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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie67 View Post
    May I ask how much TrenA you're using per week? Just curious about the sides, if any.

    I've only ran TrenE, because long esters just help my life out with far fewer injections. I get terrible insomnia on Tren , so I started TrenA in the cycle I'm starting today hoping that injecting less Tren every other day will help the insomnia some.

    You're killing it man, I appreciate you sharing this log.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie67 View Post
    May I ask how much TrenA you're using per week? Just curious about the sides, if any.

    I've only ran TrenE, because long esters just help my life out with far fewer injections. I get terrible insomnia on Tren , so I started TrenA in the cycle I'm starting today hoping that injecting less Tren every other day will help the insomnia some.

    You're killing it man, I appreciate you sharing this log.

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    I started shooting Tren A pre workout last year sometime and fell in love with it. Currently I use it 5 x a week at 50mg pre workout so 250mg per week.
    I don't get any insomnia anymore nor did I get any last contest prep when my doses were slightly higher. I really notice no side effect other than a bit of increased aggression but this is exactly why I take it preworkout.

    I also shoot all my gear out of 29g 1/2inch slin pins. Its a bit more time consuming but I get no muscle irritation this way and much prefer daily insulin pins to twice weekly with a 25g. Ever since switching from a 25g to 29g, I am able to hit more muscles without pain. For example, I would not touch my front or rear head of my delt before or any part of my quad but now I have no issues with any of them and actual prefer those areas because there is no scar tissue.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    Don’t listen to Chucky..... he’s a pussy. Inject daily. LOL
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    Haha well i'm definitely a believer in daily injections. In my experience I can get a better "effect" from a lower dose with virtually no side effects or I've yet to feel them anyways.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    Haha well i'm definitely a believer in daily injections. In my experience I can get a better "effect" from a lower dose with virtually no side effects or I've yet to feel them anyways.
    Finally, someone who understands me. LOL


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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    Don’t listen to Chucky..... he’s a pussy. Inject daily. LOL
    Sorry Charlie, I couldn’t resist.
    Just striving to be like you man, lol.

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    I also shoot all my gear out of 29g 1/2inch slin pins. Its a bit more time consuming but I get no muscle irritation this way and much prefer daily insulin pins to twice weekly with a 25g. Ever since switching from a 25g to 29g, I am able to hit more muscles without pain.
    Thanks for that, I was going to go every other day, but now I'm thinking maybe every day too.... Are you back loading the slin pins? or can you actually draw it and shoot it? for whatever reason, every time I try to backload a syringe I end up shooting some of it across the room when putting back in the plunger.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Charlie67 View Post
    Just striving to be like you man, lol.



    Thanks for that, I was going to go every other day, but now I'm thinking maybe every day too.... Are you back loading the slin pins? or can you actually draw it and shoot it? for whatever reason, every time I try to backload a syringe I end up shooting some of it across the room when putting back in the plunger.
    I backload my syringe, no patience to draw using a 29g lol. Theres not more than a drop of liquid that leaks out. I don't know if this will help but what I do is flip the syringe so the needle faces up right after i've gotten the plunger close enough to make sure nothing spills out. I hope I explained that well enough
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    Am weight: 222.6lb

    Seems like the lower bodyweight got to me today, on chest anyways. Hamstrings went pretty well... I pretty much got a sweet mind muscle connection after my first warm up and had to limp out of the gym

    Flat BB 315x8 ... was aiming for 10-12
    Incline DB 100x9 ... Was aiming for top set of 120lbs but the 100s
    Pec dec 3 sets of 10-15
    Lying leg curls 3 sets, last 1 drop set to failure
    Romanian deadlifts 225x10, 315x7
    Leg press 4x20 5x20 6x20 7x15 ... On this one I wanted to see what weight I would need to do to fail a 20 rep set

    Im alot more flexible and mobile. Stretches and foam rolling feels a lot better when you can actually move side to side. Not that I think I got "huge" by any means but I did get 10lbs heavier than I've ever been and Im currently sitting 15lbs heavier than I did last off-season yet I'm leaner. It was also nice to be able to touch my toes today after weeks LOLL

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    16 week prep? Why so long? I usually go 12 weeks and that seems long to most.


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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    16 week prep? Why so long? I usually go 12 weeks and that seems long to most.


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    The first portion would be a bulk done a bit cleaner than usual. High calorie diet with 1 cheat meal a week and cardio. I definitely wouldn't be in a caloric deficit for those 16 weeks.

    I find it easier to stay on track when i'm on prep. I know I won't skip any cardio days or ab workouts and adding these two will help me expend more energy thus allowing me to eat more food.

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    Are you still looking for injectable Superdrol? Gard Labs had a decent amount of "exotic" things. I don't know if he specifically carried that or if he's still in business.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Are you still looking for injectable Superdrol? Gard Labs had a decent amount of "exotic" things. I don't know if he specifically carried that or if he's still in business.
    I've never used gard and don't have access to it but my innovagen guy has injectable sdrol. I decided to hold off for now. My body isn't cooperating and I'm leaning towards taking a break.

    I have just over 6 weeks until I need to get serious (marks 16 weeks out) and I think I need to prioritize my injuries here and get my shoulder to 100%. Likely I will save the sdrol for later on and switch to TRT dose test microdosed daily with HGH. I had intended on taking a break before prep but now i'm starting to think I need to leave more time to let my body recover just to be safe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    I've never used gard and don't have access to it but my innovagen guy has injectable sdrol. I decided to hold off for now. My body isn't cooperating and I'm leaning towards taking a break.

    I have just over 6 weeks until I need to get serious (marks 16 weeks out) and I think I need to prioritize my injuries here and get my shoulder to 100%. Likely I will save the sdrol for later on and switch to TRT dose test microdosed daily with HGH. I had intended on taking a break before prep but now i'm starting to think I need to leave more time to let my body recover just to be safe.
    I like Inno for the more exotic stuff. He also carries Cardarine, MK, Udoxyl, and Injectable glutathione among a few other cool products.

    Don't the 5mL vials drive you bananas though?
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    Is that place in the US?


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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I like Inno for the more exotic stuff. He also carries Cardarine, MK, Udoxyl, and Injectable glutathione among a few other cool products.

    Don't the 5mL vials drive you bananas though?
    5ml bottles is the main reason I stick to syn over inno tbh. Inno is great for things like helios and MK. Inno has the best MK I have ever used. I was just using syn's MK and I didn't feel a thing other than better sleep.

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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    Is that place in the US?


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    I believe it is in Canada only (gard)

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    Am weigh in: 218lbs.

    Bloat is completely gone and im seeing way more of my abs than I expected on a 5000 cal diet. I have a full 6 pack from front view, not so much from side but I'm not trying to be ripped by any means. My mobility and flexibility is just about the same as when I am in the 205 range other than my right chest. I believe my right shoulder/rotator cuff injury is causing a severe lack of ROM in my chest. I have physio scheduled for next Monday to help things get resolved and in the meantime I am sticking to machine presses for the most part for chest (can't do flyes without pain) until this injury subsides.

    I have now started my cruise. I will be using pharm grade test alongside pharm grade HGH. I was given both for free and I have enough on hand for my cruise portion. Not running anything crazy and am starting my HGH at 2iu but will increase to 3iu after a week or so.

    Current cruise dosages:
    Pharm Test E 50mg pre workout 5x week = 250mg weekly
    Pharm HGH 2iu AM

    After my cruise I will do a mass gaining/strength phase to kick off my contest prep as I try to pack on some more size before starting the cutting portion. In the meantime the goal is to maintain somewhere near my current weight (hopefully gain) while continuing with cardio and getting leaner/tighter to help with insulin resistance as I do intend to dose my slin quite high to start my blast in 4-6 weeks here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    Am weigh in: 218lbs.

    Bloat is completely gone and im seeing way more of my abs than I expected on a 5000 cal diet. I have a full 6 pack from front view, not so much from side but I'm not trying to be ripped by any means. My mobility and flexibility is just about the same as when I am in the 205 range other than my right chest. I believe my right shoulder/rotator cuff injury is causing a severe lack of ROM in my chest. I have physio scheduled for next Monday to help things get resolved and in the meantime I am sticking to machine presses for the most part for chest (can't do flyes without pain) until this injury subsides.

    I have now started my cruise. I will be using pharm grade test alongside pharm grade HGH. I was given both for free and I have enough on hand for my cruise portion. Not running anything crazy and am starting my HGH at 2iu but will increase to 3iu after a week or so.

    Current cruise dosages:
    Pharm Test E 50mg pre workout 5x week = 250mg weekly
    Pharm HGH 2iu AM

    After my cruise I will do a mass gaining/strength phase to kick off my contest prep as I try to pack on some more size before starting the cutting portion. In the meantime the goal is to maintain somewhere near my current weight (hopefully gain) while continuing with cardio and getting leaner/tighter to help with insulin resistance as I do intend to dose my slin quite high to start my blast in 4-6 weeks here.
    What is quite high?


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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    What is quite high?


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    Well, I'll be ramping up so its hard to say what number I will end up at but lantus will be at 30-50iu with 10-15iu humalog at least twice a day maybe more. I will essentially run it as high as my diet allows but remember, this is pre contest so the goal is to stay lean through this process. Typically I do stay pretty lean with high doses of insulin and this time around I will be adding T3 to the mix as well.

    If I had to choose one over the other, I would run lantus higher and take humalog 5iu or whatever is needed with my meals. I will be logging all of this when the time comes.

    I don't recommend anyone try these doses listed above unless you are advanced in the realm of insulin. I have ran insulin 6-8 times and only experimented with these doses this off season. It is VERY easy to go hypo and I can not stress this enough. I keep dex tabs as well as bags of candy and gatorade in my gym bag just incase.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    Well, I'll be ramping up so its hard to say what number I will end up at but lantus will be at 30-50iu with 10-15iu humalog at least twice a day maybe more. I will essentially run it as high as my diet allows but remember, this is pre contest so the goal is to stay lean through this process. Typically I do stay pretty lean with high doses of insulin and this time around I will be adding T3 to the mix as well.

    If I had to choose one over the other, I would run lantus higher and take humalog 5iu or whatever is needed with my meals. I will be logging all of this when the time comes.

    I don't recommend anyone try these doses listed above unless you are advanced in the realm of insulin. I have ran insulin 6-8 times and only experimented with these doses this off season. It is VERY easy to go hypo and I can not stress this enough. I keep dex tabs as well as bags of candy and gatorade in my gym bag just incase.
    During contest prep I went hypo on 2 iu and was like wtf. As you deplete, it changes your levels and tolerance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    5ml bottles is the main reason I stick to syn over inno tbh. Inno is great for things like helios and MK. Inno has the best MK I have ever used. I was just using syn's MK and I didn't feel a thing other than better sleep.
    Interesting - I've been using Syn's MK from Day 1 for the last several months and been quite happy - 15mg pills. Are you doing before bed only or splitting the dose between AM and PM?

    Ironically I am trying out Innovagen MK starting next week. My rep doesn't carry Syn - I was just buying it through CMS (Chad). Wanted to avoid buying one single item from someone else and pay shipping twice. Interested to see the difference if any.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
    During contest prep I went hypo on 2 iu and was like wtf. As you deplete, it changes your levels and tolerance.
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    I wont be running any crazy doses weeks out from stepping on stage. I only intend to keep the slin high somewhere in the 10-18 week out mark. 10 weeks out it will be time to get shredded and bring a better conditioned physique than last time.

    I usually stick to 10g = 1iu and have had no problems. Ive gone down to 7g=1iu range but occasionally would feel hypo. After reading somewhere that the hypo feeling puts your body in a catabolic state, I decided it was better to go with 10 to 1iu and avoid any hypo feeling at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Interesting - I've been using Syn's MK from Day 1 for the last several months and been quite happy - 15mg pills. Are you doing before bed only or splitting the dose between AM and PM?

    Ironically I am trying out Innovagen MK starting next week. My rep doesn't carry Syn - I was just buying it through CMS (Chad). Wanted to avoid buying one single item from someone else and pay shipping twice. Interested to see the difference if any.
    I am taking 15mg before bed only. This is my second time running MK from syn and feeling this way. Very odd because I love syn and run it for everything else but for some reason the MK just doesn't seem to cooperate. The only thing I can think of is maybe Inno has their MK dosed higher and I feel it more because of that... Curious to hear your experience with the inno MK

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    I am taking 15mg before bed only. This is my second time running MK from syn and feeling this way. Very odd because I love syn and run it for everything else but for some reason the MK just doesn't seem to cooperate. The only thing I can think of is maybe Inno has their MK dosed higher and I feel it more because of that... Curious to hear your experience with the inno MK
    I am doing 15mg AM and 15mg PM. Felt like trying 30mg before bed to see if I'd wake up starving. Slept for 14 hours...
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I am doing 15mg AM and 15mg PM. Felt like trying 30mg before bed to see if I'd wake up starving. Slept for 14 hours...
    Just lucky you woke up. Be careful.


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    My grow season log - first bulk in years

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I am doing 15mg AM and 15mg PM. Felt like trying 30mg before bed to see if I'd wake up starving. Slept for 14 hours...
    That 14 hour sleep thing doesn't sound like a bad idea lol. You think doing 2iu of growth before bed would have a similar effect in terms of a longer sleep? I guess only one way to find out for sure lol.

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    Am weigh in: 220.4

    Well I'm glad I decided to take a break from the heavy lifting. Went and saw my physio today and man was there a list of imbalances going on. It looks like my initial neck strain may have led to compensation of one thing which led to another and so on. Two of my biggest issues were both my bicep tendons on my right side as well as another tendon he mentioned and just my neck being stiff overall. Thanks kel for chiming in with your feedback, made me rethink things and listen to my body even tho I wanted to keep chasing PRs lol.

    So after a session which lasted 1h20m, I feel a lot looser. Plan is to reevaluate things in a couple days as I did tell him im okay taking a week or two off from training if thats what he thinks is best. After testing my range of motion after the session he mentioned that he didn't think i'd need any time off based off todays results but I do still think a week break could be a good idea before getting into the swing of things.

    I took a bit of time to jot down a few dates for potential shows this year. I'm not opposed to flying out to do shows so things like Toronto pro, Olympia amateur and north americans are all possibilities but my way of thinking is that I should be aware when I'm 12 and 16 weeks out from each contest so I can better gauge whether stepping on stage is a good idea. In the meantime I plan to hit another bulk but leaner this time around. I will follow DC training or one of meadows plans for said bulk and the plan is to transition from that into a contest prep unless I feel some sort of break is needed for my body to recover. The planned start of this bulk /strength program will be in 3 weeks time but thats if everything goes as planned with my physio and upcoming blood work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    Am weigh in: 220.4

    Well I'm glad I decided to take a break from the heavy lifting. Went and saw my physio today and man was there a list of imbalances going on. It looks like my initial neck strain may have led to compensation of one thing which led to another and so on. Two of my biggest issues were both my bicep tendons on my right side as well as another tendon he mentioned and just my neck being stiff overall. Thanks kel for chiming in with your feedback, made me rethink things and listen to my body even tho I wanted to keep chasing PRs lol.

    So after a session which lasted 1h20m, I feel a lot looser. Plan is to reevaluate things in a couple days as I did tell him im okay taking a week or two off from training if thats what he thinks is best. After testing my range of motion after the session he mentioned that he didn't think i'd need any time off based off todays results but I do still think a week break could be a good idea before getting into the swing of things.

    I took a bit of time to jot down a few dates for potential shows this year. I'm not opposed to flying out to do shows so things like Toronto pro, Olympia amateur and north americans are all possibilities but my way of thinking is that I should be aware when I'm 12 and 16 weeks out from each contest so I can better gauge whether stepping on stage is a good idea. In the meantime I plan to hit another bulk but leaner this time around. I will follow DC training or one of meadows plans for said bulk and the plan is to transition from that into a contest prep unless I feel some sort of break is needed for my body to recover. The planned start of this bulk /strength program will be in 3 weeks time but thats if everything goes as planned with my physio and upcoming blood work.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    That 14 hour sleep thing doesn't sound like a bad idea lol. You think doing 2iu of growth before bed would have a similar effect in terms of a longer sleep? I guess only one way to find out for sure lol.
    I always pin my GH fasted in the morning. Never bothered to deviate. I always understood pinning GH at night was counterproductive since that's when the most natural pulse occurrs.
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    Quote Originally Posted by charger69 View Post
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    Yessir I am cruising on 60mg of test 5 x a week (I was aiming for 40mg but its hard to draw that low of a volume) and 2iu HGH in the morning.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    I always pin my GH fasted in the morning. Never bothered to deviate. I always understood pinning GH at night was counterproductive since that's when the most natural pulse occurrs.
    Exactly the same reason I do it in the morning. I remember reading somewhere that after a couple months of GH administration that the natural pulse turns off, if true that would be a good time to try the PM dose but I'm not sure if its true.

    I've also seen a top level coach have his GH protocol consist of PM shots. One shot was before bed and another was to be taken at some point in the middle of the night when waking up to pee. Can't remember who that was however. But I guess when you're running that many IU's you don't really care about your natural pulse anyways.

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    coming up on 1 week switching from Syn to Innovagen for MK. Haven't noticed any differences yet even with a 5mg dose difference (30 vs 25)

    Will have to follow up in a few weeks time and see
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    Am Weigh in: 220.4

    Hovering around the same weight but visibly getting leaner. Cardio is also a lot better now and I can sprint on the treadmill... not much of a sprint at 8.0 but ill be at 9.0 pretty soon I feel. Feels good to know I can run at this weight but maybe I need new running shoes as it doesn't feel the best on my knees... nothing to worry about now but just being careful for long term.

    So my main purpose of cruising was to let my body recover. I already feel like I want to get back into heavy lifting lol... The mental part is the biggest thing, if you don't want to lift heavy, 3 plates will feel like 4. My shoulder is still a little tight but has gotten a lot better with just one treatment. The on going treatments will solve this issue in no time and I think this is where the confidence is coming from.

    At this moment I am aiming to start back up in a week and a half (Monday feb 3rd). I have an appointment with my physio Saturday Jan 31 and unless he advises against it, I will be starting my bulk alongside a variation of a DC program I just finished writing the other day. Last bulk I went about 6 weeks with heavy training, this time around I am aiming for 8-10 but will have to use more safety gear. Im ordering myself a new belt and some sort of elbow equipment. I think the compression cuff by slingshot is all I really need. I also think a DC plan where I need to hit rep numbers as opposed to 1rep and 3rep maxes will be a lot more forgiving on my body (definitely not my CNS tho).

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    Just wanted to say very impressive log and following along, you look great. Im in the same boat with my left shoulder pretty sure its the bicep tendon or subscapularus and man it is a total killer aggravated mine yesterday trying to squat fuckin sucks but hang in there you look awesome

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    Am weight: 220.2

    Hovering around 220 with my 5k diet and getting leaner by the day. Can't really complain. I would say my shoulder is at about 80%, Im still avoiding hitting shoulders themselves but I'm able to bench 315 for reps no problem. I just can't unrack anything heavier than 315. Since I plan to start my next bulk phase on Feb 3rd, I think I will avoid arms, chest and shoulders until then. So really just legs and back for the next week and a bit. Since I take weekends off anyways, its only a weeks worth of workouts anyways.

    Im pretty pumped about this bulk now after the last one mainly because I know what to change. The introduction of HGH + an oral (anadrol ) alongside a proper workout plan (as opposed to heavy 1rm and 3rm) and a cleaner diet should yield some good results. Al though I still think if I try for 7k calories, I'll need ice cream in the mix to hit those cals, Im pretty sure I can get away with 6k range based off what I am currently seeing at 5k. I also think my distended stomach from the constant consumption of food got in the way of some lifts.

    This is me yesterday, easily the leanest i've been at this size. I look forward to this being my "before" photo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cuz View Post
    Just wanted to say very impressive log and following along, you look great. Im in the same boat with my left shoulder pretty sure its the bicep tendon or subscapularus and man it is a total killer aggravated mine yesterday trying to squat fuckin sucks but hang in there you look awesome
    Appreciate it man, thank you!

    My subscap is always acting up but this is my first time with bicep tendon issues. Currently the only pain I have is the short head of my bicep tendon and hopefully thats gone soon.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Livinlean View Post
    Appreciate it man, thank you!

    My subscap is always acting up but this is my first time with bicep tendon issues. Currently the only pain I have is the short head of my bicep tendon and hopefully thats gone soon.
    Have you tried BPC157 / TB500
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    Quote Originally Posted by Windex View Post
    Have you tried BPC157 / TB500
    I've always had my physio fix my subscap pretty easily and never had bicep tendon issues so no I honestly didn't even think about those 2.

    I think I'll order some after reading up on the two and figuring out my dosing. I've heard nothing but good things. Appreciate the advice!

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    I did 1mg TB500 per day with 250mcg BPC157 in AM then another 250mcg in PM.

    Next run I am going to do 8 weeks instead of 6. I'll also front load 5mg TB500 on Day 1 + Day 2
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