D-aspartic acid???

[mark woods]

Hi guys just wondering what your thoughts on DAA were?I've heard there was 1 study in Italy I think of 12 men not sure of age but there t levels increased by 33% that's pretty much the bones of the study but my experience is that I used it before a cycle and was convinced something was working I was looking and feeling fuller I got blood work done before the cycle and my test was a fraction short of the upper limit,I'm 35 and convinced it's not normally that high but I've never had t checked before so I can't be sure but I am using it again in my pct with my clomid and nolvadex and it's the same again I'm looking and feeling fuller whilst I'm cutting so for me it's definitely working.any thought's input or experience in this???

[Times Roman]

since this thread is gathering dust, i'll bump it by saying a couple of things:

1) my understanding, and this could be wrong, but I don't think so, is that DAA WILL increase test levels in the short term, but your body will always compensate and in the long run natty test levels will return to normal, regardless how much DAA you take
2) since I'm on TRT, I'm not concerned about natty test levels, which is why I don't know if #1 is science or bro science.

---Roman

[Docd187123]

DAA is a waste of money. Any increase in test levels is of no clinical significance meaning it may raise them slightly on a blood test but he increase isnt enough to do jack.

[Times Roman]

DAA is a waste of money. Any increase in test levels is of no clinical significance meaning it may raise them slightly on a blood test but he increase isnt enough to do jack.

this is my understanding too, just never did the proper research.

I'll do the first part, and dig up potentially some relevant articles from NCBI

The role and molecular mechanism of D-aspartic acid in the release and synthesis of LH and testosterone in humans and rats

Opposing effects of D-aspartic acid and nitric oxide on tuning of testosterone production in mallard testis during the reproductive cycle

I'd actually read them, but need to go start the BBQ, the buzzer is going off..............

[Docd187123]

this is my understanding too, just never did the proper research.

I'll do the first part, and dig up potentially some relevant articles from NCBI

The role and molecular mechanism of D-aspartic acid in the release and synthesis of LH and testosterone in humans and rats

Opposing effects of D-aspartic acid and nitric oxide on tuning of testosterone production in mallard testis during the reproductive cycle

I'd actually read them, but need to go start the BBQ, the buzzer is going off..............

Bbq wins EVERY time TR lol

I'll see your Pubmed studies and raise you with a comprehensive analysis of most/all the studies done in DAA lol. This is an excellent site for unbiased supplement reviews based on the science. A friend of mine grew up with one of the site's owners and they are all extremely intelligent ppl.

D-Aspartic Acid - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com

[Times Roman]

Bbq wins EVERY time TR lol

I'll see your Pubmed studies and raise you with a comprehensive analysis of most/all the studies done in DAA lol. This is an excellent site for unbiased supplement reviews based on the science. A friend of mine grew up with one of the site's owners and they are all extremely intelligent ppl.

D-Aspartic Acid - Scientific Review on Usage, Dosage, Side Effects | Examine.com

thanks. I "rebook" marked this site. had it from before, but forgot about it when caught a virus and had to reformat my hard drive......

[mark woods]

Tks for input guys very informative!

[Back In Black]

Why are you cutting during pct?

[mark woods]

Basically to lose BF and get lean..

[Times Roman]

Why are you cutting during pct?

not to put words in BIB's mouth....

...but I think the spirit of the question is why would you risk your cycle gains by not supporting that new growth with the proper protein and caloric intake? It's hard enough Post Cycle to hang on to gains, and then to cut on top of that?

Go ahead and try it and see what happens, but I think I already know what is going to happen

---Roman

[Back In Black]

not to put words in BIB's mouth....

...but I think the spirit of the question is why would you risk your cycle gains by not supporting that new growth with the proper protein and caloric intake? It's hard enough Post Cycle to hang on to gains, and then to cut on top of that?

Go ahead and try it and see what happens, but I think I already know what is going to happen

---Roman

Perfect.

OP you're pretty much going to say goodbye to most, if not all plus more, of your gains.

[mark woods]

No I understand it goes against the grain but I figured I would cut after pct for around 4/6 weeks so that's 8/10 weeks of not feeling great and reduced calories so I decided to do it together,almost finished pct now and if I were to do it again I would consider doing the same protocol.

[Jdubz219]

DAA IS what I mainly look for when buying supps, good results...

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[MuscleInk]

this is my understanding too, just never did the proper research.

I'll do the first part, and dig up potentially some relevant articles from NCBI

The role and molecular mechanism of D-aspartic acid in the release and synthesis of LH and testosterone in humans and rats

Opposing effects of D-aspartic acid and nitric oxide on tuning of testosterone production in mallard testis during the reproductive cycle

I'd actually read them, but need to go start the BBQ, the buzzer is going off..............

Correct. Results are mixed. Many of the benefits reported are often seen in vitro with cells lines. Fewer studies exist in vivo and those that due report effects on LH, testosterone , and E2, but these studies are generally limited to very short treatment intervals. Many of the initial benefits will likely diminish as the body adapts to increases in NMDA or DAA.

[mark woods]

Yes I would agree with this^^^this is only my second time using this first for 2 weeks and I felt enough to warrant it was doing something and bloodwork showed I was basically on the upper limit t levels but as I said I've never had levels checked before but being 35 I'm convinced I'm not normally that high...I do plan stopping this supplement tho and getting checked again to see where I am at.

[Docd187123]

not to put words in BIB's mouth....

...but I think the spirit of the question is why would you risk your cycle gains by not supporting that new growth with the proper protein and caloric intake? It's hard enough Post Cycle to hang on to gains, and then to cut on top of that?

Go ahead and try it and see what happens, but I think I already know what is going to happen

---Roman

Perfect.

OP you're pretty much going to say goodbye to most, if not all plus more, of your gains.

During my previous cycle, I had excellent results while cutting during and after PCT. I maintained a relatively high protein and carb intake (to prevent LBM loss and maintain my intensity in the gym) and reduced fats to create my caloric deficit. Strength went up, fat mass went down, and while I'm sure I lost some LBM (everyone will from reduced glycogen stores), the amount of actual muscle mass loss was negligible.

Remember, during PCT you'll be hyperexcreting LH from the SERMs and your test levels will be artificially high unless your Leydig cells aren't sensitized to LH but HCG throughout the cycle will help immensely with this. Now I wouldn't go around and advise everyone to cut during PCT, especially if you're one of the ones who feels like crap during and have trouble maintaining training intensity, but neither would I make the blanket statement that nobody can cut during PCT or that everyone will lose their gains. My $.02

[mark woods]

Tks for your input glad to hear I wasn't the only person that has done it this way but being almost finished now if I feel it's not going so well I'll add more calories.

[Back In Black]

During my previous cycle, I had excellent results while cutting during and after PCT. I maintained a relatively high protein and carb intake (to prevent LBM loss and maintain my intensity in the gym) and reduced fats to create my caloric deficit. Strength went up, fat mass went down, and while I'm sure I lost some LBM (everyone will from reduced glycogen stores), the amount of actual muscle mass loss was negligible.

Remember, during PCT you'll be hyperexcreting LH from the SERMs and your test levels will be artificially high unless your Leydig cells aren't sensitized to LH but HCG throughout the cycle will help immensely with this. Now I wouldn't go around and advise everyone to cut during PCT, especially if you're one of the ones who feels like crap during and have trouble maintaining training intensity, but neither would I make the blanket statement that nobody can cut during PCT or that everyone will lose their gains. My $.02

Well, I never made a blanket statement that everybody would lose LBM if they cut on PCT but more of an educated and time served assumption. I think you are the exception rather than the rule Doc. Too many people think they can eat what they want on cycle when bulking then realise at the end they got fat. They panic a little and cut calories way too much at this delicate time.

As the OP admits it isn't going well for him, I wish him luck

[mark woods]

Tks for your comments BIB but comments actually Said IF it's not going well I will add cals..so far so good tho