Preworkout 'pump' supplement - need suggestions

[basketballfan22]

Just placed my order. All from brands I've used before, so hopefully they're decent. I got:

NOW L-Arginine tabs - 1g per tab, 120 tabs ($10)
NOW L-Citrulline caps - 750mg per cap, 180 caps ($25) - couldn't find malate with any brand however

Thanks for the help guys.

If you don't mind a powder, here is a link to the citrulline malate that I plan on getting (thank you austinite for this website).

Citrulline Malate Powder - 180 grams

[Zodiac82]

First time hearing cit over arg, although might have been said before. But issue is arg is usually dosed higher out of the two, at least with my products. Always done the opposite :/, gonna try it this way. But main reason I'm here now is that can you explain why you would "never" go over the amounts you gave there?

I agree. And I don't see why aside from the simple marketing fact that more people are aware of Arginine than they are of Citrulline. So it makes for an easier sale.

I wouldnt go over those amounts because I've done it, and that's where nausea begins.

yeh citrulline is far superior than arginine....but I think the main "problem" in ppl not knowing...is I believe its cheaper for the u
supp companies to use arginine....thats why u rarely see citrulline on the back of products over arginine....

at least that was the case a few years back(3-4)....maybe now they're starting to put it in there

dont forget the agamatine either

-Release the Kracken!!!-

[ImSore]

definitely agree with citrulline, the arganine is only good in akg formfor increased bioavailability. citrulline is the "finished product" of arginine. citrulline will run through your system fairly quickly though so stacking it with arginine is a good idea to try to sustain the process. now if you want a BIG pump. I strongly strongly suggest getting some bulk L NORVALINE. l norvaline is said to increase the threshold amount of nitric oxide production. and hot diggity dog, even cheap pre workouts I've taken with l norvaline in it give me the biggest pumps I've ever had. if I remember correctly I believe it only takes 250mg of it per dose. stack it with austinites 3/2g citrulline/arg and a crap load of vitamin e so you don't look like a zebra after the first week of use

[austinite]

definitely agree with citrulline, the arganine is only good in akg formfor increased bioavailability. citrulline is the "finished product" of arginine. citrulline will run through your system fairly quickly though so stacking it with arginine is a good idea to try to sustain the process. now if you want a BIG pump. I strongly strongly suggest getting some bulk L NORVALINE. l norvaline is said to increase the threshold amount of nitric oxide production. and hot diggity dog, even cheap pre workouts I've taken with l norvaline in it give me the biggest pumps I've ever had. if I remember correctly I believe it only takes 250mg of it per dose. stack it with austinites 3/2g citrulline/arg and a crap load of vitamin e so you don't look like a zebra after the first week of use

I looked into Norva. If used with arginine and/or citrulline, it needs to be a very low dose. It can cause ammonia to accumulate in blood. Unfortunetaly low doses arent effective. That's one of the reasons I never used it

[Dpyle]

Just dropped $30 on 50g arginine and 30g citrulline. Holy crap that was pricey! Got these just to assess this combo, but found a bulk supplier through amazon and 500g each is around $70 before shipping. So if the trial goes well that will be the road I travel.

[austinite]

Just dropped $30 on 50g arginine and 30g citrulline. Holy crap that was pricey! Got these just to assess this combo, but found a bulk supplier through amazon and 500g each is around $70 before shipping. So if the trial goes well that will be the road I travel.

Enjoy and keep us posted!!

[MajorPectorial]

After some extra seachin i.picked up 500g cittruline for around 25pounds. (Im uk) and me msm crystals for rotator cuff probs (bought one kg of that)

[ImSore]

I looked into Norva. If used with arginine and/or citrulline, it needs to be a very low dose. It can cause ammonia to accumulate in blood. Unfortunetaly low doses arent effective. That's one of the reasons I never used it

that's weird, cause literally every product I've used with it has blown the others away. cellucores no3 pills w/ norva, American muscles warpath to name a couple. pair it with c4 or universals new formula shock therapy and the pump is no comparison. and American muscle is normally shitty and over priced. I've probably taken 4 different products with norva in it and it's always the same. maybe I'm just sensitive to it, but I am certain that for me at least, it hits the button

[ImSore]

wouldn't it be nice if the sup companies actually told us their dosages

[MajorPectorial]

Too ez for anothee comp to up on it. But yeh. Would be nice to get em doin a quaoity AND price war.

[austinite]

wouldn't it be nice if the sup companies actually told us their dosages

My biggest frustration.

[dom1983]

After reading through this thread again I have decided to not re-supply my amino caps and instead go for powders so I can construct my own kickass Pre Workout shake.

As always your critiques are most welcome, and thoroughly encouraged!

did my shopping at turenutrition.com (who I just found) and ordered me some -

L-Arginine Powder - 100g
Acetyl L-Carnitine Powder - 100g
BCAA Plus Powder - 30servings
Citrulline Malate Powder - 100g

And for my new Pre-Workout shake taken 30-45mins before lifting I will go with -

2g - Citrulline (1g in the BCAA brings the Citrulline dose to 3g in total)
2g - Arginine
1 Serving BCAA Plus (Which Contains - 4g Instantized L-Leucine 3g L-Glutamine 2g L-Valine 2g L-Isoleucine 1g Citrulline Malate 10mg Vitamin B-6)
1 Serving - Whey Isolate
5g Creatine Monohydrate

This is ofcourse taken alongside my daily intake of Amino's and 10mg of Cialis.

Hoping for a top notch pump from this bad boy.

PS- Great prices on truenutrition.com thank god I found them!

[austinite]

Sounds good. lol, almost sound like you're advertising the website. be careful. Enjoy your pumps!

[dom1983]

whoops, sorry about that. Should I edit the website out of the post? lol I only mentioned them in case anyone was curious about any of the products

EDIT - I was thinking of adding a Vasodilator to the mix to increase the pump. Looked at the ingredients list, then the $60 price tag, and wondered why the hell anybody would buy them when they

A)Never tell you the values of thier ingredients and

B)Are filled with the exact same ingredients anyone who typed "NO increase" into google would get......

Mind blowing, and to think I used to waste my money on HemoRage religiously lol

[Brazensol]

After reading through this thread again I have decided to not re-supply my amino caps and instead go for powders so I can construct my own kickass Pre Workout shake.

As always your critiques are most welcome, and thoroughly encouraged!

did my shopping at turenutrition.com (who I just found) and ordered me some -

L-Arginine Powder - 100g
Acetyl L-Carnitine Powder - 100g
BCAA Plus Powder - 30servings
Citrulline Malate Powder - 100g

And for my new Pre-Workout shake taken 30-45mins before lifting I will go with -

2g - Citrulline (1g in the BCAA brings the Citrulline dose to 3g in total)
2g - Arginine
1 Serving BCAA Plus (Which Contains - 4g Instantized L-Leucine 3g L-Glutamine 2g L-Valine 2g L-Isoleucine 1g Citrulline Malate 10mg Vitamin B-6)
1 Serving - Whey Isolate
5g Creatine Monohydrate

This is ofcourse taken alongside my daily intake of Amino's and 10mg of Cialis.

Hoping for a top notch pump from this bad boy.

PS- Great prices on truenutrition.com thank god I found them!

This is certainly less expensive than buying it premixed. When my current stores are used up I think I'll go this route myself.

[vwvwvv]

I intend to get Betaine (TMG), Beta-Alanine and ArginineAKG (heard it's absorbed better than Arginine itself?) for my preWO.

Dosages are on a per-day basis
TMG: 2g
Beta-Alanine: 6.4g (read it off the net that optimal performance is somewhere around 6g, correct me if I'm wrong)
AAKG: 3g


Inputs on this pls

Thanks!

[MajorPectorial]

Go for l-citrulline at 3gs

[boostjunkie09]

Yes, you can use any citrulline, but malate is absorbed better. powerful Amino acid, Also converts to arginine so you double the benefit. if you go this route, take 20-30 minutes before lifting. Not cardio.. lifting.

What would happen if you did cardio? No benefit, or cramps? Just curious

[austinite]

What would happen if you did cardio? No benefit, or cramps? Just curious

Nothing would really happen, but the thread was about a pre workout "Pump", generally that means from lifting.