

[LBSOMEIRON]

Food is the best supplement you will find.

Trust me.

[juicyjayjay]

definitely focus nutrition, proper training and rest. supplements are all just a scam in my honest opinion.

[senorsalt]

food AND roids IMO

[LBSOMEIRON]

food AND roids IMO

I hope you didn't reproduce.

[HawaiianPride.]

food AND roids IMO

Fail.

[Swifto]

Get a good milk protein supplement (whey/casein), or just a whey isolate.

BCAA's and Leucine is also good.

Creatine Monohydrate, Beta-Alanine.

"Cyclone" is nothing but overpriced garbage full of sweeteners and additives by Maximulsce.

www. bulk powders .co. uk is where I get my supps. in the UK.

[LBSOMEIRON]

Get a good milk protein supplement (whey/casein), or just a whey isolate.

BCAA's and Leucine is also good.

Creatine Monohydrate, Beta-Alanine.

"Cyclone" is nothing but overpriced garbage full of sweeteners and additives by Maximulsce.

www. bulk powders .co. uk is where I get my supps. in the UK.

Speaking of overpriced garbage...see bold

[Swifto]

Speaking of overpriced garbage...see bold

You think the most studied single compound in sports science and sports nutrition is "over priced garbage"?

Please tell me you didnt mean to say that...

[Sicko]

I look forward to the links that get posted as reference to back up you guys debates..Opinions only speak so loud but studies help me to make educated decisions..

[LBSOMEIRON]

Maybe a better preface was for ME, it failed. I felt like piss while taking it and it made me swell like a friggn balloon. There are better creatine products on the market for the money....

[l2elapse]

Get a good milk protein supplement (whey/casein), or just a whey isolate.

BCAA's and Leucine is also good.

Creatine Monohydrate, Beta-Alanine.

"Cyclone" is nothing but overpriced garbage full of sweeteners and additives by Maximulsce.

www. bulk powders .co. uk is where I get my supps. in the UK.

never failed me.

[LBSOMEIRON]

I'm ok with that....BCAAS I live and die by, but Monohydrate was the devil for me. It's the sole reason I had to stop taking Jack3d (which I think is the best product on the market) - bloated me to the point of no return. I am fine with every other form of creatine, but the mono was just bad news for me. I also have read studies that it has a 10% absorption rate compared to Kre-Alkalyn.

If it works for you, by all means -

[Swifto]

I'm ok with that....BCAAS I live and die by, but Monohydrate was the devil for me. It's the sole reason I had to stop taking Jack3d (which I think is the best product on the market) - bloated me to the point of no return. I am fine with every other form of creatine, but the mono was just bad news for me. I also have read studies that it has a 10% absorption rate compared to Kre-Alkalyn.

If it works for you, by all means -

Ethyl Ester is garbage, but there are other forms of creatine available, yes.

Creatine absorption rate is good alone and better with carbs mate. Its no where near "10%", though. Never seen any data like that.

Post away if you have the references.

[LBSOMEIRON]

I've read on more than one occasion that it's absorption rate is 'around' 10%, mate.

I'm fine with saying it's 'poor', which is obvious by the side effect many experience.

There are better choices than mono. End.

I'll look around when I get some free time to waste.

[Swifto]

I've read on more than one occasion that it's absorption rate is 'around' 10%, mate.

I'm fine with saying it's 'poor', which is obvious by the side effect many experience.

There are better choices than mono. End.

I'll look around when I get some free time to waste.

I'd like to see them.

Poor or not, the stuff works and has more backing than ANYTHING out there in the way of supplements effectiveness (peer-reviewed data).

[Swifto]

CM will undergo absorbtion, transportation and metabolism without CHO, but in groups given CM with 93g CHO the CM uptake was 60% better. To put it simply.


Am J Physiol. 1996 Nov;271(5 Pt 1):E821-6.

Carbohydrate ingestion augments skeletal muscle creatine accumulation during creatine supplementation in humans.

Green AL, Hultman E, Macdonald IA, Sewell DA, Greenhaff PL.

Department of Physiology and Pharmacology, University Medical School, Queen's Medical Center, Nottingham, United Kingdom.

Abstract

This study investigated the effect of carbohydrate (CHO) ingestion on skeletal muscle creatine (Cr) accumulation during Cr supplementation in humans. Muscle biopsy, urine, and plasma samples were obtained from 24 males before and after ingesting 5 g Cr in solution (group A) or 5 g Cr followed, 30 min later, by 93 g simple CHO in solution (group B) four times each day for 5 days. Supplementation resulted in an increase in muscle phosphocreatine (PCr), Cr, and total creatine (TCr; sum of PCr and Cr) concentration in groups A and B, but the increase in TCr in group B was 60% greater than in group A (P < 0.01). There was also a corresponding decrease in urinary Cr excretion in group B (P < 0.001). Creatine supplementation had no effect on serum insulin concentration, but Cr and CHO ingestion dramatically elevated insulin concentration (P < 0.001). These findings demonstrate that CHO ingestion substantially augments muscle Cr accumulation during Cr feeding in humans, which appears to be insulin mediated.

PMID: 8944667 [PubMed - indexed for MEDLINE]

[Sicko]

so if 93g of CHO 30 minutes after 5g of CR is showing 60% apsorbtion,how would one transfer that into a BB daily routine?
Or is 4 times a day ideal.. 20g CR to 372g CHO-daily intake.

[Swifto]

I take 5g in the AM, then 5g PWO. I add carbs raning from dextrose to oats. It depends on my goals. But the general rule is to consume CM WITH carbs.

On non-WO days, 5g in the AM.

Dont over analyse.

[baseline_9]

Get a good milk protein supplement (whey/casein), or just a whey isolate.

BCAA's and Leucine is also good.

Creatine Monohydrate, Beta-Alanine.

"Cyclone" is nothing but overpriced garbage full of sweeteners and additives by Maximulsce.

www. bulk powders .co. uk is where I get my supps. in the UK.

Looks like we shop at the same place swifto

Take note any UK guys....

Why pay for a product when you could pay for the ingredients from these guys

[bmor]

What is a good US equivalent site?

[Sicko]

Right... thanks..just checkin out your protien source,looks pretty cheap and straight up..
Have you tried the powdered egg whites from BP ?

[dec11]

creatine, hmb, bcaa, zma. these all gave me notable results when i lifted naturally