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11-14-2013, 01:28 PM #41
What's the bite force on:
- Akita
- Siberian Husky
- Alaskan Malamute
Ya, I could look it up but you and Haz are like the Bing and Google brothers
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11-14-2013, 01:52 PM #42Originally Posted by MuscleInk
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11-14-2013, 02:09 PM #43Originally Posted by Hazard
Trained dogs typically have a higher bite force than untrained ones. A human averages 120 pounds bite force.
National Geographic did several tests of bite force with numerous animals, including dogs and wolves, to see which had the strongest jaws and the worst bite. Not surprisingly, the wolf was the canine with the most powerful bite, measuring 406 pounds of pressure. A wolf can, when it is protecting itself, inflict a bite that carries up to 1,200 pounds of pressure.
Top Five Breeds (according to Google):
Doberman - 600lbs of pressure
Mastiff - 552lbs of pressure
Rottweiler - 328lbs of pressure
Husky/Malamute/Akita - 260lbs of pressure
German Shepherd - 238lbs of pressure
Pit bull - 235lbs of pressure
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11-14-2013, 02:24 PM #44
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11-14-2013, 02:25 PM #45
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11-14-2013, 02:30 PM #46
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11-14-2013, 02:44 PM #47Originally Posted by Lunk1
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11-14-2013, 03:00 PM #48
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11-14-2013, 03:19 PM #49
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11-14-2013, 03:26 PM #50
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11-14-2013, 03:41 PM #51Originally Posted by Lunk1
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11-14-2013, 03:48 PM #52
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11-14-2013, 03:49 PM #53Originally Posted by capetown
My Pitt is fairly big..... Looks mean..... But plays with my daughter and you can tell he's are full not knock her down. He licks the shit outa her..... You can tell he loves her.
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11-14-2013, 03:51 PM #54Originally Posted by Rwy
It's the fighting. Any dog can be trained to fight. Breed restriction laws are fvcked up IMO. It's like outlawing guns..... You won't stop the crime.
The ppl who fight dogs keep the dogs hidden. BSL's just fvck it up for the good owners
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11-14-2013, 03:53 PM #55
NOthing better when the Ghetto girls get a pit and they dont fix it. NOw thats a loaded gun
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11-14-2013, 03:56 PM #56
The "hood" has grown. It's now the "in thing" for ppl to have these types of dogs. They raise them as if they were raising a Golden Retriever, then expect that just because it act all lovable in their living room that they can trust it around anyone at anytime. Then they are shocked when it bites someone that was simply making a hand gesture or walking near there property.
Everyone is and has the exception to the rule but they fail to take into account the genetic desire these dogs have to protect, attack and bite!
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11-14-2013, 04:35 PM #57Originally Posted by Lunk1
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11-14-2013, 04:47 PM #58
The fact that you know a few guys who haven't had problems doesn't mean that the potential doesn't exist. It a game of chance and the odds of an attack happening increase with certain breeds. Do you really think 100's of years of breeding is gone in 15-20 years. I know guys who have owned pointers and never hunted them but they still possess a genetic predisposition to point. I know lines of retrievers who have never fetched a duck yet they still possess a drive to carry shyt around in their mouth.
I'm not saying that your Pitt should be put down, I'm simply saying that the dog was bred for a specific purpose and no amount of luvy dovey play on the living room floor is going to erase 100's of years worth of breeding and the dogs natural drive.
I'm all for responsible pet owners owning a dog...just tell me why some of these breeds are even a necessity?
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11-14-2013, 05:06 PM #59Originally Posted by Lunk1
Bulldogs are accepted as family companions..... They were bred for fighting. They would fight bears, bulls, other large animals for out amusement. How come bulldogs don't have a bad rap? The pitbull came in part from the bull dog. So while yes you could argue that the "genetic make up" to be successful for fighting is there - it doesn't mean the dog will just snap one day.
IMO there's no greater chance with a pitbull than any other dog. You piss any animal off and it bites. To shun a breed for its genetic make up isnt fair. It didn't ask to be bred.....
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11-14-2013, 05:07 PM #60
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11-14-2013, 05:21 PM #61
It's a shame there is not more funding to go after these people that set up dog fights. Is it law enforcement only that can investigate this or are there any private organizations that can do it? I would be interested in donating time for the cause. What's your take on this and do you know of organizations that help out in this area?
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11-14-2013, 05:23 PM #62
My dog trainer has a pitt that was trained to fight and they fed it gun powder and whatever else these idiots do, but he takes that dog out with dogs all the time during training sessions with other dogs and never has a problem. But you do need to know what you are doing.
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11-14-2013, 05:29 PM #63Originally Posted by Lunk1
I answered yes, but as a last resort. I'm a huge dog lover. Been around them most of my life and did both veterinary medicine and research with dogs. As much as I hate cleaning up dog crap, I'm looking forward to getting another dog eventually.
I hate to see any companion animal shot, but if it was necessary to protect myself or my family and (1) restraining the dog (2) leaving the area or (3) tazing the dog wasn't an option, it would be a necessary but regrettable decision if life threatening.
You've told me about your situations. I would have done the same, as much as it would truly upset me to do so.
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11-14-2013, 05:30 PM #64Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt
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11-14-2013, 05:30 PM #65
Being in the sticks of the Midwest it's not prevalent here but I'm sure that there are some rescue organizations especially in the metro areas. I have yet to see any dog kennel or rescue kennel operation that would turn down time or $. There is never enough of either for these dogs.
As far as investigating the actual crime...I'm sure that reporting to a tip line or face to face reporting is about all they could allow you to do. Too much liability.Last edited by Lunk1; 11-14-2013 at 05:37 PM.
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11-14-2013, 05:33 PM #66
Make sure you get one from a breeder and do your homework. Also, make sure the breeder GUARANTEES hip and elbow dysplasia FREE. It's kind of a weird warranty because when you're attached to the dog it sucks if they have a problem, it's not like taking back something mechanical. You won't be sorry with a Cane Corso.
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11-14-2013, 05:36 PM #67
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11-14-2013, 05:36 PM #68
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11-14-2013, 05:41 PM #69Originally Posted by EasyDoesIt
Still.....gun powder? What goes through those idiots' minds??? Apparently not much.
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11-14-2013, 05:50 PM #70
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11-14-2013, 06:50 PM #71Junior Member
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Lunk do you have the same stance on genetic make up in humans? If you do i see your logic.. If not well im very lost. Only dogs i have shot are 1 dalmation and lots of little ones. and lots and lots of dingo crosses
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11-14-2013, 08:08 PM #72
To a degree yes but it's not nearly the same. To compare the dogs brain to a humans and their ability to control those genetic predispositions, is not the same. Do I believe that genetics changes a human beings abilities to do certain things..of course. For example, I believe leaders are born ad not made. Geneticly someppl just have that "it factor" that other ppl are willing to follow. No matter how much someone studies to become a leader..they never really are!
Off subject.
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11-14-2013, 09:55 PM #73Junior Member
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fair enough i think dogs are smarter and more adaptable than humans. Do a bit of research of the wild dog problems in australia.
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11-15-2013, 02:20 AM #74
Damn! How much tren these p-bulls on??? Lol
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11-15-2013, 03:57 AM #75
Absolutely beautiful animals. Like any other breed, socialization is key.
There are 3 loves in my life: my wife, my English mastiffs, and my weightlifting....Man, my wife gets really pissed when I get the 3 confused...
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11-15-2013, 04:05 AM #76
Attachment 146007
Older picture of my 2 young 'uns. I need to take more current pictures. The brindle male was 253# and the apricot female was rolling along @ 196# or so at their checkup last June. They both love to go for rides and check out the scenery, but even with the back seat of the truck folded up, they don't really have any room to sprawl.Last edited by almostgone; 11-15-2013 at 07:12 AM.
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11-15-2013, 04:18 AM #77
I'll add that generally, they don't wear prong collars around the house. This pic was taken in town, hence the prong collar on the male. He isn't aggressive, but he gets excited sometimes and a gentle tug on the leash will get his attention back to me and off of whatever he may be focused on.
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11-15-2013, 07:23 AM #78Originally Posted by almostgone
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11-15-2013, 07:43 AM #79There are 3 loves in my life: my wife, my English mastiffs, and my weightlifting....Man, my wife gets really pissed when I get the 3 confused...
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11-15-2013, 09:48 AM #80
You both make some strong points here, but I'm of the belief that upbringing, love, nuturing, etc. are greater than genetic predisposition. And while I know my own experience doesn't define the breed as a whole, add me to the list of people who had a pit for nearly 14 years he never once - and I quite literally mean NEVER ONCE - not for a single second - showed aggression toward any human.
To clarify the above, he wasn't aggressive toward animals either, but we did have an incident at a dog park once (which wasn't particularly aggression), so I won't make that same claim as it relates to other animals.
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